Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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Mr. Robot said:
dame lillard is not as big as lebron james or kevin durant, people wont hold his trade request against him (smaller part of our fan base do, but larger part still supports him), despite saying all that stuff throughout the years and then doing the opposite and i dont think he cares about what anyone thinks of him, he wants to get traded to the miami heat and win the chip there and hes ready to accept everything that comes out of it, good or bad
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I disagree.
 
Has anyone caught what Chris Haynes said on YouTube two days ago? He said that from what he knows, that after Dame requested a trade and everything else, that we want to trade Dame now and don’t really want him back.

So if that’s true, then that explains why we are being aggressive the last couples weeks via trading Dame.
 
AmirIcon said:
Nobody is buying it. It is definitely going to be used as a negotiating tool, but nobody really buys that Dame is going to make a big stink and sit it out. NOBODY.
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If he did that, he would be the worst villain in all of Sports. His entire persona up to this point would be a sham, and he’d be the biggest phony in the NBA. This man literally has made corny-ass songs about being loyal to the soil, I don’t think it would ever happen.

From what I remember during the pre draft process, there was a bit on Dame talking about how he got multiple offers to transfer to a bigger school, but he didn’t because Weber State showed him they wanted him. To assume Dame would ask out right away from Toronto would be discrediting who he is as a man. But if it happened, I look forward to a 30 for 30 on this whole thing in 10 years.

PG re-signed with OKC and told the public “if the Lakers really wanted me, they would’ve traded for me”.
 
I think we should build Cronin a statue if he can trade Dame somewhere other than Miami and get a decent haul.
 
sheed30 said:
Has anyone caught what Chris Haynes said on YouTube two days ago? He said that from what he knows, that after Dame requested a trade and everything else, that we want to trade Dame now and don’t really want him back.

So if that’s true, then that explains why we are being aggressive the last couples weeks via trading Dame.
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I think when Joe decided to draft Scoot he also decided that he didn't want Dame on this team anymore. Dame spent time after the season ended trying to force Joe's hand and Joe went the exact way that Dame said he couldn't follow. Joe then paid some lip service about making it work and promptly said he would grant Dame's trade request that Joe pretty much knew he had forced. I am not saying that Joe intended to push Dame out when the season ended but when he chose Scoot and Kris and said he was keeping them he knew what that meant for Dame.

I'll be surprised if Dame is here in a week and a half. Joe is getting aggressive and is obviously in serious talks with a lot of teams.
 
blazerkor said:
I think when Joe decided to draft Scoot he also decided that he didn't want Dame on this team anymore. Dame spent time after the season ended trying to force Joe's hand and Joe went the exact way that Dame said he couldn't follow. Joe then paid some lip service about making it work and promptly said he would grant Dame's trade request that Joe pretty much knew he had forced. I am not saying that Joe intended to push Dame out when the season ended but when he chose Scoot and Kris and said he was keeping them he knew what that meant for Dame.

I'll be surprised if Dame is here in a week and a half. Joe is getting aggressive and is obviously in serious talks with a lot of teams.
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I understand all that and that point of view.

I know you’re putting all the blame on Cronin, and maybe lots of what you’re saying is correct.

But I want to generally ask you, what if this was the scenario regarding the #3 pick :

Cronin shopped the #3 pick, and wasn’t getting back near the value for the pick. Combine that with the fact that Dame said a month earlier, this is make or break for Portland this off-season and to improve the team or else. If teams knew that, and well they did, and was low balling the Blazers for the #3 pick, then what would you do if you’re Cronin?

Trade the pick for below value and not even get enough in return to make the Blazers a contender? Or keep the pick, and draft what many said is a super talent and future all star in Scoot? You can’t dismiss the fact that Cronin might have been forced this direction, and Dame added to that by saying it’s make or break for the Blazers making it even tougher on Cronin.

Dame could have said all that behind the scenes, but he didn’t. I think blame goes all around, and even to people who aren’t here anymore like Neil Olshey!

To put all the blame on Cronin seems kinda unfair imo
 
riverman said:
Since I posted that it's come out Miami is out of the picture which I'm in favor of....I had read that Miami Suns Blazers were finalizing a 3 team trade and now it seems Miami has been absent from the table since summer league. Giannis and Embiid have maybe changed their attention span.
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i don't think jimmy can wait for giannis. his next player option is two years away and the bucks still have the best financial offer available to him.
 
sheed30 said:
Cronin shopped the #3 pick, and wasn’t getting back near the value for the pick. Combine that with the fact that Dame said a month earlier, this is make or break for Portland this off-season and to improve the team or else. If teams knew that, and well they did, and was low balling the Blazers for the #3 pick, then what would you do if you’re Cronin?
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Plus the fact that leading up to the draft no one was even sure if Scoot would drop to 3rd. So it was not as valuable before then.
I guess one could argue that Joe should have had multiple contingency plans waiting on draft night...but it does take two to tango.
 
sheed30 said:
I understand all that and that point of view.

I know you’re putting all the blame on Cronin, and maybe lots of what you’re saying is correct.

But I want to generally ask you, what if this was the scenario regarding the #3 pick :

Cronin shopped the #3 pick, and wasn’t getting back near the value for the pick. Combine that with the fact that Dame said a month earlier, this is make or break for Portland this off-season and to improve the team or else. If teams knew that, and well they did, and was low balling the Blazers for the #3 pick, then what would you do if you’re Cronin?

Trade the pick for below value and not even get enough in return to make the Blazers a contender? Or keep the pick, and draft what many said is a super talent and future all star in Scoot? You can’t dismiss the fact that Cronin might have been forced this direction, and Dame added to that by saying it’s make or break for the Blazers making it even tougher on Cronin.

Dame could have said all that behind the scenes, but he didn’t. I think blame goes all around, and even to people who aren’t here anymore like Neil Olshey!

To put all the blame on Cronin seems kinda unfair imo
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Dame could have said that stuff behind the scenes. I'm not putting blame on Joe because I don't think there was any shame in pivoting when he did. I think it was a little weird to make Dame be the one to demand a trade but Joe obviously wants to come off as the good guy... that's fine with me too. I wish we could have kept Dame his whole career, I hope Joe did everything he could to do that while doing the best for our team. Now all that I want is for us to get the best return possible for Dame and hopefully send him to a place where he has a shot at winning big.
 
the thing that im the most curious about is if joe cronin has the balls to trade dame lillard anywhere but miami heat

if he does that, it will mark him for life (in a good way, at least within our fan base and possibly within other franchises too), but im not sure how players & agents across the league would react to it (but as always, money talks)
 
blazerkor said:
I think when Joe decided to draft Scoot he also decided that he didn't want Dame on this team anymore.
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I think Joe wants Lillard, otherwise he wouldn't have signed Lillard's extension. I think someone up in Vulcan Land had a change of heart, told Joe to flood the team with rookies. Tell fans the new rookies have more talent then anyone the Blazers could trade for. It worked, Lillard asked for a trade.
 
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Mr. Robot said:
the thing that im the most curious about is if joe cronin has the balls to trade dame lillard anywhere but miami heat

if he does that, it will mark him for life (in a good way, at least within our fan base and possibly within other franchises too), but im not sure how players & agents across the league would react to it (but as always, money talks)
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It wouldn’t for me.

Why the blue hell did this jabroni trade role players to their preferred destination and then trade Dame somewhere he doesn’t want to go?
 
blazerkor said:
Dame could have said that stuff behind the scenes. I'm not putting blame on Joe because I don't think there was any shame in pivoting when he did. I think it was a little weird to make Dame be the one to demand a trade but Joe obviously wants to come off as the good guy... that's fine with me too. I wish we could have kept Dame his whole career, I hope Joe did everything he could to do that while doing the best for our team. Now all that I want is for us to get the best return possible for Dame and hopefully send him to a place where he has a shot at winning big.
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I understand all that bro, and I feel a lot of the same way. I love Dame, and will be sad to see him go. With someone like Dame, his superstar level and how loyal he was for all those years are still things to praise about him, even if you think he is being un loyal now.

I wanted to keep Dame and try to build a championship regardless until the wheels fell off because players like Dame don’t come around often, especially to small market teams like Portland. But I came to the realization that maybe that wasn’t possible with the current situation, and Scoot falling to use lead us more into this direction.

Cronin from the beginning took over a team and roster that Neil Oshley put us in the first place and had to do some clean ups.

All in all, I also want us to get the best possible value or close to for Dame while sending him somewhere he can win a ring. I’m not in the boat of sending Dame to OKC or just anywhere.

Unless Scoot, Sharpe and crew can really live up the potential WHILE staying here long term, I think people will really miss Dame when he is gone, which seems like real soon.
 
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BankTeller said:
It wouldn’t for me.

Why the blue hell did this jabroni trade role players to their preferred destination and then trade Dame somewhere he doesn’t want to go?
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dame lillard and his camp were toxic as it gets, fuck them and what they want

they did everything in their power to force a trade to the miami heat and that other teams dont make offers

if they just said that their preferred destination is the miami heat and went quiet after that, he mightve been their player already (maybe miami wouldnt low ball us and maybe we would act with more willingness to trade him to the miami heat)
 
Whyachi said:
I think Joe wants Lillard, otherwise he wouldn't have signed Lillard's extension. I think someone up in Vulcan Land had a change of heart, told Joe to flood the team with rookies. Tell fans the new rookies more talent then anyone the Blazers could trade for. It worked, Lillard asked for a trade.
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I think Joe wanted Dame here until he decided he wanted to draft and keep both Scoot and Kris. It could have been Kolde, I guess but I think it's far more likely that Joe looked around at his roster and decided that a rebuild made a helluva lot more sense once he was at number 3 with Scoot available and wasn't getting traction on reasonable results for an all star running mate to put with Dame. He then did a bit of spinning about threading the needle but Joe had watched the same interviews we had and for sure Dame had told Joe the same shit about going young not being cool with him in private. So Joe knew he wasn't trying to thread any needles once he picked Scoot and Kris and didn't do much afterward. To say that "Joe wants Lillard" like currently Joe's desire is to keep Dame on this team is inaccurate in my opinion.

It's a judgment call and honestly if Joe wasn't getting any traction on the trade market for a second star it was likely the right call. I couldn't make that call because I wanted Dame to retire a Blazer too badly but it's Joe's job to be dispassionate when pursuing the team's best interests.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Actually, when I was in middle school, that's exactly what happened to me. Not girls paid no attention to me until I got a girlfriend, albeit an ugly one. All of a sudden, the hot girls started paying attention to me. It made no sense, but then again, women rarely do.
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And that girl grew up and blossomed into @SlyPokerDog ……

And now you know……..the REST of the story…….
 
PtldPlatypus said:
You don't think we need a backup PF?
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What's Jabari? It's not that I don't think we need another PF, it's that his ceiling is significantly lower than the other guys that were drafted after. It seemed like a pick that was made to appease Dame, not going for the highest ceiling (ala Leonard Miller). If we do a deal with Miami, we'll be adding Jovic to Walker, Murray and Grant.
 
blazerkor said:
I think Joe wanted Dame here until he decided he wanted to draft and keep both Scoot and Kris. It could have been Kolde, I guess but I think it's far more likely that Joe looked around at his roster and decided that a rebuild made a helluva lot more sense once he was at number 3 with Scoot available and wasn't getting traction on reasonable results for an all star running mate to put with Dame. He then did a bit of spinning about threading the needle but Joe had watched the same interviews we had and for sure Dame had told Joe the same shit about going young not being cool with him in private. So Joe knew he wasn't trying to thread any needles once he picked Scoot and Kris and didn't do much afterward. To say that "Joe wants Lillard" like currently Joe's desire is to keep Dame on this team is inaccurate in my opinion.

It's a judgment call and honestly if Joe wasn't getting any traction on the trade market for a second star it was likely the right call. I couldn't make that call because I wanted Dame to retire a Blazer too badly but it's Joe's job to be dispassionate when pursuing the team's best interests.
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I don't think we have to speculate very much at all on any of this. Joe clearly said exactly what has happened for many months during the summer league press conference. He tried to build a winner around Dame, he tried to close many trades to acquire another star but repeatedly failed to and he owned up to it.

I applaud him for recognizing that and pivoting to this new youth direction. It was nearly inevitable that would result in Dame asking out, but that eventually became the clear best option available.

Doesn't mean any of Dame/Cronin/Billups/etc are liars or scumbags or fake. Just means situations changed and it made sense for all parties to go separate ways.
 
AmirIcon said:
What's Jabari? It's not that I don't think we need another PF, it's that his ceiling is significantly lower than the other guys that were drafted after. It seemed like a pick that was made to appease Dame, not going for the highest ceiling (ala Leonard Miller). If we do a deal with Miami, we'll be adding Jovic to Walker, Murray and Grant.
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Just seemed like a Cronin/Schmits pick where they rated the guy very highly to me. Maybe later they will be proven right or wrong. If they wanted to appease Dame they never would've trade Hart away and got the pick. Or they'd have traded for a vet at the draft with it.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Just seemed like a Cronin/Schmits pick where they rated the guy very highly to me. Maybe later they will be proven right or wrong. If they wanted to appease Dame they never would've trade Hart away and got the pick. Or they'd have traded for a vet at the draft with it.
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They just didn't want to pay for a vet, so they split the difference by getting a guy on a rookie contract that was supposed to be a Dame guy.
 
AmirIcon said:
They just didn't want to pay for a vet, so they split the difference by getting a guy on a rookie contract that was supposed to be a Dame guy.
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This makes ZERO sense since they kept #3 (worth about 20x times #23) and drafted Dame's replacement.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Just seemed like a Cronin/Schmits pick where they rated the guy very highly to me. Maybe later they will be proven right or wrong. If they wanted to appease Dame they never would've trade Hart away and got the pick. Or they'd have traded for a vet at the draft with it.
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Hart is 6' 5" and hesitant to shoot 3-pointers.
Murray is 6' 9" and is never going to turn down an open 3-pointer.

This does not seem to be an exchange that should make Lillard upset, unless all he cares about is playing with "veterans."
 
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