Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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Idog1976 said:
If Miami is the only option (very possible this summer) than that’s exactly what we would get. Perhaps I should have said pennies for the Dolla.
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Just to clarify, the only way that Miami would be the only choice, is if Mr. Lillard was about to become a FA. He's under contract, therefore there are many options.
 
Nobody has picked up the report from a Miami writer that there’s rumblings Portland doesn’t plan on trading dame at all?

Slackin
 
I was listening to Vecenie and it's funny because I was in the middle of constructing this trade while he started discussing this possibility. Would you do it? Fuck ton of picks.

Edit - nevermind.... Philly doesn't own hardly any of their picks. I think this is the best they can do.

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Natebishop3 said:
I was listening to Vecenie and it's funny because I was in the middle of constructing this trade while he started discussing this possibility. Would you do it? Fuck ton of picks.

Edit - nevermind.... Philly doesn't own hardly any of their picks. I think this is the best they can do.

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Meh. A few issues.

1) I think this pushes Portland into the Tax. Maybe Korkmaz goes to Clippers?
2) I don't think this is any better than the best Miami can do. This would at least give Portland leverage to get more out of Miami.
3) Nets are already somewhat small. You have them trading three of their biggest players for a bunch of guards. I don' think they sign off on this.


Natebishop3 said:
Yeah...... depressing.

They ran through every single team. And these guys are extremely unbiased.
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For real? Or Sarcasm?
 
BassPlaya said:
Just to clarify, the only way that Miami would be the only choice, is if Mr. Lillard was about to become a FA. He's under contract, therefore there are many options.
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Um...duh? Are you being willfully obtuse? Nobody is suggesting we intentionally turn down great value deals for Dame and wait for mid-season or the end of next season to trade Dame. Well, except maybe Tykendo. Almost everyone else is suggesting that we wait until we get proper value to trade Dame, with a few seeming to suggest that we hurry things up to protect the locker room and/or to speed up Scoot's development. Ergo, the only reason we would wait to trade Dame, is if we weren't getting proper value. Thus flowing from that, I said "Sure but which matters more, a partial loss of development of Sharpe and Scoot...or getting pennies on the dollar for the most important trade in franchise history since Drexler?" which is a counter to your concern about development being a reason to trade Dame sooner. I'm saying, I am more than willing to risk a bit of development loss to ensure we get the best possible value for Dame.
 
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Idog1976 said:
Um...duh? Are you being willfully obtuse? Nobody is suggesting we intentionally turn down great value deals for Dame and wait for mid-season or the end of next season to trade Dame. Well, except maybe Tykendo. Everyone else is suggesting that we wait until we get proper value to trade Dame. Ergo, the only reason we would wait to trade Dame, is if we weren't getting proper value. Thus flowing from that, I said "Sure but which matters more, a partial loss of development of Sharpe and Scoot...or getting pennies on the dollar for the most important trade in franchise history since Drexler?" which is a counter to your concern about development being a reason to trade Dame sooner. I'm saying, I am more than willing to risk a bit of development loss to ensure we get the best possible value for Dame.
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I feel it's safe to say you and I will have have great conversations on this board. Let's recap...

You - Quoted a line I wrote in a convo with someone else, "No....no value loss. But potential developmental loss." You replied, "Sure but which matters more, a partial loss of development of Sharpe and Scoot...or getting pennies on the dollar for the most important trade in franchise history since Drexler?

I have not seen someone saying this would happen nor that they hoped it would happen. So it is either a strawman argument, or to use your word, it is a great example of being obtuse.

Me - I asked who said "pennies on the dollar", and you replied, "If Miami is the only option (very possible this summer) than that’s exactly what we would get.". I responded that the only way Miami is the only option, is "if Mr. Lillard was about to become a FA. He's under contract, therefore there are many options."

Then you ask if I'm being obtuse. Let's just say we don't communicate well. Best of luck to you fellow Blazer fan....
 
maxiep said:
Wow! Orlando Robinson! He may almost be as good as Drew Eubanks!

Everybody, please stop getting excited about the flotsam on the M'eat roster. They have absolute crap to offer. They only look halfway decent because the system is good in Miami and we're so f***ing terrible.
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Orlando Robinson is so bad, you guys. I'm telling you.
 
BassPlaya said:
I feel it's safe to say you and I will have have great conversations on this board. Let's recap...

You - Quoted a line I wrote in a convo with someone else, "No....no value loss. But potential developmental loss." You replied, "Sure but which matters more, a partial loss of development of Sharpe and Scoot...or getting pennies on the dollar for the most important trade in franchise history since Drexler?

I have not seen someone saying this would happen nor that they hoped it would happen. So it is either a strawman argument, or to use your word, it is a great example of being obtuse.

Me - I asked who said "pennies on the dollar", and you replied, "If Miami is the only option (very possible this summer) than that’s exactly what we would get.". I responded that the only way Miami is the only option, is "if Mr. Lillard was about to become a FA. He's under contract, therefore there are many options."

Then you ask if I'm being obtuse. Let's just say we don't communicate well. Best of luck to you fellow Blazer fan....
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It sounds like a miscommunication, unless you're in a rush to trade Dame, in which case it circles back to what I said. It wasn't a straw man. I've seen people seeming to think we need to trade Dame to Miami in part to get the process over with so it doesn't harm Scoot and Sharpe. If that isn't your thinking, then it sounds like I misread you.
 
I still think Dame will play like nothings happened come fall. He could be traded just before trade deadline. Or who knows what happens if he's not?
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Yeah...... depressing.

They ran through every single team. And these guys are extremely unbiased.
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They had one proposed idea I was intrigued with and that was Dame to Toronto with the Raptors giving up very little from their rotation. And yet I still liked it better than the Miami deal. I would rather have Gradey and Precious than JJjr and Jovic

I see no reason why Toronto/Dame would not want to do it. They would be a top 3 team in the east with Dame Trent, OG, Siakam, Poeltl, Barnes, Schroeder, Daniels

A lot of filler in the deal that would probably be cut, but I would want to keep Boucher and Koloko as well.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
They had one proposed idea I was intrigued with and that was Dame to Toronto with the Raptors giving up very little from their rotation. And yet I still liked it better than the Miami deal. I would rather have Gradey and Precious than JJjr and Jovic

I see no reason why Toronto/Dame would not want to do it. They would be a top 3 team in the east with Dame Trent, OG, Siakam, Poeltl, Barnes, Schroeder, Daniels

A lot of filler in the deal that would probably be cut, but I would want to keep Boucher and Koloko as well.
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So to clarify, that would be Boucher/Young/Porter/Dick/Achiuwa/Koloko for Dame? As good as that top-8 would probably be, I don't see them completely gutting their bench depth for Dame, especially since they'd also be hard-capped.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
So to clarify, that would be Boucher/Young/Porter/Dick/Achiuwa/Koloko for Dame? As good as that top-8 would probably be, I don't see them completely gutting their bench depth for Dame, especially since they'd also be hard-capped.
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I think they can pick up a couple of vets to replace Porter and Young. I would not turn down Dame just because of that.
 
BassPlaya said:
Personally, I'm excited.
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You and me both. Had Dame asked out last year, we’re staring at an unknown Shaedon Sharpe and…what else? This year, even with Dame gone, we have our future backcourt in place for the next 6+ years. Dame is going to fetch probably 4 1sts, one of which will be the 2023 MIA 1st.

Next summer, we’ll have Shaedon going into year 3, Scoot going into year 2, probably 2 1sts—1 lotto, and a bunch of cap space.

If we find our next big man in the draft and overpay for someone like OG for say 3 yrs/$130m, we’re possibly looking at competing for a play-in spot assuming internal improvement happens with the backcourt, other young guys on the roster, etc.

It’s going to be exciting to see this backcourt grow.
 
BankTeller said:
You and me both. Had Dame asked out last year, we’re staring at an unknown Shaedon Sharpe and…what else? This year, even with Dame gone, we have our future backcourt in place for the next 6+ years. Dame is going to fetch probably 4 1sts, one of which will be the 2023 MIA 1st.

Next summer, we’ll have Shaedon going into year 3, Scoot going into year 2, probably 2 1sts—1 lotto, and a bunch of cap space.

If we find our next big man in the draft and overpay for someone like OG for say 3 yrs/$130m, we’re possibly looking at competing for a play-in spot assuming internal improvement happens with the backcourt, other young guys on the roster, etc.

It’s going to be exciting to see this backcourt grow.
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I really don’t get the OG love. I never have. He’s a bit undersized for SF and he has a questionable injury history. I mean he’s not horrible by any means, but he just seems really overrated on the board. I mean he’s fine, but it feels like there has to be better options out there with a less stingy GM. I loathe dealing with Masai almost as much as the thought of dealing with Morey.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I was listening to Vecenie and it's funny because I was in the middle of constructing this trade while he started discussing this possibility. Would you do it? Fuck ton of picks.

Edit - nevermind.... Philly doesn't own hardly any of their picks. I think this is the best they can do.

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Of course! Wonder if 76's would: giving up Harden, Maxey and a FRP for Lillard?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Of course! Wonder if 76's would: giving up Harden, Maxey and a FRP for Lillard?
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If they want to keep Embiid happy they better do something. Harden is a negative value right now. Morey said that he wanted the assets from a harden trade to get a star. So I would think yes.
 
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