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Dame Fortune is a fickle gipsy,
And always blind, and often tipsy;
Sometimes for years and years together,
He'll bless you with the sunniest weather,
Bestowing honour, pudding, pence,
You can't imagine why or whence;
Then in a moment Presto, pass!
Your joys are withered like the grass

-Winthrop Mackworth Praed
 
Predator said:
Why didn’t management notice what *some* of us *dumb* forum members noticed, and say, “yeah, we can’t do this” and trade Dame *years* ago? People are completely letting Joe off the hook here. If he was saying stuff to keep the star happy, knowing good and well he couldn’t do it, WHY NOT TRADE DAME? Just unbelievably bad management.
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Hey Vulcans... thanks for hiring me! For my first act as GM I'm going to trade your cash cow and bring on a complete shit storm from the fan base as we begin a long painful rebuild.

For Dame to leave, it was always going to have to be per his request. While observers here and elsewhere may have noticed the obvious, we're not trying to please ownership and keep our GM job. I don't think I'm letting Joe off the hook, more I recognized he was in a catch 22 situation with only really tough choices. I doubt he could have survived moving Dame in a trade he wasn't down with. Geez the fanboys here are pissed off as is, they'd have had a lot more company if Dame was blindsided instead of acting like an entitled prick who can't wait to leave.

The road the franchise is now finally on is going to be rough for a while. I'm absolutely sure some here will not have the patience for it and early on will say their struggles are because of just unbelievably bad management. Personally I'm just glad they're finally going in a direction that has some hope.

STOMP
 
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BassPlaya said:
Thread page predictions? Does this thread get to 250 pages?
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With the way this is gonna drag out for months and we all come up with wildly speculative trade rumors to argue about I could see this going past 300 easy.
 
cdub503 said:
I think he genuinely thought he could get a trade done, but when other teams smelled blood in the water with dame being unhappy the price for help got exponentially more expensive not to mention we didnt really have the most coveted of assets either outside of #3 and sharpe, and we all know we werent going to give up sharpe. So if anything he probably did a decent job at managing this shit show thus far by not giving away everything but the kitchen sink for a possible upgrade, that again also didnt guarantee dame to stay anyways....
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Part of the premise was “make the impossible happen” and “keep your stars happy by telling them what they want to hear”.

But let’s be realistic. Did Joe honestly think he would be able to trade 3 or 7 straight up for a star?

That’s completely ridiculous on a number of levels, beginning with..

1) Salary matching
2) Trading a PROVEN talent for an UNPROVEN draft pick means you’re going to have to sweeten the pot. That’s just how it is.

As for your statement about the price increasing. Dame didn’t ask out last year. Joe just didn’t want to trade Sharpe/#7. Which is fine. But that’s one point where he should’ve noticed “yeah, I’m not going to be able to get this done”.

I agree with the end of your post though.

I didn’t say Joe did a bad job in the fact that he didn’t sell the farm for a meaningful upgrade. I said he did a bad job when he *knew* he wasn’t going to get a meaningful upgrade for our trash, and decided to keep Dame anyway.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Because without a trade request from Dame, 80% of the fanbase turns on him immediately and the team knows it. Look at how much the support the team got now because Dame was the one who asked out. This is a PR war and neither side wanted to be the bad guy.
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Part of your job as GM isn’t “winning the PR battle” but winning the battle to make your team better… that’s why they get paid.

Which, by the way, pretty easy to turn the fan base to the other side by saying, “Look, Dame and I had a conversation. It was clear we couldn’t put a winner around him, so we mutually agreed that it was best to move on and get the best return possible. Hopefully Dame is able to finish out his career here.”

Then Dame at his introductory presser at the other time reiterates that statement. Has nothing but glowing things to say about PDX. PR battle won + we get the “godfather haul” that we should’ve.
 
Dame stuck Portland with a 5yr 160m Jerami Grant max contract. It has taken me awhile to figure out why so many fans dislike Lillard all of a sudden.
 
STOMP said:
Hey Vulcans... thanks for hiring me! For my first act as GM I'm going to trade your cash cow and bring on a complete shit storm from the fan base as we begin a long painful rebuild.

For Dame to leave, it was always going to have to be per his request. While observers here and elsewhere may have noticed the obvious, we're not trying to please ownership and keep our GM job. I don't think I'm letting Joe off the hook, more I recognized he was in a catch 22 situation with only really tough choices. I doubt he could have survived moving Dame in a trade he wasn't down with. Geez the fanboys here are pissed off as is, they'd have had a lot more company if Dame was blindsided instead of acting like an entitled prick who can't wait to leave.

The road the franchise is now finally on is going to be rough for a while. I'm absolutely sure some here will not have the patience for it and early on will say their struggles are because of just unbelievably bad management. Personally I'm just glad they're finally going in a direction that has some hope.

STOMP
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And I’ll just say that’s why our management is completely negligent. If the only way for him to leave was VIA his request is complete insanity.

They knew his expectations. If they couldn’t meet that, they should’ve traded him before he requested out. Because that would inevitably lower his value. Even the dumbest person on Earth could see that as soon as he “requested out” we weren’t going to get the value we wanted, even if his list had 5 teams on it.

Rest of the post I mostly agree with.

Also - I’m sure if Joe was actually honest with Dame and said “Look, we can’t get it done” Dame would’ve agreed and wouldn’t have been blindsided. As I previously mentioned, it would’ve been an easy opportunity to say it was a mutual decision after an open and honest conversation.
 
Predator said:
Part of your job as GM isn’t “winning the PR battle” but winning the battle to make your team better… that’s why they get paid.

Which, by the way, pretty easy to turn the fan base to the other side by saying, “Look, Dame and I had a conversation. It was clear we couldn’t put a winner around him, so we mutually agreed that it was best to move on and get the best return possible. Hopefully Dame is able to finish out his career here.”

Then Dame at his introductory presser at the other time reiterates that statement. Has nothing but glowing things to say about PDX. PR battle won + we get the “godfather haul” that we should’ve.
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I laughed. This was funny.
 
Whyachi said:
they should rename this thread the "Lillard cage match". Because there's several pages of people fighting with each other. The "Cole Miner's Dame match" ??
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They stick Dame on the end of a pole in one of the corners and the first poster to get him can use him to club the poster with whom they're feuding. I like it.

Better than a Portland Cage Match -- the first one to escape Portland via trade is the winner.
 
Predator said:
Part of the premise was “make the impossible happen” and “keep your stars happy by telling them what they want to hear”.

But let’s be realistic. Did Joe honestly think he would be able to trade 3 or 7 straight up for a star?

That’s completely ridiculous on a number of levels, beginning with..

1) Salary matching
2) Trading a PROVEN talent for an UNPROVEN draft pick means you’re going to have to sweeten the pot. That’s just how it is.

As for your statement about the price increasing. Dame didn’t ask out last year. Joe just didn’t want to trade Sharpe/#7. Which is fine. But that’s one point where he should’ve noticed “yeah, I’m not going to be able to get this done”.

I agree with the end of your post though.

I didn’t say Joe did a bad job in the fact that he didn’t sell the farm for a meaningful upgrade. I said he did a bad job when he *knew* he wasn’t going to get a meaningful upgrade for our trash, and decided to keep Dame anyway.
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I think that’s an assumption that he or anyone knew last year or even this year that he wasn’t going to get it done. Teams give up quality players depending on how their seasons go all the time. Either by trade requests, change of personnel, new draftees whatever. I think you can claim you foresaw all this or maybe a version of this. But last I heard no one’s actually clairvoyant.
 
wizenheimer said:
you do understand there really isn't much difference between 5 pages of 20 posts, 4 pages of 25 posts, 2 pages of 50 posts, or 1 page of 100 posts.

100 posts is still 100 posts
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Yes, and I did the math it takes 2.3 seconds to click next page......now you have to do that 300 times where as I will only do it what....50? You do the math homie, I'm busy, so I just saved myself what 5 minutes? I'm smarter than I look FAMS.
 
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How about we all argue about what an asshole I am. Big or biggest?
 
Whyachi said:
Dame stuck Portland with a 5yr 160m Jerami Grant max contract. It has taken me awhile to figure out why so many fans dislike Lillard all of a sudden.
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Dame didn’t stick Portland with anything. The Monday before free agency it was wildly reported he asked for a trade then Cronin asked for a few more days.

Portland took it upon themselves to signed Grant full well knowing Dame could ask out.

Stop pushing this silly narrative
 
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