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SharpesTriumph said:
I don't care if it's east or west. Give us one extra draft pick and I'm trading him to the west.

Plus what if his new team trades him? Blazers could trade him East and he's back in the west in 6 months.

Hell it might even be fun to play him. It's a game people.
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i will cheer as loud as anyone when i see him on the opponents bench next year, but as you said its a game. A team game we want to win. The point of playing games is entertainment and competitive gamesmanship. Meaning, trying to win.
What gets us more wins in the future, one additional pick? Or not facing Dame three more times a season on a contending team?
Sorry, as much as i love Dame i dont want him being the one waiving portland out every first or second round for the next handful of years. Send him east or dont send him.
 
I still have love for Dame. He was a great leader, an amazing scorer and he represented Portland well.

No one is without fault though. He didn’t make teammates better, and his defense was not good.

He had a lot of input in team decisions.

And preaching about never switching on Portland and calling out other players for doing so, seems a bit hypocritical.

Reality is we have not been a contending team since LA left, and not even a playoff team the past two years.

Now we finally have a path that has a lot to be excited for in Scoot and Shae.
 
SIeepwalker said:
Crazy how a lot of you want to fuck Dame over in a trade and completely ignore what he wants. After all he's done for this fucking poverty franchise you side with the awful front office and ownership who fucked him times and times again.
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That's what the money is for.
 
Freshtown said:
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Yeah I saw that yesterday, "if true" basically Fuck That! again "if true". Cronin's job here is to get the best assets he can for the future of this team, NOT caving in to a trade demand that very likely limits the return we could get. If it's time to play hard bal, then play hard ball. The drama continues
 
Mediocre Man said:
Blazers like Jarret Allen. They think he’s a good fit with Scoot and Sharpe

Just an fyi
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Allen and picks would be a great haul. Problem is, how the hell are you looping Cleveland into the deal?

But yeah, I'll take any defensive big man to pair with two defensively challenged guards.
 
THE HCP said:
Florida is a shithole and I go there around 5 times a year.
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Clearly, I disagree, and don't think it's a shithole at all! And I have a winter home there, so I love it.

Different strokes for different folks.
 
SIeepwalker said:
Joe Snake Cronin drove Dame out of town because he wanted to go young but didn't have the balls to say it and wanted it to come from Dame to save face, don't get that backwards.
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It was time man. It was not the right move to waste lottery picks to bring in borderline stars and continue to run on the treadmill. Dame seemed to be incapable of realizing that. Joe couldn’t just trade Dame. He needed Dame to ask out and now we’re here.
 
B-Roy said:
But yeah, I'll take any defensive big man to pair with two defensively challenged guards.
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Actually Dame is being traded and think Ant is going to come off the bench. The have two new guys Scoot and Sharpe, both really athletic, young and have all the tools to be great defender. Actually, both have shown that potential.

Edit. Oooops, see this was already addressed. Any case, it seems to be the Blazer fan way.
 
BonesJones said:
Cronin has handled this situation horribly and him driving away a guy like Dame and then giving a quote like Dame is the bad guy when hes as quality as they come is filthy work.
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Asked this before, and if someone answered it, I missed it. Where did Joe give a quote that makes Dame the bad guy? I saw the statement that was made, but that seemed more like a recitation of events than anything else. They had just signed Grant to what most in the league thought was way too much money as part of the plan to bring Dame back. Whether they were going to be able to bring more Free Agents here, is a matter of conjecture, but this franchise has very rarely been able to do that no matter what era it was. Bert is a huge Dame fan and since he is Joe's boss, it is tough to imagine him overtly going against something Bert wanted. Supposedly Dame had talked to FA's that wanted to play with him. Did they get offered more to go elsewhere? Not sure we will know that.

I get that yesterday was a tough day and your fandom for Dame is well chronicled. Anyone can respect that....love the passion. Did Joe overestimate what he would be able to do or underestimate what other teams would ask in return for the few pieces he had? I believe that to be completely true. It wasn't like they didn't try, but what other teams were asking for in terms of return would have been franchise malpractice if he had gone through with them. Yes, we could have got a piece like OG, but what Ujiri wanted was incredible. He wanted almost Durant like return for his players. It would have been a massive overpay even though we would have received a vet back. Maybe that is what some people wanted. I spoke to a fan at the Draft that didn't care how much it took. He was very much more interested in Dame's happiness right now than the longer term health of the team. I kept adding assets for a trade and he was willing to give up multiple players and multiple picks for a player that would have been difficult making that much of a difference.

Teams knew of the situation Portland was in and the Blazers would have 'lost' any trade that they were having discussions on in terms of value and we are still hampered by not having control of our Draft picks, which is left over from Olshey. Until that is remedied, Portland is somewhat handcuffed. Joe wasn't able to do what he said he would try to do. but the discussions were at least around better pieces than Olshey who traded away countless picks for marginal players like RoCo, Nance, Collins, etc. Joe wasn't able to close....and that is part of this job. But he wasn't dealing from a position of strength. Part of that was on him for the very little we got from the CJ, Powell, Nance, RoCo trades. We had very few tradable contracts that any other team deemed valuable. Part of that is on Olshey for us not having younger players besides Ant that have grown into valuable, tradable pieces because he traded away so many picks.

I wish all of this had been done years ago when there was more time to make it work. Right after the sweep by the Pelicans and certainly after getting run out of town by the injury decimated Nuggets. But it didn't happen then and we weren't able to get it down now.

Going forward, my hope is that out of the young core of Sharpe, Scoot, Murray, Rupert, Butler, Badji, Keon, players in return for Dame, and whomever Schmitz might find in the Sudan league (seems to be a favorite right now), that at least 3 of those players 'hit' and develop into legit starters. Sharpe/Scoot have to be 2 of those for how high they were picked and you hope you get another starter and maybe a rotation player out of the rest. As much as I hope for that, I wish that ownership would change tomorrow. Some of what is going on would make Harry Glickman roll over in his grave. Until that is fixed, no matter what the success of the next era is, IMO, it will be hampered.
 
TBpup said:
Asked this before, and if someone answered it, I missed it. Where did Joe give a quote that makes Dame the bad guy? I saw the statement that was made, but that seemed more like a recitation of events than anything else. They had just signed Grant to what most in the league thought was way too much money as part of the plan to bring Dame back. Whether they were going to be able to bring more Free Agents here, is a matter of conjecture, but this franchise has very rarely been able to do that no matter what era it was. Bert is a huge Dame fan and since he is Joe's boss, it is tough to imagine him overtly going against something Bert wanted. Supposedly Dame had talked to FA's that wanted to play with him. Did they get offered more to go elsewhere? Not sure we will know that.

I get that yesterday was a tough day and your fandom for Dame is well chronicled. Anyone can respect that....love the passion. Did Joe overestimate what he would be able to do or underestimate what other teams would ask in return for the few pieces he had? I believe that to be completely true. It wasn't like they didn't try, but what other teams were asking for in terms of return would have been franchise malpractice if he had gone through with them. Yes, we could have got a piece like OG, but what Ujiri wanted was incredible. He wanted almost Durant like return for his players. It would have been a massive overpay even though we would have received a vet back. Maybe that is what some people wanted. I spoke to a fan at the Draft that didn't care how much it took. He was very much more interested in Dame's happiness right now than the longer term health of the team. I kept adding assets for a trade and he was willing to give up multiple players and multiple picks for a player that would have been difficult making that much of a difference.

Teams knew of the situation Portland was in and the Blazers would have 'lost' any trade that they were having discussions on in terms of value and we are still hampered by not having control of our Draft picks, which is left over from Olshey. Until that is remedied, Portland is somewhat handcuffed. Joe wasn't able to do what he said he would try to do. but the discussions were at least around better pieces than Olshey who traded away countless picks for marginal players like RoCo, Nance, Collins, etc. Joe wasn't able to close....and that is part of this job. But he wasn't dealing from a position of strength. Part of that was on him for the very little we got from the CJ, Powell, Nance, RoCo trades. We had very few tradable contracts that any other team deemed valuable. Part of that is on Olshey for us not having younger players besides Ant that have grown into valuable, tradable pieces because he traded away so many picks.

I wish all of this had been done years ago when there was more time to make it work. Right after the sweep by the Pelicans and certainly after getting run out of town by the injury decimated Nuggets. But it didn't happen then and we weren't able to get it down now.

Going forward, my hope is that out of the young core of Sharpe, Scoot, Murray, Rupert, Butler, Badji, Keon, players in return for Dame, and whomever Schmitz might find in the Sudan league (seems to be a favorite right now), that at least 3 of those players 'hit' and develop into legit starters. Sharpe/Scoot have to be 2 of those for how high they were picked and you hope you get another starter and maybe a rotation player out of the rest. As much as I hope for that, I wish that ownership would change tomorrow. Some of what is going on would make Harry Glickman roll over in his grave. Until that is fixed, no matter what the success of the next era is, IMO, it will be hampered.
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im not reading this
 
Fitz303 said:
Because a lot of people here are Blazers fans first. The goal should always be about making the Blazers team, and the 15 guys who are on that roster, better. I don't think many people here have ill will towards Dame, or "want to fuck Dame over". They want what's best for the franchise. That should never change.

The Blazers gave Dame almost a half a billion dollars to play basketball. If you're going to ask out a year after after signing that latest huge contract, that no other team could give you, you don't necessarily get to choose where the team trades you. maybe should have thought about that before you took all the money you could get from Portland. I don't fault him for taking the money either. Just don't expect to get to run the franchise on your exit too. This team is more than one player.
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I have to ask....do you believe that tweet that said Dame would only play for Miami? That sure seems to have generated a lot of bile and venom directed at Dame in this forum. One single un-sourced, uncorroborated tweet. We know he'd prefer to play for Miami with guys he knows. When stars ask out they always have preferred destinations. I don't see anything wrong in that other than Portland never being on anybody's list

but seriously, after 11 years of watching Dame, listening to him, seeing how he operates, do people really believe he gave an ultimatum like that? An ultimatum that would not only be stupid, but that would display corrupt principle and no integrity on Dame's part. Does anybody really believe he told Cronin he wouldn't play for any team than Miami?
 
This is good for both parties. Dame gets to play for a better team, and the Blazers won't be stuck paying Damian 60 million when he's 35/36. And who would take on his contract at that point? Keeping Damian would only hold back our rebuild, both financially, and in terms of player development.

Damian gave them an out by asking for a trade. The fact that we will get something for him before he goes is just icing on the cake.
 
beast crnjo said:
This is good for both parties. Dame gets to play for a better team, and the Blazers won't be stuck paying Damian 60 million when he's 35/36. And who would take on his contract at that point? Keeping Damian would only hold back our rebuild, both financially, and in terms of player development.

Damian gave them an out by asking for a trade. The fact that we will get something for him before he goes is just icing on the cake.
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Many have been saying such all year, only "issue" is where he goes and what we get back. IF, stress "if", he's demanding Miami only that's no go for me and should be for the Blazers from a negotiating for the best deal standpoint - if that happens its hard ball time. Hopefully not and we can accommodate him to a good team and get fair value.
 
wizenheimer said:
I have to ask....do you believe that tweet that said Dame would only play for Miami? That sure seems to have generated a lot of bile and venom directed at Dame in this forum. One single un-sourced, uncorroborated tweet. We know he'd prefer to play for Miami with guys he knows. When stars ask out they always have preferred destinations. I don't see anything wrong in that other than Portland never being on anybody's list

but seriously, after 11 years of watching Dame, listening to him, seeing how he operates, do people really believe he gave an ultimatum like that? An ultimatum that would not only be stupid, but that would display corrupt principle and no integrity on Dame's part. Does anybody really believe he told Cronin he wouldn't play for any team than Miami?
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"probably" not but I have to say that there is a "seed of doubt" in my mind, not convinced of anything here but trying to give Dame the benefit of doubt as he deserves
 
wizenheimer said:
I have to ask....do you believe that tweet that said Dame would only play for Miami? That sure seems to have generated a lot of bile and venom directed at Dame in this forum. One single un-sourced, uncorroborated tweet. We know he'd prefer to play for Miami with guys he knows. When stars ask out they always have preferred destinations. I don't see anything wrong in that other than Portland never being on anybody's list

but seriously, after 11 years of watching Dame, listening to him, seeing how he operates, do people really believe he gave an ultimatum like that? An ultimatum that would not only be stupid, but that would display corrupt principle and no integrity on Dame's part. Does anybody really believe he told Cronin he wouldn't play for any team than Miami?
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It seems that all the quotes from Cronin and the Blazers have emphasized that they are looking beyond Miami and going to do what's best for the team...I don't think they make those comments unless there is some truth.
 
Quick's column adds fuel to what I suspected about Dame asking out.

I think Dame let what media in other NBA cities and nationally and those in his circle were saying make him second guess himself. I think he heard all these people saying he needed to get out of Portland, needed to win a ring to cement his legacy, because that's what allllll the other guys do. I think he began to wonder if all these people were saying it, could they all be wrong. I think he doubted what he felt in his own heart, started missing what was important to him.

If I'm right, Dame isn't going to be happy wherever he plays from here on out.

Here's what Dame's missing out on. A lot of forgettable players have NBA championship rings, and still no one remembers them. And a lot of great players never won rings who are still remembered.

But there aren't a lot of players that can say they stayed with the same team for their entire careers, through thick and thin, defined an organization, were revered in a city and a community for both what they brought on the court and off of it. THAT is the rarer accomplishment. And he's not going to have that now.
 
wizenheimer said:
I have to ask....do you believe that tweet that said Dame would only play for Miami? That sure seems to have generated a lot of bile and venom directed at Dame in this forum. One single un-sourced, uncorroborated tweet. We know he'd prefer to play for Miami with guys he knows. When stars ask out they always have preferred destinations. I don't see anything wrong in that other than Portland never being on anybody's list

but seriously, after 11 years of watching Dame, listening to him, seeing how he operates, do people really believe he gave an ultimatum like that? An ultimatum that would not only be stupid, but that would display corrupt principle and no integrity on Dame's part. Does anybody really believe he told Cronin he wouldn't play for any team than Miami?
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I hope not, but I do believe it. It's coming out from relatively reliable reporters mouths (may be regurgitation from just 1 reliable source though). That being said, I don't have any issue with Dame, or what's going down in general.

All I said was that, if I'm Cronin, I'm doing what's best for the franchise. I'd do my best to help Dame out, but there's no way I'm just sending him to Miami because it's the only team I'm allowed to send him to. He doesn't have a NTC, he didn't take any kind of discount over the $449,000,000 that he signed to receive from Portland. He did what was in his best interest, and Portland should be operating in the same way. There is a common ground to find, and I'd certainly hope that Dame gave a wider range of preferred teams, offering Cronin more chance to appease him while working out what's best for the franchise. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the real story of that conversation. At the end of the day though, I'm a Blazers fan, and I want this team to win.
 


I don’t have confidence in Joe but still:


He didn’t overpay to keep Dame, why would he take pennies on the dollar now to ship him away. You don’t want to be the GM that traded away Dame. But you also don’t want to be the one that got fleeced on a star trade even more.
 
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