OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (17 Viewers)

[yankeesince59]

Also, keep in mind that there's been a lot of finger pointing about some states "cooking the books" with respect to their numbers.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Also, keep in mind that there's been a lot of finger pointing about some states "cooking the books" with respect to their numbers.

I know some people who think all of the US's numbers are umm bull... In their opinion it got wrapped in politics and who's going to get funded, and some places are describing COVID deaths as people who died with COVID not "from COVID", I know some who think that the numbers are way worse than what's being reported because of politics too. Interesting world we live in...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Also, keep in mind that there's been a lot of finger pointing about some states "cooking the books" with respect to their numbers.

I think this might go both ways, Both parties are using the virus for political gain.

Lets not act like one is better than the other in all this.

 

[riverman]

Can you please show me where Trump cut CDC funding? I'm not finding it. It was proposed is all i'm finding, which isn't a cut.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/

I cant find anything about any cuts being mad,e and if I remember correctly this was brought up about a month ago and was pointed out the cuts were only a proposal, butr was dismissed by the forum.

So i've searched and cant find a link on actual cuts. Care to share? Otherwise, I have to chalk that up to fake news. Sorry.

not all CDC funding....the office for pandemic research in Beijing started by Obama...
When President Trump took office in 2017, the White House’s National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense survived the transition intact. Its mission was the same as when I was asked to lead the office, established after the Ebola epidemic of 2014: to do everything possible within the vast powers and resources of the U.S. government to prepare for the next disease outbreak and prevent it from becoming an epidemic or pandemic.


One year later, I was mystified when the White House dissolved the office, leaving the country less prepared for pandemics like covid-19.
There are several other examples but this one is from March Washington Post
It’s impossible to assess the full impact of the 2018 decision to disband the White House office responsible for this work. Biological experts do remain in the White House and in our government. But it is clear that eliminating the office has contributed to the federal government’s sluggish domestic response. What’s especially concerning about the absence of this office today is that it was originally set up because a previous epidemic made the need for it quite clear.
Trumps decision also left many African nations with one doctor per 10000 patients for Ebola or any disease they faced....he basically had no interest in humanitarian aid that would take money from his wall funding

 

[kjironman1]

So is Social Distancing bullshit if one wears a mask?

Stop... Just Stop. You are not this stupid.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Stop... Just Stop. You are not this stupid.

People are denying that the protests didn't cause this spike.

Local governments approved and participated in these protests. Public health experts supported them going out in tens of thousands.

 

[e_blazer]

And I'm saying I bolded your flaw in my opinion. If the last two months have taught us anything, its very divisive as to what people think will work or not. And I do not believe for half a second you are going to get 100% of Americans to agree and then conform.

So now what do we do? Extend everything for the forseable future until a vaccine is created? That could be a year or more away.



Soo many threads on S2 of people doing the wrong/stupid thing, and yet so many here think that " If everyone just does the right thing..."

When the "right" thing is not a universal agreement, there will not be a universal movement.




I suppose I don't have as much confidence in people... but hey, cant blame me can ya?

Oh, I agree that getting people to do what they should is harder than herding cats. People like my wife and me, who are older and more at risk, are pretty easy to convince. Younger people, who generally are at lower personal risk and who want to have fun, not so much. Unfortunately, we’re a pretty entitled and selfish society, which is in part why America leads the world in infections. I fully expect that things are going to go to total crap in the next month or two. We’re going to see older and sicker folks pay the ultimate price for the younger folks’ fun. The response at the state government level may well be to shut things back down again, and those who just couldn’t be bothered to be responsible now are going to be to blame for the lockdown happening again.

 

[kjironman1]

People are denying that the protests didn't cause this spike.

The places it is spiking is not where the bulk of the protests were. But lets not address that. There were not huge protests in Florida, Texas or Arizona. Now New York and Seattle and Washington DC yep they had large protests. Guess what? Largest reduction in virus transmission and new cases.
Now as far as people going to the Florida beach and opening up restaurants in Houston and of course Arizona needed a trump rally YEP!

 

[kjironman1]

You know, even at my age I sometimes think "I've seen it all." But after seeing the video you linked, I obviously have not.

So nowadays, what motivates me the most to get out of bed every morning is to just to see what the hell is gonna happen next.

The funniest part is the people who don't catch the humor. TERHUNED they call it.

 

[wizenheimer]

Over $3000 for people with private insurance. I wonder which politicians have their fingers in that pie.

538

 

[Orion Bailey]

Oh, I agree that getting people to do what they should is harder than herding cats. People like my wife and me, who are older and more at risk, are pretty easy to convince. Younger people, who generally are at lower personal risk and who want to have fun, not so much. Unfortunately, we’re a pretty entitled and selfish society, which is in part why America leads the world in infections. I fully expect that things are going to go to total crap in the next month or two. We’re going to see older and sicker folks pay the ultimate price for the younger folks’ fun. The response at the state government level may well be to shut things back down again, and those who just couldn’t be bothered to be responsible now are going to be to blame for the lockdown happening again.

I agree. The problem I see is too many people using the protests as leverage. MEaning Ive seen ther Meme's and posts all over sayign basically this to the government.

" You lost the ability to shut us down a second time when you opened things up for protestors."

We are way too entitled, but now we are going to punish those who have done the right thing for the actions of those who didn't. To me. its all too late now. With all the protests and gatherings that just happen, im not sure how shutting things down now will do anything if we are still gathering en mass to protest.


For example.

Covid goes after those at political rallies
Covid sidesteps protestors.


This is basically how our government and much of America is going off of.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, but it is what it is now. To try to go back and did what we did now, I have no faith in at all. Not only because I think we just did a mass spread of it over the last few weeks, but because of American entitlement.

 

[kjironman1]

You know, even at my age I sometimes think "I've seen it all." But after seeing the video you linked, I obviously have not.

So nowadays, what motivates me the most to get out of bed every morning is to just to see what the hell is gonna happen next.

The ladies from Chaquita bananas....

 

[kjironman1]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The places it is spiking is not where the bulk of the protests were. But lets not address that. There were not huge protests in Florida, Texas or Arizona. Now New York and Seattle and Washington DC yep they had large protests. Guess what? Largest reduction in virus transmission and new cases.
Now as far as people going to the Florida beach and opening up restaurants in Houston and of course Arizona needed a trump rally YEP!

The majority of cases in Florida are in Miami/Broward county. Lots of protests there.

Texas? Mostly in Houston. HUGE 60k protests there.

Spiking again all over California.

 

[kjironman1]

The smell of the Flowers covers up the smell of the bullshit!

 

[yankeesince59]

I know some people who think all of the US's numbers are umm bull... In their opinion it got wrapped in politics and who's going to get funded, and some places are describing COVID deaths as people who died with COVID not "from COVID", I know some who think that the numbers are way worse than what's being reported because of politics too. Interesting world we live in...

I think it's safe to say that there are no states who are OVER-REPORTING their cases.

 

[Minstrel]

Spiking again all over California.

Almost entirely in Southern California, where people keep rushing to the beach. Some increase in Northern California, but nowhere near the spikes that LA and the surrounding counties are seeing.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Almost entirely in Southern California, where people keep rushing to the beach. Some increase in Northern California, but nowhere near the spikes that LA and the surrounding counties are seeing.

I live here.

People are not "rushing to the beach". People are coming out to the beach, but no where in the numbers that protestors brought.

 

[yankeesince59]

The places it is spiking is not where the bulk of the protests were. But lets not address that. There were not huge protests in Florida, Texas or Arizona. Now New York and Seattle and Washington DC yep they had large protests. Guess what? Largest reduction in virus transmission and new cases.
Now as far as people going to the Florida beach and opening up restaurants in Houston and of course Arizona needed a trump rally YEP!

Thank you.

 

[wizenheimer]

People are denying that the protests didn't cause this spike.
.

who is denying it?

common sense says it's contributing....how much is open to debate but I haven't seen a bit of direct evidence proving it out

but the truth is you, and people of your political persuasion, are working overtime to try and imply the protests are the main drivers of the surges. You've made about 20 posts to this forum making that argument. I have not seen any direct evidence making the case, one way of the other; just some loose numbers that could be skewed.

but the real question is what fucking difference does it make? Either way, it shows that stay-at-home and social distancing policies are extremely valuable; and that masks are essential to mitigating spread and protecting people. Those are the important points that all political positions should take away from this. But one side of the spectrum seems stuck into arguing against that common sense because the gawddamn asshole in the white house won't accept reality

 

[Minstrel]

I live here.

People are not "rushing to the beach".

Yes, they are. There have been plenty of reports about it on the news. It was especially bad on Memorial Day and apparently the state government is bracing for yet another wave on the Fourth of July.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

who is denying it?

common sense says it's contributing....how much is open to debate but I haven't seen a bit of direct evidence proving it out

but the truth is you, and people of your political persuasion, are working overtime to try and imply the protests are the main drivers of the surges. You've made about 20 posts to this forum making that argument. I have not seen any direct evidence making the case, one way of the other; just some loose numbers that could be skewed.

but the real question is what fucking difference does it make? Either way, it shows that stay-at-home and social distancing policies are extremely valuable; and that masks are essential to mitigating spread and protecting people. Those are the important points that all political positions should take away from this. But one side of the spectrum seems stuck into arguing against that common sense because the gawddamn asshole in the white house won't accept reality

When public health officials give their blessing to go out and protest and get in massive crowds, its a problem.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think it's safe to say that there are no states who are OVER-REPORTING their cases.

Who knows. I wouldn't be all that incredibly surprised either way. I just use the "official" numbers cause that's what we have, but with all the different "groups" with their fingers in it and politics involved, it wouldn't surprise me at all if our numbers are not all that legit.

 

[wizenheimer]

The places it is spiking is not where the bulk of the protests were. But lets not address that. There were not huge protests in Florida, Texas or Arizona. Now New York and Seattle and Washington DC yep they had large protests. Guess what? Largest reduction in virus transmission and new cases.
Now as far as people going to the Florida beach and opening up restaurants in Houston and of course Arizona needed a trump rally YEP!

exactly....and thanks for injecting some needed perspective

there are vested political interests that are trying to blame the protests for the surges. As I've said before, commons sense says those protests are contributing. But so far there's plenty of evidence that the main drivers of the surges revolve around two primary factors: one is the reopening policies; the other is people simply thinking the worst was over and then going out and being stupid

 

[kjironman1]

The majority of cases in Florida are in Miami/Broward county. Lots of protests there.

Texas? Mostly in Houston. HUGE 60k protests there.

Spiking again all over California.

One protest in Houston is gonna make the entire state of Texas spike? Pretty sure the problem in Florida is and has always been the beaches.
Ca numbers are down to 15% from around 30% weekly
Arizona is at 44%
Florida is statewide at 35.7%
Texas is at 31.6%
Yep. The three largest in the country.
Sorry but your narrative isn't holding corona....

 

[wizenheimer]

When public health officials give their blessing to go out and protest and get in massive crowds, its a problem.

which public health officials encouraged protests without warning of possible consequences? I know Fauci was deeply concerned about it. Even Kate Brown warned of the potential consequences

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yes, they are. There have been plenty of reports about it on the news. It was especially bad on Memorial Day and apparently the state government is bracing for yet another wave on the Fourth of July.

This was on the Sunday of Memorial Day Weekend right by the Manhattan Beach pier. Usually very busy.

About 1pm.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

exactly....and thanks for injecting some needed perspective

there are vested political interests that are trying to blame the protests for the surges. As I've said before, commons sense says those protests are contributing. But so far there's plenty of evidence that the main drivers of the surges revolve around two primary factors: one is the reopening policies; the other is people simply thinking the worst was over and then going out and being stupid

Is there not a vested political interest in saying 'republican' reopening policies are the problem too? I'm not really disagreeing with you btw, just saying there's a lot of political interest right now. This is a shame because a global pandemic, and all that's going, and people's safety, and health whether physical or mental shouldn't be in the hands of politicians and groups with money to gain (cause it goes beyond just politics), but it is.

 

[Minstrel]

This was on the Sunday of Memorial Day Weekend right by the Manhattan Beach pier. Usually very busy.

About 1pm.

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Throngs of people, many without masks, pack Venice Beach over Memorial Day weekend

Californians cooped up for months amid stay-at-home orders during the coronavirus outbreak crowded beaches, parks and trails over the Memorial Day weekend, pushing the limits of social distancing.

In Los Angeles County, where more than 46,000 coronavirus infections have been reported and more than 2,100 COVID-19 deaths have been tallied, health officials worried the holiday weekend would be a big test.

Bike paths and beach parking lots reopened, joining trails, parks and golf courses as places to enjoy the sun-soaked weather.

Though some areas seemed problem-free, others were quickly overrun. Crowds packed the Venice Beach boardwalk, and very few people were seen wearing masks in images shared on social media.


Officials said a failure to follow rules, including the prohibition of sunbathing at Venice Beach and other public health violations, has been an ongoing problem.

“The issues this weekend validate our decision to keep our county parking lots at Venice Beach closed,” said Nicole Mooradian, L.A. County’s Department of Beaches and Harbors public information officer.

As restrictions aimed to stem the spread of COVID-19 are eased across California, authorities continue to warn that practices such as mask-wearing and social distancing are the best defense against a “second wave” of infections. The state is nearing 100,000 coronavirus infections and is approaching 4,000 related deaths.

Elsewhere in Southern California, crowds forced the closure of a popular hiking destination.

The Los Angeles County Department of Parks and Recreation closed Eaton Canyon in Pasadena on Sunday after throngs of hikers descended on the area.

Officials initially said the area would be shuttered for the remainder of the Memorial Day weekend “due to overwhelming crowds that were not following the COVID-19 public health requirements.” But on Tuesday, officials extended the order for the rest of the month.


Warm conditions this week are expected to lure more people outdoors, particularly to the shore.

During the three-day holiday, the Venice Beach boardwalk mirrored similar scenes in other beach towns, including Ocean City, Md., and Gulf Shores, Ala.

The Los Angeles Police Department did not have information about whether citations were issued in Venice. The Department of Beaches and Harbors doesn’t have the authority to write tickets.

It’s too early to tell whether beachgoers will see any changes after such a busy weekend, Mooradian said. For now, there have been no changes to the newly lifted restrictions.


“We’re still assessing what worked and what didn’t over the holiday weekend,” she said.​

So, yeah, it's nice that you found a time and a place to take a picture of no crowds, but that's not representative.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

which public health officials encouraged protests without warning of possible consequences? I know Fauci was deeply concerned about it. Even Kate Brown warned of the potential consequences

Oh, they warned to "self quarantine". They should have mandated people stay the fuck home.