CP3's broken hand

[dviss1]

Seriously dude, read those two statements and tell me where I've got it wrong.

You said, "It wouldn't be called white privilege if all whites didn't experience it."

"All whites" = all members of each race

"Experience it" = possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race.

Where am I getting it wrong?

What you're getting wrong is simply not understanding what white privileges. I tried to explain it to you before but you continue to refuse to let any of what I say sink in.

Again:

When a racist employer sees:

Damany Iqwé

next to

Nathaniel Bishop

and chooses you over me because of that, you've experienced White Privilege without even knowing you did.

This happens with jobs, housing etc.

I'm curious as to why you believe that all white people (at least those with "normal" names) wouldn't experience this privilege.

 

[dviss1]

Is that white privilege or racism towards black people?

It's both. You are experiencing not being discriminated against because you are white. White Privilege is a symptom of racism.

 

[Binx]

Had no idea Paul was such a dirty player. Screw him. Don't feel sorry for him at all.

 

[dviss1]

HAHAHAHAH OMG THIS THREAD!!

LOL ROUND 3 FIGHT!


DING!

Some people just can't take it when the conversations (we DESPERATELY need to have) are had.

What others don't understand is that it's true for white people that they can just check out of the conversation and not give a shit. It's a privilege that z Nate just prescribed above. But there are some of those who cannot.

Nate should really look up Jane Lewis and blue eyed/brown eyed experiment.

 

[Natebishop3]

What you're getting wrong is simply not understanding what white privileges. I tried to explain it to you before but you continue to refuse to let any of what I say sink in.

Again:

When a racist employer sees:

Damany Iqwé

next to

Nathaniel Bishop

and chooses you over me because of that, you've experienced White Privilege without even knowing you did.

This happens with jobs, housing etc.

I'm curious as to why you believe that all white people (at least those with "normal" names) wouldn't experience this privilege.

I understand what white privilege is. The issue isn't a hypothetical situation where I'm beating out some other hypothetical person for a hypothetical job. The issue is you assuming that ALL white people have had this situation play out. You don't know that, and the fact that you don't understand that attributing this to ALL white people is racist, is the problem.

I'm sure there are millions of white people with names other than what you consider to be "normal" names. Do those people experience white privilege?

 

[Schilly]

It's both. You are experiencing not being discriminated against because you are white. White Privilege is a symptom of racism.

It's kinda like assuming most white people are racist because they don't know what it's like to grow up black in america. Neither is conducive to ending racism in the world.

 

[dviss1]

I'll give you an example. My father grew up in poverty. His family lived in a tent in a logging camp just outside an Indian Reservation in California. This was in the 1950's. He went to school at the reservation, the only white kid in the school. He had to learn to fight quickly just to earn enough respect to not get his ass kicked everyday. There is no privilege in that, nobody was saying "hey you are white here's your free hand out in life". When he was 16 he lied about his age so he could get a job as a butcher. He caught his hand in a bandsaw and hacked the hell out of it. When they took him to the DR they found out his age and he was fired... Nobody cared if he was white.

White Privilege doesn't mean you get a free hand in life. It simply means that you don't have to experience the day-to-day things that people of color do. I'm not understanding why this is so hard for people to wrap their heads around

I'm sorry for what your dad experienced on the res. That's actually the same thing in reverse that I'm talking about. Hate creates more hate. I will ask however, did your dad get to move away from the reservation? Many of the natives that have been banished there do not get to and their school system sucks so there is no upward mobility.

 

[dviss1]

It's kinda like assuming most white people are racist because they don't know what it's like to grow up black in america. Neither is conducive to ending racism in the world.

Not at all. Just because you experience the privilege of being white doesn't mean that you're racist. I know plenty of white people to understand this.

I understand what white privilege is. The issue isn't a hypothetical situation where I'm beating out some other hypothetical person for a hypothetical job. The issue is you assuming that ALL white people have had this situation play out. You don't know that, and the fact that you don't understand that attributing this to ALL white people is racist, is the problem.

I'm sure there are millions of white people with names other than what you consider to be "normal" names. Do those people experience white privilege?

I don't think you have a clue of what White Privilege is. Your posts bear this out. Again, you are never redlined simply because of your name. If you don't understand that as a privilege then I don't really know what to say... you will never get it...

 

[dviss1]

This isn't going to change his opinion. Your dad was white, therefor he benefited from white privilege. That point is honestly neither here nor there. The point isn't whether white privilege exists. Nobody is saying that white privilege doesn't exist. The point is that Dviss presumes to know the story of every single white person in America. Hell, he assumes that everyone on this board is a white man. I'm tired of the hypocritical nature of his posting. He's the first person to jump on you if you post something that he perceives to be racism, but then he quickly turns around and spews this crap about white privilege on anyone that disagrees with him.

You really type some dumb shit sometimes.

 

[blue32]

Technical Foul. DVISS. -- Attack the post not the poster.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The thing about the concept of white privilege is that it's almost impossible for those experiencing it to perceive it. It almost by definition HAS to be identified by someone who is not white. I would venture to assume that the term was created by someone who was not white. Therefore, we white people are at a natural disadvantage in attempting to even understand the concept of white privilege, let alone define or identify it, since it essentially exists outside of our sphere of experience. What non-whites call "white privilege", whites simply call "life".

It's like trying to explain pitch to someone who is tone deaf. How can they understand the difference between an F sharp and a B flat if all tones are essentially the same to them?

 

[Natebishop3]

You really type some dumb shit sometimes.

And while you're not sitting next to me don't act like you're not a white man.

I mean.... come ON dude. This was in THIS thread.

 

[dviss1]

I understand what white privilege is. The issue isn't a hypothetical situation where I'm beating out some other hypothetical person for a hypothetical job. The issue is you assuming that ALL white people have had this situation play out. You don't know that, and the fact that you don't understand that attributing this to ALL white people is racist, is the problem.

I'm sure there are millions of white people with names other than what you consider to be "normal" names. Do those people experience white privilege?

When you told Yuyza1 above to not click on the thread, you essentially told him to do something in real life that we cannot do.

In real life when "race issues" happen (blacks bring to light mistreatment they experience) white people (ALL of them) can simply not click on the thread and ignore them.

We do not have that privilege.

 

[dviss1]

I mean.... come ON dude. This was in THIS thread.

That is your stupid interpretation not mine. Passing it off as fact is very Trump like.

Edit: thought this was the post referring to your racism interpretation. Which was nowhere near the realm of reality.

 

[Schilly]

So then White privilege is a false term since it refers to the basic right that all people SHOULD be entitled to. Kinda like when bigots want to call equal rights for homosexual people "Special rights". Got it.

 

[dviss1]

I mean.... come ON dude. This was in THIS thread.

Schilly has admitted to being white so...

 

[dviss1]

So then White privilege is a false term since it refers to the basic right that all people SHOULD be entitled to. Kinda like when bigots want to call equal rights for homosexual people "Special rights". Got it.

Wrong.

 

[Natebishop3]

When you told Yuyza1 above to not click on the thread, you essentially told him to do something in real life that we cannot do.

In real life when "race issues" happen (blacks bring to light mistreatment they experience) white people (ALL of them) can simply not click on the thread and ignore them.

We do not have that privilege.

Listen man, I'm not debating that white privilege exists. You don't seem to understand that. I'm talking about YOUR behavior. You make racist comments about white people all the time, and then you try to hide behind the definition of white privilege. If you don't see that, fine, but stop being the PC Police because you're one of the worst violators of your own moral code.

 

[Elton]

Had Meyers been able to play, Chris Paul, knowing of Meyers' injury, would have purposely ripped down on Meyers injured arm/shoulder with one arm, while punching him in the nuts with the other, then feigned being knocked to the ground.

That's just how Chris Paul roles. @norespect

Thing about CP is that if he's in the junkyard, he's always got a puncher's chance.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So then White privilege is a false term since it refers to the basic right that all people SHOULD be entitled to. Kinda like when bigots want to call equal rights for homosexual people "Special rights". Got it.

Don't know about it being a false term, but I'd agree with the rest of it. We also have male privilege and straight privilege and gender-identity privilege, because we benefit from being straight males whose brains and genitals match. Lucky us.

 

[blue32]

Oh, a solid haymaker from Nate. Let's see if DVISS can recover. Both fighters are looking rather lathered up and breathing heavy. This fight MAY GO THE DISTANCE!

 

[dviss1]

Listen man, I'm not debating that white privilege exists. You don't seem to understand that. I'm talking about YOUR behavior. You make racist comments about white people all the time, and then you try to hide behind the definition of white privilege. If you don't see that, fine, but stop being the PC Police because you're one of the worst violators of your own moral code.

As I stated before you have a skewed view of what racist means. Your interpretation above was sophomoric at best.

 

[blue32]

A retaliatory jab jab counter from Dviss!

 

[dviss1]

Listen man, I'm not debating that white privilege exists. You don't seem to understand that. I'm talking about YOUR behavior. You make racist comments about white people all the time, and then you try to hide behind the definition of white privilege. If you don't see that, fine, but stop being the PC Police because you're one of the worst violators of your own moral code.

If it does exist like you say ALL of you experience it. And yes it is as simple as the stop and frisk numbers. Let me post them for you. I posted numbers from 2013 because that's when stop and frisk was in full swing:

• In 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 191,558 times.
  169,252 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  104,958 were black (56 percent).
  55,191 were Latino (29 percent).
  20,877 were white (11 percent).

The black people much more often than white people had their 4th amendment rights trampled on simply because they were black. 88% of them were completely innocent.

 

[Natebishop3]

As I stated before you have a skewed view of what racist means. Your interpretation above was sophomoric at best.

I was literally quoting to you the first definition of racism when you go to Google.

Give it a try. It's not my view of what racism means. It is quite literally an actual definition of the word.

 

[dviss1]

A retaliatory jab jab counter from Dviss!

Can you replace Barrett too!?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If it does exist like you say ALL of you experience it. And yes it is as simple as the stop and frisk numbers. Let me post them for you. I posted numbers from 2013 because that's when stop and frisk was in full swing:

• In 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 191,558 times.
  169,252 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  104,958 were black (56 percent).
  55,191 were Latino (29 percent).
  20,877 were white (11 percent).

The black people much more often than white people had their 4th amendment rights trampled on simply because they were black. 88% of them were completely innocent.

Not that it matters to your point, but do you have a demographic breakdown of the 22,306 people who were not totally innocent?

 

[dviss1]

I was literally quoting to you the first definition of racism when you go to Google.

Give it a try. It's not my view of what racism means. It is quite literally an actual definition of the word.

That's where you screwed up. Letting a book define racism is a mistake. Look up definitions for white and black. White means honest? Black means evil?

 

[Natebishop3]

If it does exist like you say ALL of you experience it. And yes it is as simple as the stop and frisk numbers. Let me post them for you. I posted numbers from 2013 because that's when stop and frisk was in full swing:

• In 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 191,558 times.
  169,252 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  104,958 were black (56 percent).
  55,191 were Latino (29 percent).
  20,877 were white (11 percent).

The black people much more often than white people had their 4th amendment rights trampled on simply because they were black. 88% of them were completely innocent.

Again.... what does this have to do with your behavior?

We're not debating the existence of racism. We're not debating the existence of white privilege for some people. We're talking about you making assumptions about people on this forum about their race and about their lives based on their race.

 

[dviss1]

Not that it matters to your point, but do you have a demographic breakdown of the 22,306 people who were not totally innocent?

I don't. But who cares? If you search over 190K people you're going to find something. The bad thing is that you only found something 11% of the time. Sounds to me like a waste of police resources.