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maxiep said:
I never thought someone could look worse than LeBron ripping out Northeastern Ohio's heart with "I'm taking my talents to South Beach", but at least he was a free agent. Lillard's camp has NEVER dealt with anything but fawning PR. I'm not sure they understand how badly they f***ed this up. Dame actually looks worse than LeBron.
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Not for me. People forget that Lebron the GM absolutely gutted the future of those late-2000s Cavs team for just the reason people are saying about Cronin...."trade our assets in lopsided deals for guys I want (like Wally Szczerbiak and Mo Williams and Joe Smith and...) and I'll stay." Then after he couldn't win with his guys, he goes to South Beach and leaves a flaming wreckage with little future behind him.
The real Lebron analogy would've been if Dame had said "trade Scoot and Sharpe and Simons for (insert formerly good player here that doesn't get us over the hump), and fill out the roster trading future firsts for older players on bad contracts, and after we lose in the playoffs this year I'm leaving for nothing."
 
Ugh.... Zach Lowe and John Hollinger are crapping all over our dreams.



They think the Heat trade is reasonable and they don't even think that Miami needs to include all their assets.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ugh.... Zach Lowe and John Hollinger are crapping all over our dreams.



They think the Heat trade is reasonable and they don't even think that Miami needs to include all their assets.
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Eh, that's what Hollinger thinks, though Lowe called the whole enchilada trade from the Heat (i.e. they offer everything) "palatable." And I think that's fair. It's not a great package and not likely the best out there, but if we ended up with at least two of Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin and four picks (at least one coming from the Herro flip), I think it is fair to call it tolerable. Not ideal, but tolerable.

Hollinger is one of the most overrated "analysts" around, so I generally ignore nearly all of his opinions.
 
Lowe asked Hollinger about the "do right by Dame" thing and if it matters if we send Dame to Siberia/backlash from players etc.

Hollinger: "I don't think that's a thing. Honestly... 99% of free agency decisions are based on one thing, which is which team can offer the most money. Then when you get into these situations with max players, they all want to go to the same four cities, and Portland, Oregon is never going to be one of those cities. So what are you doing here... you gotta make the best deal for your team that gives you the best asset haul. Now that may end up being Miami just because other teams are leery of him not being happy where he's sent, but we ran into this situation twice in Memphis and inevitably you're going to send the guy to a pretty good situation if he's an older player because a 20 win team isn't going to be going after him unless they're just run by morons. Marc ended up going to Toronto because that ended up being the best deal we had, Mike ended up going to Utah because that ended up being the best deal. They both went to really good teams. Marc won the title and Mike's team had the best record in the league one year. So I just think that's inevitably what happens. They go somewhere good but when a player gives you a list of one destination, you're not required to accommodate that. I'm sorry. Especially when he has 4 years left on his deal and you just extended that deal for two years and 120 million or whatever and made him defacto GM for 18 months."
 
Is this too gready?

OKC:
Bertans + Miami '25 -> Finney-Smith
Thunder get a playable player that they can flip at a later date. They give up Miami's (late round pick) for the better player.


Miami:
Herro, Martin, Jaquez, Jovic, Lowery, + '24 '26, '28, '30, +swaps in '27. & '29
4
Dame, Little, Bertans, Miami '25
Heat get their guy, but have to eat a contract. Getting their 25 pick back unlocks all their remaining picks for Dame

Nets:
Simmons, Finney-Smith, PHX '29 ->. Lowery & Simons
Nets get the scoring guard they need & a vet mentor PG while dumping Simmons


Blazers:
Dame, Simons, Little. -> Herro, Martin, Jaquez, Jovic, Simmons, + 5 firsts & 2 swaps
Blazers get a haul. :)
 
Natebishop3 said:
Lowe asked Hollinger about the "do right by Dame" thing and if it matters if we send Dame to Siberia/backlash from players etc.

Hollinger: "I don't think that's a thing. Honestly... 99% of free agency decisions are based on one thing, which is which team can offer the most money. Then when you get into these situations with max players, they all want to go to the same four cities, and Portland, Oregon is never going to be one of those cities. So what are you doing here... you gotta make the best deal for your team that gives you the best asset haul. Now that may end up being Miami just because other teams are leery of him not being happy where he's sent, but we ran into this situation twice in Memphis and inevitably you're going to send the guy to a pretty good situation if he's an older player because a 20 win team isn't going to be going after him unless they're just run by morons. Marc ended up going to Toronto because that ended up being the best deal we had, Mike ended up going to Utah because that ended up being the best deal. They both went to really good teams. Marc won the title and Mike's team had the best record in the league one year. So I just think that's inevitably what happens. They go somewhere good but when a player gives you a list of one destination, you're not required to accommodate that. I'm sorry. Especially when he has 4 years left on his deal and you just extended that deal for two years and 120 million or whatever and made him defacto GM for 18 months."
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Then suddenly he wasn't the GM anymore.
 
Some good stuff in Woj's most recent article on ESPN. Here are some highlight quotes:
  • "As he executes the exit of the greatest player in franchise history, executives talking to Cronin describe him as devoid of sentiment. Business for Lillard, business for the Blazers."
  • "Goodwin is telling organizations outside of Miami that trading for Lillard is trading for an unhappy player. As interference goes, this is a time-honored agent maneuver to depress offers and clear a path to a predetermined destination. General managers who talked with ESPN suggested that pressure won't impact how they'll proceed. They would have Lillard under contract for four years, and believe his default mechanism would remain playing hard and well."
  • "Cronin has made it clear his allegiance is to the franchise's future, not its past."
  • "Portland doesn't want guard Tyler Herro and the four years and $120 million owed on his extension, but there are teams that have told ESPN they would surrender a good first-round pick to the Blazers -- maybe something more -- to become a facilitator by taking on Herro in a three-way deal."
  • "This is the trade of Joe Cronin's NBA life. It doesn't have to go quickly, but it does have to go right."

 
Interesting. Iirc, Woj has been portrayed as anti-Shams (to be fair, I lean that way) and therefore both anti-Dame and even more stuff bordering on off-topic (articles around Christmas of 21 insinuating Dame wasn’t all he talked about. Hmm…)
Sign of either his feeling of invincibility right now or his affection for the Blazers that he’s the lead in the response to the Big Media, Riley and Agent Machine message.
 
Graduate32 said:
Some good stuff in Woj's most recent article on ESPN. Here are some highlight quotes:
  • "As he executes the exit of the greatest player in franchise history, executives talking to Cronin describe him as devoid of sentiment. Business for Lillard, business for the Blazers."
  • "Goodwin is telling organizations outside of Miami that trading for Lillard is trading for an unhappy player. As interference goes, this is a time-honored agent maneuver to depress offers and clear a path to a predetermined destination. General managers who talked with ESPN suggested that pressure won't impact how they'll proceed. They would have Lillard under contract for four years, and believe his default mechanism would remain playing hard and well."
  • "Cronin has made it clear his allegiance is to the franchise's future, not its past."
  • "Portland doesn't want guard Tyler Herro and the four years and $120 million owed on his extension, but there are teams that have told ESPN they would surrender a good first-round pick to the Blazers -- maybe something more -- to become a facilitator by taking on Herro in a three-way deal."
  • "This is the trade of Joe Cronin's NBA life. It doesn't have to go quickly, but it does have to go right."
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I understand that the general sentiment is that Woj is "carrying water for Cronin", but this is precisely in line with how I've felt it should go all along. I have a really hard time believing that Dame would suddenly become a pouty malcontent if he is traded to a team that he didn't hand-pick, and doubt that any GM's believe that would happen. If Miami doesn't step up its offer, I don't see how Cronin accepts an offer from them.
 
It seems pretty clear that Aaron Goodwin is an asshole. Dame's trade demand seems the most egregious of any of them in recent history (save for other than Ben Simmons, the difference is that the team has catered to him for years whereas Ben was being shit on constantly). I wonder if teams avoid doing business with him in the future.
 
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Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte said:
It seems pretty clear that Aaron Mintz is an asshole. Dame's trade demand seems the most egregious of any of them in recent history (save for other than Ben Simmons, the difference is that the team has catered to him for years whereas Ben was being shit on constantly). I wonder if teams avoid doing business with him in the future.
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Aaron Goodwin is his agent. Not Mintz.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Interesting. Iirc, Woj has been portrayed as anti-Shams (to be fair, I lean that way) and therefore both anti-Dame and even more stuff bordering on off-topic (articles around Christmas of 21 insinuating Dame wasn’t all he talked about. Hmm…)
Sign of either his feeling of invincibility right now or his affection for the Blazers that he’s the lead in the response to the Big Media, Riley and Agent Machine message.
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Here is a cheat sheet:

Woj = Gets information from TEAMS.
Shams = Get information from agents of players.

Naturally, Woj's information is more team biased, and Shams information is more player biased.
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
There's been a rumor that a divorce is brewing between Dame and his wife, and its been going like that for a few months. Add to the other close friends who have died around him, I can totally see his strong desire to be in Miami. I don't think he did this knowingly a year ago @Natebishop3
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I sure hope this image Dame put on wasn’t a facade. The longer this goes on the more his true colors are going to come out.
 
Good luck to Goodwin on selling the pouty Dame crap to GMs around the league. Does anyone really think that if Dame got moved to Boston and had the chance to play with Tatum and Brown he’s going to be stomping his feet and pouting in the corner of the locker room? After 11 years of what he’s dealt with as teammates, that would be a dream situation. I get that Dame likes the appeal of South Beach, but I’m not buying what Goodwin’s shoveling.
 
Graduate32 said:
Some good stuff in Woj's most recent article on ESPN. Here are some highlight quotes:
  • "As he executes the exit of the greatest player in franchise history, executives talking to Cronin describe him as devoid of sentiment. Business for Lillard, business for the Blazers."
  • "Goodwin is telling organizations outside of Miami that trading for Lillard is trading for an unhappy player. As interference goes, this is a time-honored agent maneuver to depress offers and clear a path to a predetermined destination. General managers who talked with ESPN suggested that pressure won't impact how they'll proceed. They would have Lillard under contract for four years, and believe his default mechanism would remain playing hard and well."
  • "Cronin has made it clear his allegiance is to the franchise's future, not its past."
  • "Portland doesn't want guard Tyler Herro and the four years and $120 million owed on his extension, but there are teams that have told ESPN they would surrender a good first-round pick to the Blazers -- maybe something more -- to become a facilitator by taking on Herro in a three-way deal."
  • "This is the trade of Joe Cronin's NBA life. It doesn't have to go quickly, but it does have to go right."
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I like it that Joe is not being pressured into making a bad deal (taking him at his word anyway). I'd be happy with any kind of positive asset/s though. I seriously don't think the market for 33 year old Dame at this contract is going to be anywhere close to if this were going down 4 years ago.
 
Goodwin will be hurting his credibility if this goes for awhile. His clients will be hurt due that GM will not want to deal with him at all. Not saying he shouldn't do what his client wants but if he putting out bull shit out there and that's gets around that could hurt other clients he has down the road.
 
James lamphear said:
Goodwin will be hurting his credibility if this goes for awhile. His clients will be hurt due that GM will not want to deal with him at all. Not saying he shouldn't do what his client wants but if he putting out bull shit out there and that's gets around that could hurt other clients he has down the road.
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I have been saying this since Rich Paul... if I'm the NBA and I see an agent growing far too powerful, I'm black listing him. It's like breaking up a monopoly.
 
Graduate32 said:
Some good stuff in Woj's most recent article on ESPN. Here are some highlight quotes:
  • "As he executes the exit of the greatest player in franchise history, executives talking to Cronin describe him as devoid of sentiment. Business for Lillard, business for the Blazers."
  • "Goodwin is telling organizations outside of Miami that trading for Lillard is trading for an unhappy player. As interference goes, this is a time-honored agent maneuver to depress offers and clear a path to a predetermined destination. General managers who talked with ESPN suggested that pressure won't impact how they'll proceed. They would have Lillard under contract for four years, and believe his default mechanism would remain playing hard and well."
  • "Cronin has made it clear his allegiance is to the franchise's future, not its past."
  • "Portland doesn't want guard Tyler Herro and the four years and $120 million owed on his extension, but there are teams that have told ESPN they would surrender a good first-round pick to the Blazers -- maybe something more -- to become a facilitator by taking on Herro in a three-way deal."
  • "This is the trade of Joe Cronin's NBA life. It doesn't have to go quickly, but it does have to go right."
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Music to my ears (or eyes, as it were).
 
maxiep said:
If the offers are good enough now, they'll be better closer to the season or at the trade deadline. Lillard is too much of a competitor to not come to camp ready to play. Especially if he's playing to be traded. Might it be a distraction? Sure. But taking a bad deal would be worse.
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I don't think we've reached the contentious phase in this divorce yet where sides can't walk back what's done yet.
 
illmatic99 said:
He has a massive fanbase there. He even said he'd like to play there before.

But i dont see why Ainge does this.
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I'd think Cronin's asking price has to be a little prorated for someone in the division.

The crazy thing is the Jazz might be able to offer that without blinking.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Lillard would have to go to Utah all happy, and Danny Ainge would trade like a demon to build the team, now. Ainge builds a winner with Lillard, and Pat Riley is left holding the poo-poo platter. Utah is best case scenario for competitive offers.
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Never underestimate the hatred between the 80s Boston/LA guys.
 
BonesJones said:
Cronin has handled this situation horribly and him driving away a guy like Dame and then giving a quote like Dame is the bad guy when hes as quality as they come is filthy work.
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The number of dumbasses over every social media plateform thinking Lillard is the bad guy like Cronin didn't get exactly what he wanted is astonishing. Lillard wants to go to Miami, big deal, maybe the FO should have thought about the repercussions before fucking him over and acting in bad faith. Be fucking honest Cronin
 
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