Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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Natebishop3 said:
Wait... what? I don't remember that.

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Dame was eligible for a 30% of cap contract instead of a 25% contract because of making an all-NBA team. But he split the difference and settled for a 27.5% base salary so Olshey could have a little more flexibility; they BOTH talked about it at the time. Olshey then used the space he had to sign Evan Turner, match Crabbe, and pay Ezeli for not playing, among other things. The 2-3M year Dame gave up went into the morass of Olshey's failed roster building
 
wizenheimer said:
Dame was eligible for a 30% of cap contract instead of a 25% contract because of making an all-NBA team. But he split the difference and settled for a 27.5% base salary so Olshey could have a little more flexibility; they BOTH talked about it at the time. Olshey then used the space he had to sign Evan Turner, match Crabbe, and pay Ezeli for not playing, among other things. The 2-3M year Dame gave up went into the morass of Olshey's failed roster building
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that sucks they should fire that guy
 
andalusian said:
Absolutely not a problem as long as you do not build your brand on being different by being loyal. When you do that and later start looking for yourself, you absolutely deserve to be called for the the snake oil you sold.

If a brand told you that they were better because they use much better raw materials and later you find that they stopped doing it because the margins were better on cheaper materials, you are 100% right to call them out.

As a fan, I was sold a bill of goods that proved to be wrong. It does not change anything other than my respect for the merchant of snake oil.
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I get what you're saying but is it fair to say that even if you built that as your brand there might be an understandable breaking point.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Nobody, not a single fucking person, who is talking trash about Portland doing Dame dirty now, was ever a Portland Trailblazers fan. They were and are Damian Lillard fans. This is the real breakup. Dame and Cronin and Riley are just doing business. The real knockdown drag out fight will between the Blazers fans and the Dame fans.
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100%. Nets fans went through something similar with Vince Carter.

True Blazer fans will be here cheering on Scoot and Sharpe.

Turn the page folks. Grieve it up another few weeks then get over the feels by training camp.

K thx bye.
 
PCmor7 said:
It's called reaching the point where Dame no longer believes his own BS.
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If you want to spin it really negatively I think it's very obvious that's the point we're at. Dame thought he was loyal no matter what and it turns out that wasn't the case. I think we've all been there. We think one thing for a long time and then we have a change of heart. I'm assuming most people in here don't look down on people that get divorced.
 
I’m okay with Dame not being loyal. The NBA (like every company) is a business and you have to look out for yourself, because the company will only look out for itself. But the branding of “I’m as loyal as they come, built different, better for my team than those ring chasers” doesn’t play when it’s your turn to get yours. I will only be mad at Dame if he continues to play this off as him being betrayed by the franchise because it held its own needs above his exactly one time in the last 11 years. That’s bullshit.
 
blazerkor said:
I get what you're saying but is it fair to say that even if you built that as your brand there might be an understandable breaking point.
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Sure. But it is also understandable that those of us that bought his claims feel cheated and have lost respect we once had.

I would have understood if there was clear ill-intent on Portland's side, but there was not, they did give him the extension, they did moves to bring the forward he wanted to play with last year, they overpaid said forward this year in the FA period. What they did not do is find a deal that they considered better than what they could get in the draft for their picks.

He did not even give them more than a day to try and make some trades. This to me feels like if there was unfairness, it was not from the Portland office side.

I understand all of it. I also feel justified in what I feel about Dame after this happened. Told us he was different, seems like it was a lie.
 
andalusian said:
Sure. But it is also understandable that those of us that bought his claims feel cheated and have lost respect we once had.

I would have understood if there was clear ill-intent on Portland's side, but there was not, they did give him the extension, they did moves to bring the forward he wanted to play with last year, they overpaid said forward this year in the FA period. What they did not do is find a deal that they considered better than what they could get in the draft for their picks.

He did not even give them more than a day to try and make some trades. This to me feels like if there was unfairness, it was not from the Portland office side.

I understand all of it. I also feel justified in what I feel about Dame after this happened. Told us he was different, seems like it was a lie.
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Dame himself is a company (the first star in Portland to do the whole “parasocial personality as brand” thing) and we have no obligation to be loyal to him, and every right to feel like he is screwing over people who believed he was what he presented himself as. He’s not just a player he’s an influencer and that includes all the baggage influencer culture comes with.
 
andalusian said:
Sure. But it is also understandable that those of us that bought his claims feel cheated and have lost respect we once had.

I would have understood if there was clear ill-intent on Portland's side, but there was not, they did give him the extension, they did moves to bring the forward he wanted to play with last year, they overpaid said forward this year in the FA period. What they did not do is find a deal that they considered better than what they could get in the draft for their picks.

He did not even give them more than a day to try and make some trades. This to me feels like if there was unfairness, it was not from the Portland office side.

I understand all of it. I also feel justified in what I feel about Dame after this happened. Told us he was different, seems like it was a lie.
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I hear you. I just feel like it was not a lie. Due to the situation, some of it maybe Dame's fault but most of it because we've had two shitty GMs, Dame had a serious change of heart. I'll go back to the divorce analogy again. I don't think when someone tells you they don't love you anymore after saying they will love you for the rest of their life at some earlier point it makes that person a liar.
 
Portland2014 said:
I can't stand this Aaron Fentress guy on Twitter

He's so biased and negative

I hope he won't jump on the bandwagon if Scoot/Sharpe are as good as we hope
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So many bandwagons so little time. When Dame starts to fade away, they'll all be back.
 
blazerkor said:
I hear you. I just feel like it was not a lie. Due to the situation, some of it maybe Dame's fault but most of it because we've had two shitty GMs, Dame had a serious change of heart. I'll go back to the divorce analogy again. I don't think when someone tells you they don't love you anymore after saying they will love you for the rest of their life at some earlier point it makes that person a liar.
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I don't believe we had 2 shitty GMs. We had a shitty GM, replaced him with one that knows what is doing but is not a magician, so can't turn a pile of turds into gems in 18 months. Every move Joe did seemed reasonable and when it was proven wrong (GP2 injury) - he pivoted quick and fixed it.

You can't make trades for gold with sub-par assets, especially when your star player is all over social media making demands that lessen your hand. Dame decided he does not want to wait for the time it will take the FO to fix the mess. That's OK, but it is absolutely opposite his position before - and for that he is rightfully panned.
 
Portland2014 said:
I can't stand this Aaron Fentress guy on Twitter

He's so biased and negative

I hope he won't jump on the bandwagon if Scoot/Sharpe are as good as we hope
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He's skip Bayless with no talent.

Wait, that's the same thing. He just has no talent.
 
andalusian said:
I don't believe we had 2 shitty GMs. We had a shitty GM, replaced him with one that knows what is doing but is not a magician, so can't turn a pile of turds into gems in 18 months. Every move Joe did seemed reasonable and when it was proven wrong (GP2 injury) - he pivoted quick and fixed it.

You can't make trades for gold with sub-par assets, especially when your star player is all over social media making demands that lessen your hand. Dame decided he does not want to wait for the time it will take the FO to fix the mess. That's OK, but it is absolutely opposite his position before - and for that he is rightfully panned.
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Joe has never been a GM before. How does he know what he is doing? Because he watched Olshey for a decade? That doesn't make him a knowledgeable GM. Only first hand experience can do that.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
idk if you know this, but Ben Simmons is one of the biggest negative assets in the league.
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I see Simmons as a risk worth taking. Because he's a negative asset, you're doing Brooklyn a favor, thereby upping your return for Dame. He's only on the books for two years, where we'll still be losing. If he doesn't work out, we don't re-sign him. He will also help fill up the amount we need to take back for Dame's salary. If he can rejuvenate his career here, we will have gotten an absolute lockdown defender and basketball unicorn for next to nothing.

We need to start swinging for the fences. Simmons is a moon shot.
 
Chris Craig said:
Joe has never been a GM before. How does he know what he is doing? Because he watched Olshey for a decade? That doesn't make him a knowledge GM. Only first hand experience can do that.
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I have watched every public move that was done and it seems logical to me. He also has been an assistant GM and has been in the organization for a while. Yes, I believe he knows what he is doing and seems to have a clear plan. It also seems like the logical plan given what he was given. I do not believe in quick fixes, based on my experience in my own professional life and more recently in my personal life - in a remodel project we did.

When there are problems, painting over them is going to be useful only for so long (See RoCo for however many picks the Blazers paid for him). To fix real issues, you need to tear down the bad parts and live with the mess that creates until you can rebuild it better. Dame didn't want to live through the mess. That's fine. He has every right to want out. What's sad is that it is the opposite of what he said before.
 
B-Roy said:
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Comments like that are so completely clueless it's embarrassing. Yeah the Blazers didn't try to improve all those years. They largely failed, but to suggest everyone wasn't working hard to improve is idiotic.

And it's ridiculous to suggest a team doesn't owe it first to their fans, city and owner to get the best possible package back. Like the only person who matters is the person requesting to leave after they signed a fucking contract. Somehow that equates to "we're trying to screw Dame!" No, that's completely, totally, 100% backwards. Dame is doing the screwing and anyone in the league with common sense knows that.
 
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