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BonesJones said:
So Dame wanted to win here but felt like he needed to put pressure on the front office to get them to go along with that, and you don't wonder why that is?

You don't question the narrative that Joe Cronin is helpless and outleveraged in every single negotiation no matter the situation?

We're falling for a dude who's solid and keeps it real, over a guy who directly contradicted his own statements in the past three months and who's action don't back up his words?

Man oh man. What a sad day this is.
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Well, the fact that the people who know basketball all agree that there was not a win-now trade to be made...But, you're free to have your opinions. Always easy to make stories from the recliner.
 
PDXFonz said:
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People probably won’t like this…

But this trade with some future picks (which aren’t great… MIL doesn’t have many to trade) frees up a lot of future room on the length of contract difference, and brings us back our guy Patty C.

Dame said if he could play with anyone he’d want to play with Giannis.

I think the Bucks should perhaps at least be part of the conversation. Maybe a candidate for a multiple team trade situation.
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I like that. Jrue would be a great player for Scoot, Shaedon, and Anfernee to learn from. He can play the 3 even.
 
[Begley] Nets are among the teams that have been contacted as a potential third team to acquire Tyler Herro in a Damian Lillard to Miami deal, per SNY sources.
 
I dont blame Cronin for not trading the 3rd pick for Siakam or OG. I dont believe that Zion or Mikal were ever available for #3 and Ant. Would they have taken #3, Simons and Sharpe? Maybe, maybe not. But that trade would have been a desaster and we wouldn't have been close to a Contender. What was the option? Make a terrible trade just to make Dame happy? Thank god he didn't do that. Cmon Torey, you and Eric are better than that
 
BonesJones said:
How dare Dame want to win. Let's defend the guy who blatantly lied and did nothing to put a winner on the court like he said he wanted to, then chose a 19-year old PG over Dame. It's comical that people are defending Cronin here
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the mods on Blazers Edge are actively deleting negative comments about Cronin when they show up. It's a happy fun Dame Trade party over there.
 
BonesJones said:
So Dame wanted to win here but felt like he needed to put pressure on the front office to get them to go along with that, and you don't wonder why that is?

You don't question the narrative that Joe Cronin is helpless and outleveraged in every single negotiation no matter the situation?

We're falling for a dude who's solid and keeps it real, over a guy who directly contradicted his own statements in the past three months and who's action don't back up his words?

Man oh man. What a sad day this is.
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Putting pressure on the front office publicly destroyed our ability to make a trade, regardless of who the GM is.

I'm not "believing" JoCro. In fact, he's been mostly silent.

You heard all of the rumors. Which one had Blazers not getting bent over? Why? EVERYONE was hoping for pennies on the dollar.

Didn't you ever think the Heat rumors were a complete joke? Outside of Bam and Jimmy, who they weren't giving up, they literally have nothing the blazers want. So, why all the rumors with Miami? ONLY ONE POSSIBLE REASON - Lillard's agent (on Lillard's behalf) was forcing his way to Miami, and he didn't want Dame to "look bad".

Dude's running from the Grind to form a superteam, and you're falling for it. That's what's Sad.
 
Mote said:
Good Grief... your constant whining and sniveling has prompted me to unsubscribe from Blazers Uprise... and now you bring it here. What you should do is put together a resume of all your great takes and send it to Burt. I'm sure he would be more than thrilled to have you on board with the amazing knowledge and business acumen you demonstrate.
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Is that what good business is? Catering to the cranky, self-important types?
 
BlazerBeav said:
Trying to spin this as Dame is somehow a victim here is laughable. They made him the face of the franchise from day 1, have given him every possible dime, and the fan base treated him like a hero. He's decided all of that isn't enough. Fine, but he created this separation.
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So Dame is a bad guy because he wanted better teammates? Or is he a bad guy because Joe said he'd get him better teammates then didn't and then Dame publicly said that he wanted better win now teammates and not more youth? Or is Dame a bad guy because when Joe did the exact opposite of what Dame asked for he then demanded a trade?

I just don't see how anyone could fault Dame in this situation. He was close to asking out because the team didn't want to win bad enough and then they got Chauncey so he stayed. Then more and more inaction until we were even worse than the teams that made him want out in the first place. There were two drafts and one trade deadline in which Joe literally said we would push all of our chips in to build a team that can immediately win at the highest level and Joe did the opposite.

So should Dame just be content with being the face of the franchise and cashing his checks... is that the kind of guy you respect? You want someone who doesn't care if he's winning or not?

This turning on Dame stuff is complete bullshit! Dame has shown time and time again that he wanted to be here and we all know that this roster has been terribly mismanaged around him since LaMarcus left, so how is Dame the bad guy?
 
if im jody allen, im telling joe cronin: "your job is on the line here, be very careful about what youre going to do"
 
blazerkor said:
So Dame is a bad guy because he wanted better teammates? Or is he a bad guy because Joe said he'd get him better teammates then didn't and then Dame publicly said that he wanted better win now teammates and not more youth? Or is Dame a bad guy because when Joe did the exact opposite of what Dame asked for he then demanded a trade?

I just don't see how anyone could fault Dame in this situation. He was close to asking out because the team didn't want to win bad enough and then they got Chauncey so he stayed. Then more and more inaction until we were even worse than the teams that made him want out in the first place. There were two drafts and one trade deadline in which Joe literally said we would push all of our chips in to build a team that can immediately win at the highest level and Joe did the opposite.

So should Dame just be content with being the face of the franchise and cashing his checks... is that the kind of guy you respect? You want someone who doesn't care if he's winning or not?

This turning on Dame stuff is complete bullshit! Dame has shown time and time again that he wanted to be here and we all know that this roster has been terribly mismanaged around him since LaMarcus left, so how is Dame the bad guy?
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Problem is, Dame made his whole league persona about loyalty and not running from the grind - and now he's doing just that.
 
having danny ainge or masai ujiri as our gm right now wouldnt be the worst thing in the world
 
Why do we always have to have a bad guy in these situations? I honestly don't blame either one.
Joes was smart to draft both Sharpe and Scoot. Dame wants to move on. As much as I love Dame, and wanted him to stay, I am ok with us moving on as well
 
Why does one person have to take the majority of blame for the situation?

In my eyes, Olshey, Cronin, Jody, Paul, and Dame have all done things that have made the situation get to where it is today. How much weight we put on each of them wil differ, but I'm not sure any of them deserve more than 50% on their own.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Why do we always have to have a bad guy in these situations? I honestly don't blame either one.
Joes was smart to draft both Sharpe and Scoot. Dame wants to move on. As much as I love Dame, and wanted him to stay, I am ok with us moving on as well
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Damn, stole my thunder as I was writing my previous post!
 
What does this mean for Scoots chances to upset Wenbenyama for ROY?

Gotta think he’s about to definitely become Wenbenyama’s toughest competition for it.
 
People use the word “lie” way too easily. Sometimes plans just don’t work out, or something changes that makes the plan need to be adjusted. Getting the guy who’s possibly the second best talent in the draft changes the equation from what was thought before the lottery and draft. The asset value of the pick goes way up, as does the value to the Blazers of a very talented young player on a cheap rookie contract. Other teams know Joe is up against the wall with Dame and low ball their offers for the pick, or simply don’t have or don’t want to part with the assets required to obtain the pick. Not giving away a valuable asset at a low ball price is not a lie; it’s a change in circumstances.
 
Hoopguru said:
Riley & Dame's agent are convinced Joe will cave and make a deal that good for Miami. Joe needs to play hardball withal involved.
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Joe should play this like the following situations:

  1. During the Cold War, the United States discovered that the Soviet Union was secretly deploying nuclear missiles in Cuba. The Soviet Union's leader, Nikita Khrushchev, demanded that the U.S. remove its missiles from Turkey in exchange for the removal of Soviet missiles from Cuba. However, President John F. Kennedy refused to give in to the demand, calling Khrushchev's bluff and imposing a naval blockade around Cuba..
  2. In the world of professional yo-yoing, there is a subculture dedicated to "yo-yo poker." This unusual variation combines yo-yo tricks with the mechanics of poker, where players attempt to bluff their opponents by executing complex tricks or misdirections during gameplay, adding an unpredictable element to the game. Joe needs to call Dame's bluff.
  3. After World War I, Germany was presented with the Treaty of Versailles, which included severe economic reparations and territorial losses. The German government initially demanded significant changes to the treaty, hoping to negotiate more favorable terms. However, the Allied powers, led by France, refused to back down and called Germany's bluff, maintaining their position. The result was a harsh treaty that ultimately placed the burden of responsibility for the war squarely on Germany, contributing to future political tensions and setting the stage for World War II.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Why do we always have to have a bad guy in these situations? I honestly don't blame either one.
Joes was smart to draft both Sharpe and Scoot. Dame wants to move on. As much as I love Dame, and wanted him to stay, I am ok with us moving on as well
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Exactly. He wants to move on and I don't see any reason to badmouth the guy. Good luck to him and we focus on making sure we have as competitive a team next season without him as we can. I cheer for the team not individual players.
 
blazerkor said:
So Dame is a bad guy because he wanted better teammates? Or is he a bad guy because Joe said he'd get him better teammates then didn't and then Dame publicly said that he wanted better win now teammates and not more youth? Or is Dame a bad guy because when Joe did the exact opposite of what Dame asked for he then demanded a trade?

I just don't see how anyone could fault Dame in this situation. He was close to asking out because the team didn't want to win bad enough and then they got Chauncey so he stayed. Then more and more inaction until we were even worse than the teams that made him want out in the first place. There were two drafts and one trade deadline in which Joe literally said we would push all of our chips in to build a team that can immediately win at the highest level and Joe did the opposite.

So should Dame just be content with being the face of the franchise and cashing his checks... is that the kind of guy you respect? You want someone who doesn't care if he's winning or not?

This turning on Dame stuff is complete bullshit! Dame has shown time and time again that he wanted to be here and we all know that this roster has been terribly mismanaged around him since LaMarcus left, so how is Dame the bad guy?
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Dame letting it be known publically that he wants to win shouldn't be a big deal. Of course he wants to win. What soon to be 33 year old superstar wouldn't? Why would Dame stating that make is so that good offers that would be on the table disappear? It shpuld be common knowledge around league circles that star players want to win... out a team likes a deal for themselves, I have a hard time seeing them not do a deal they want because the Blazers are in a tough spot and Dame wants to win. So if you people want to think there were never good offers on the table, fine. But to act like Dame sabotaged what would've been on the table doesn't make sense to me.
 
inconceivable said:
Joe himself benefits from Dame leaving. He now has clean slate. An empty canvas. His career as a "young" GM is just getting started, was handed a clusterfuck roster, did his best to unfuck it but unfortunately underestimated the time it would take. If he trades Dame for a bag of chips, he suffers. He has all the motivation to get a great return or wait.
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This will also give Billups the chance to continue learning while on the job....:)
 
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