Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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SIeepwalker said:
Yes Scoot is better than bench warmers I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.
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that Dame had better talent in this draft than most of our past signings...perfect for him to mentor Scoot as his backup and as he ages turn over the keys to the new guy...my posts have been pretty clear about having something to do with the situation...our roster could have turned into a beast with Dame bringing people here instead of chasing them away. At any rate...he has made his choice and I'm done cheering for him..I respect what the team is doing given the circumstances
 
Mr. Robot said:
simons is 24 and the only reason we should keep him is to build up his value and then trade him later, as he makes no sense on rebuilding team, especially with two other (more talented) guards
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the other two guards are not more talented than Ant! Not yet anyway. Ant averaged over 20 points a game - time will tell
 
SIeepwalker said:
A blind mouse could have done what he did in the draft. Drafting Scoot #3 isn't rocket science.
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buzzkill for the sake of buzzkill? I thought you preferred to trade the picks? Getting Murray and Rupert that late in the draft was the result of great scouting. Scoot changed the game..I think he's way better than the guy picked at 2
 
SIeepwalker said:
Yes Scoot is better than bench warmers I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.
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What people are saying is that you take the talent upgrade. You don't trade that away for anything less than what you deem an upgrade from Scoot. Do you know of an upgrade that was available, which made sense for the Blazers/Dame, that they turned down? You know, that trade that you claim is making Cronin a liar.
 
SIeepwalker said:
Yes Scoot is better than bench warmers I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.
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The point is that while Dame wanted "Vets" what he needed was overall talent around him, and with him talking about how he didn't want another young guy and that he would be displeased at cronin for using it even if it was the best option. While I don't think the blazers FO did the best job at trying to surround dame with talent, dame did the team no favors by going to the press or allowing his team to go to the press and voice displeasure with how the blazers were moving as far as talent acquisitions, therefore hamstringing any potential trade because most GM's smelt blood in the water that dame was possibly unhappy and want to try and pry him away from us. As far as FA goes outside of trying to make trades, I was under the impression we had very little outside of what we could possibly offer grant to keep him around to keep dame happy.
 
The argument that teams wouldn't want to trade with us to try to make Dame want out is asinine. No team is turning down a good chance for the chance to be one of the multiples team that would want him
 
It amaze me how Cronin apologists will tell you Scoot is the second coming of Jesus but at the same time that no team was willing to give value for him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The casual is probably oblivious to what’s going on because they aren’t gobbling up every single tweet or podcast that comes out, but the fans online here or Reddit are pissed at him.
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I’m not pissed at him, frankly, I think Cronin is learning a very important lesson.

Don’t make promises.

Instead of saying, “sit out and unless we get the #1 pick, we will trade it to get immediate help”.

Should’ve said “Sit out and, unless we get the #1 pick, we will do our best to look for a trade that can provide immediate help”.

Shouldn’t have guaranteed we would trade the pick. He didn’t know what the market would be.

Then after essentially lying to Dame about trading the pick, he drafts his replacement.

So if anything, I’m not really pissed at anyone, since you can’t fault Cronin for being a moron, but I think Cronin learned a very valuable lesson.
 
SIeepwalker said:
It amaze me how Cronin apologists will tell you Scoot is the second coming of Jesus but at the same time that no team was willing to give value for him.
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What team was willing to? I've asked you this multiple times and you come up with nothing. If you're going to continuously call someone a liar, give an example of the deal that he turned down (even rumored) that goes against his words in the press conferences about wanting to be aggressive to make the team better. Show me the talent upgrade that was available. It's not being an apologist. I just didn't see a singe deal out there that said "yup, that's the deal to move the 3rd pick for". If you know of one, I'm all ears...
 
SIeepwalker said:
A blind mouse could have done what he did in the draft. Drafting Scoot #3 isn't rocket science.
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The Draft....in which they had 3 picks. By most pundits, they had the top or near the top Draft in terms of getting good value for what was available at each particular spot. Sure, #3 was easy, but CHA may have screwed up #2 so it's not like you can't mess it up. Getting who they got at #23 and #43 is where the value comes in. And from the vast majority of people who ranks these, the Blazers crushed it.
 
Predator said:
I’m not pissed at him, frankly, I think Cronin is learning a very important lesson.

Don’t make promises.

Instead of saying, “sit out and unless we get the #1 pick, we will trade it to get immediate help”.

Should’ve said “Sit out and, unless we get the #1 pick, we will do our best to look for a trade that can provide immediate help”.

Shouldn’t have guaranteed we would trade the pick. He didn’t know what the market would be.

Then after essentially lying to Dame about trading the pick, he drafts his replacement.

So if anything, I’m not really pissed at anyone, since you can’t fault Cronin for being a moron, but I think Cronin learned a very valuable lesson.
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There's no evidence I've seen that he promised to trade the pick.

Where do you get that from?
 
Fitz303 said:
What team was willing to? I've asked you this multiple times and you come up with nothing. If you're going to continuously call someone a liar, give an example of the deal that he turned down (even rumored) that goes against his words in the press conferences about wanting to be aggressive to make the team better. Show me the talent upgrade that was available. It's not being an apologist. I just didn't see a singe deal out there that said "yup, that's the deal to move the 3rd pick for". If you know of one, I'm all ears...
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Completely agreed. But you likely are using logic and reason to debate emotion as the use of "Cronin apologists will tell you Scoot is the second coming of Jesus" displays. I haven't seen or heard anyone come close to that even though that is just a euphemism. Most people see potential for him to possibly very good, but I haven't seen that type of hyperbole even from the most devout Scoot supporter. In fact, I would venture top say, most people don't think he will be as good as Dame offensively, but might bring some other things to the table that could have an impact.
 
Predator said:
Then after essentially lying to Dame about trading the pick, he drafts his replacement.
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That's the part that feels really gross. There's no way to spin that other than "we value the post-Dame era more than Dame at this point". Whether it's the right decision or not depends on who you ask. But drafting a PG at #3 was clearly the end of Dame being here.
Even taking somebody at another position could leave some room for nuance, but a team that cares about building around Dame doesn't take a super high value PG.
I didn't blame Dame at all for taking that as his sign to leave. The Miami demand is another thing, but Cronin signaled loudly that, given the two paths, they were going young.
 
I don't blame for Dame asking to be traded.
I don't blame Dame for trying to force a trade to the team of his choice. (nothing wrong with trying)
But I sure as hell will not blame Joe for seeing through the threats and waiting for a better deal. Business is business.
 
glredig said:
That's the part that feels really gross. There's no way to spin that other than "we value the post-Dame era more than Dame at this point". Whether it's the right decision or not depends on who you ask. But drafting a PG at #3 was clearly the end of Dame being here.
Even taking somebody at another position could leave some room for nuance, but a team that cares about building around Dame doesn't take a super high value PG.
I didn't blame Dame at all for taking that as his sign to leave. The Miami demand is another thing, but Cronin signaled loudly that, given the two paths, they were going young.
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And interestingly enough, the Tuesday before the pick was the last time Cronin talked with Dame.

Dame probably gave him the ultimatum then (no way of knowing for sure, just a hunch), and Joe said "post-Dame it is".

And quite frankly, I'm glad.
 
Ed O said:
There's no evidence I've seen that he promised to trade the pick.

Where do you get that from?
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As well as the billion of report that Dame was convinced to sit out by getting promised they would trade the pick if it isn't #1
 
Know what the difference is between the thoughts..."Blazers won't cooperate" and "Teams disrespect Lillard by the value of their trade offers"?

The difference is dramatic title choices, which are directed at specific audiences.

"Blazers won't cooperate", could be said, "Blazers do not accept". One is reporting information. The other is dramatizing information. and here are the audiences responses to the dramatic titles...

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SwissBlazer said:
Jesus. You hate the front office to make such horrible takes.
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I do hate the front office, but I fail to see how that draft was special.
Scoot at #3 is a no brainer, and there where multiple good picks available for #23 and #43

If anything, drafting Murray over Leonard Miller or other young projects when planning to rebuild doesn't make too much sense
 
TBpup said:
Completely agreed. But you likely are using logic and reason to debate emotion as the use of "Cronin apologists will tell you Scoot is the second coming of Jesus" displays. I haven't seen or heard anyone come close to that even though that is just a euphemism. Most people see potential for him to possibly very good, but I haven't seen that type of hyperbole even from the most devout Scoot supporter. In fact, I would venture top say, most people don't think he will be as good as Dame offensively, but might bring some other things to the table that could have an impact.
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Exactly. I was one of the many who fully expected them to trade the pick, and was looking forward to it. I was disappointed when it didn't happen, but I also would have been wayyyy more disappointed if we traded it for Siakam or OG. I would have reluctantly traded it for Zion, but I would have been pissed if Shaedon was included. I'm happy with the outcome, based on the reports of what was offered. It sucks that Dame wants out, but the talent level has been increasing. They're just young. It sucks, but it's better than an expiring Siakam.
 
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