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stampedehero said:
Tiny Tim's versions of anything audible could also be included in that category. He was also the ultimate weirdo flake.
Most worthless entertainer award goes to Monti Rock the 3rd. Remember Soupy Sales? Now, I'm dating myself.
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Ahh, Black Tooth and White Fang" puppets, and Fritos and Soup with Soupy Sales on Saturday.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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what i read some where is that 85% of the people that tested positive had been wearing mask. I think, like my wife and I when at hoe or in our yard we dont wear mask, when in stores and such we do.
Ill be honest though, there have been occasions where we visit our kids and we took them off and sat apart outside.
 
Hoopguru said:
what i read some where is that 85% of the people that tested positive had been wearing mask. I think, like my wife and I when at hoe or in our yard we dont wear mask, when in stores and such we do.
Ill be honest though, there have been occasions where we visit our kids and we took them off and sat apart outside.
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The study that was referred to was not on the effectiveness of wearing a mask, but on the behavior of some of the people that were infected. Of those, 85% said that they wore the mask some-time, but it does not indicate how often it was and if everyone they were in contact with also wore masks.

So, if a household of 5 people are all infected, 4 of them wore masks when outside and one not - and they all got infected because of that 5th one - we would still have a 80% of infected people wore masks. So, obviously, this is a tainted statistic.

The proper study would have been to look at a population of people that always wear masks or interact only with people that always wear masks and compare those to a group that never does - and compare the infection rates among them.

Wearing a mask will not protect you if you interact with people that do not in an unprotected manner. It's that simple.

Basically, it is the president trying to float his "each to his own" policy vs. the decent idea that people are responsible for each other and should work to benefit others, not just themselves.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...lol...again, no he wasn't. One more time, the term "grilling" came from a Fox News tweet.

Blitzer politely asked valid questions...Pelosi was rude, and condescending.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/politics/nancy-pelosi-wolf-blitzer-stimulus/index.html
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I agree Pelosi was snarky and defensive

what I don't agree with is the idiotic idea that if Pelosi had agreed with the white house proposal there would be a stimulus bill passed...which was the explicit thrust of Blitzer's questions.

the roadblock is McConnell and the Senate R's, not Pelosi. The D's passed their version in mid-May. For fuck sakes that was 5 months ago. The white house didn't start serious negotiating till mid-late September, and during negotiations, trump cancelled the talks. And the Senate hasn't had a single hearing on the House proposal, but instead has just started putting together a bill less than 1/3rd the amount of what the House and the white house are negotiating

but yeah, this is all on Pelosi
 
wizenheimer said:
I agree Pelosi was snarky and defensive

what I don't agree with is the idiotic idea that if Pelosi had agreed with the white house proposal there would be a stimulus bill passed...which was the explicit thrust of Blitzer's questions.

the roadblock is McConnell and the Senate R's, not Pelosi. The D's passed their version in mid-May. For fuck sakes that was 5 months ago. The white house didn't start serious negotiating till mid-late September, and during negotiations, trump cancelled the talks. And the Senate hasn't had a single hearing on the House proposal, but instead has just started putting together a bill less than 1/3rd the amount of what the House and the white house are negotiating

but yeah, this is all on Pelosi
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Wait a minute, back up... and reread the thread we're discussing...we're talking about 2 entirely different things.

And "I agree Pelosi was snarky and defensive". Was all you had to say.

... how Pelosi is/was handling the stimulus deal was never part of the discussion until you made it one...the ONLY thing that I referenced was how she behaved when asked valid and simple questions, period.

...and yes, the rude and condescending manner in which she responded to simple questions was "all on Pelosi". She could have easily answered Blitzer's queries in a civilized manner but instead, she flew off the handle. Like I said earlier, I'm no fan of hers, but I've never seen her behave that way.

...again, Blitzer, though I think he's a joke, was polite while Pelosi was not. How the stimulus package is being handled is a different topic and I agree that it has been botched badly.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Wait a minute, back up... and reread the thread we're discussing...we're talking about 2 entirely different things.

And "I agree Pelosi was snarky and defensive". Was all you had to say.

... how Pelosi is/was handling the stimulus deal was never part of the discussion until you made it one...the ONLY thing that I referenced was how she behaved when asked valid and simple questions, period.

...and yes, the rude and condescending manner in which she responded to simple questions was "all on Pelosi". She could have easily answered Blitzer's queries in a civilized manner but instead, she flew off the handle. Like I said earlier, I'm no fan of hers, but I've never seen her behave that way.

...again, Blitzer, though I think he's a joke, was polite while Pelosi was not. How the stimulus package is being handled is a different topic and I agree that it has been botched badly.
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fair enough

but IMO here's where the departure is and it's some reason for why Pelosi slammed Blitzer for not knowing the process of the negotiation. Pelosi was talking to the white house, Mnuchin, and in order to make a deal she and the D's would have to make substantive concessions. That's certain, especially judging by the first stimulus.

but that wouldn't be the end of it: she and the D's would then have to make another set of concessions to the Senate R's and going by what McConnell is saying and doing, that round of concessions would be massive. And it seems apparent that the Senate won't be following any playbook out of the white house. Why would Pelosi agree to the first round of concessions without knowing what the 2nd round of concessions would have to be? Right now, the ball is in the senate's court. They need to come up with their own bill so the D's can begin to see if the gap is even bridgeable. My guess is it won't be unless the D's are desperate for a deal, and they shouldn't be if their priorities are gutted
 
wizenheimer said:
fair enough

but IMO here's where the departure is and it's some reason for why Pelosi slammed Blitzer for not knowing the process of the negotiation. Pelosi was talking to the white house, Mnuchin, and in order to make a deal she and the D's would have to make substantive concessions. That's certain, especially judging by the first stimulus.

but that wouldn't be the end of it: she and the D's would then have to make another set of concessions to the Senate R's and going by what McConnell is saying and doing, that round of concessions would be massive. And it seems apparent that the Senate won't be following any playbook out of the white house. Why would Pelosi agree to the first round of concessions without knowing what the 2nd round of concessions would have to be? Right now, the ball is in the senate's court. They need to come up with their own bill so the D's can begin to see if the gap is even bridgeable. My guess is it won't be unless the D's are desperate for a deal, and they shouldn't be if their priorities are gutted
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As you said, "fair enough"... personally, I think McConnell and Pelosi both need to go away, just way too much bias and hatred and as I've said before "they can't agree on the color of shit".

There really needs to be "term limits" in the House and Senate...and while we're at it, SC appointees as well. No offense to older folks (because I are one) but why do we allow these people who are in their 80's to decide policy and law? ...No, it's time for some "new blood".
 
Can't wait to see how this goes!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...ation-unveils-cvs-walgreens-vaccine-deal.html

Trump administration announces deal with CVS and Walgreens to administer coronavirus vaccine to seniors in long-term care

KEY POINTS
  • The Department of Health and Human Services on Friday announced a deal with CVS Health and Walgreens to administer coronavirus vaccines to the elderly and staff in long-term care facilities.
  • The vaccine will be free, and CVS and Walgreens will schedule and coordinate on-site clinic dates directly with each facility, HHS said.
  • The announcement comes the same day states must submit their draft plans to the federal government on how they will distribute a coronavirus vaccine if and when one is approved for public use.

 
This is quite possibly the saddest thing i can listen to today. The problem is it's so very true. The rest of the world calls us STUPID! "Someone who obviously received his education in AMERICA!
This is what happens when you spend more money on the policing than you do on education. Lets not even speak about military.
 
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