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Maybe something like this?

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I don't see Detroit giving up their best young center for a guard when they have Ivey and Cunningham.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'd almost rather have their pick but I don't think they'd do it :lol:
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If I'm running the Pistons, I don't let Duren go anywhere until I see how this Ivey/Cunningham/Thompson/Duren developmental core plays together. I think they really have a chance to build something special there.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
If I'm running the Pistons, I don't let Duren go anywhere until I see how this Ivey/Cunningham/Thompson/Duren developmental core plays together. I think they really have a chance to build something special there.
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I’m not really seeing anything from Detroit that’s intriguing then.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I’m not really seeing anything from Detroit that’s intriguing then.
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Agreed. At this point in their (albeit short) careers, Wiseman and Bagley are no more than throw-in's that you might take a flier on; certainly not primary pieces in a trade for a scorer like Herro
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Agreed. At this point in their (albeit short) careers, Wiseman and Bagley are no more than throw-in's that you might take a flier on; certainly not primary pieces in a trade for a scorer like Herro
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Maybe Detroit is willing to toss a later FRP because they don't think they will suck in 2025?
 
Freshtown said:
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I wouldn't take it personally that Siakam doesn't want to leave Toronto. He's one year away from qualifying for the 35% designated extension. If he gets traded, that all goes away. It's one of the main reasons why I think Dame suck around and didn't raise a stink until this summer. He got that 35% extension and now POOF he magically wants to vanish.
 
Freshtown said:
I would sincerely hope that 3 for OG was never on the table, but if it was and Masai rejected it, pretty much this:

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The main reason that the Charlotte hornets drafted Brandon Miller was LaMelo Ball.

In the podcast with Bill Simmons that someone posted earlier, Simmons said if LaMelo Ball was the reason Miller was drafted, the front office should just pack up their things and leave.

These are the front offices from which Cronin-bashers believe that somehow Cronin can get whatever they see in the trade machine, and it makes sense, duh! Cronin what's your problem!
 
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Natebishop3 said:
I wouldn't take it personally that Siakam doesn't want to leave Toronto. He's one year away from qualifying for the 35% designated extension. If he gets traded, that all goes away. It's one of the main reasons why I think Dame suck around and didn't raise a stink until this summer. He got that 35% extension and now POOF he magically wants to vanish.
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It has nothing to do with taking something personally, it shows that just because a trade makes sense to a Blazer fan, it doesn't mean there was any chance of it happening.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I wouldn't take it personally that Siakam doesn't want to leave Toronto. He's one year away from qualifying for the 35% designated extension. If he gets traded, that all goes away. It's one of the main reasons why I think Dame suck around and didn't raise a stink until this summer. He got that 35% extension and now POOF he magically wants to vanish.
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POOF he wishes. Shouldn't have limited Cronin's trading partners to one team with crappy assets.
 
illmatic99 said:
Cronin doing damage control? I dunno what's worse in this insinuation.

That we offered 3 for OG or that Masai rejected it.
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Yeah, it seems kinda fishy that all these failed trades are leaking right now.

I just don't believe for a second that we offered #3 for OG.
 
illmatic99 said:
Cronin doing damage control? I dunno what's worse in this insinuation.

That we offered 3 for OG or that Masai rejected it.
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Damned if you do (2nd year in a row making a terrible offer to masai and thankfully getting turned down)
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Damned if you don't (you lied to dame! you never made a trade offer for him!)
 
illmatic99 said:
Looks like this OG/Pascal stuff came from Lowe. Tending to believe it more.

Does anyone have espn+?
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/in...lazers-breakup-actually-began-eight-years-ago
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The important part is free:

NO TEAM ARRIVES at the crossroads the Portland Trail Blazers face now because of a single recent decision -- in this case Portland using the No. 3 pick on Scoot Henderson instead of trading the pick to appease Damian Lillard.

The Blazers' front office was sincere in its belief it could straddle two paths -- take Henderson, and work trades and free agency to build a competitive team around Lillard. It would be hard, and require luck. For Lillard, the odds of success were too long. That was a fair conclusion, too.

I have not heard convincing evidence that a sensible deal exchanging the No. 3 pick (and another player, likely Anfernee Simons) ever materialized for Portland. Moving up in the lottery -- jumping from No. 5 to No. 3 -- changed everything. For most talent evaluators, Henderson is better than the typical No. 3 pick -- maybe much better.

Trading a prospect that valuable for a veteran is a weighty decision. It has to be the right veteran -- available, reliable, good enough to put you into the inner circle of title contention, hopefully not so old you have completely knee-capped your future.

The Brooklyn Nets never showed interest in swapping Mikal Bridges for that Simons/No. 3 package, sources said; it's unclear if the teams discussed it. The Miami Heat chuckled at Portland potentially asking about Bam Adebayo.

The LA Clippers would push back on the notion that they genuinely explored Paul George's trade value, but if they had, you cannot flip Henderson for a 33-year-old who hasn't played in more than 56 games since 2018-19 -- let alone one eligible for a massive extension.

The New Orleans Pelicans and Toronto Raptors weren't ready on draft day to pivot away from Zion Williamson, Pascal Siakam, or O.G. Anunoby, sources have said. Williamson is a franchise-changer when healthy, but he's rarely healthy. Siakam and Anunoby are very good -- Siakam is an All-Star -- but would either have vaulted Portland into the ring of championship favorites?
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I heard lots of stuff about us trying to get both OG + Siakam in the same deal. I don't think even Masai would be dumb enough to decline #3/Simons for one of OG/Siakam.

The Zion stuff was Sharpe+3+Simons. Understandable why we turned that down.
 
RonBrewer said:
So Joe tried to get a trade done and still took Accountability on not getting it done for Dame and Dame still pissed and saying only Miami.

Seems legit.
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I'm leaning more and more towards Dame planning his exit for a while now. He got his money last summer and there was no reason to stick around. He was shooting Joe in the foot every chance he got to hurt our leverage in trades, and his mouth pieces have been really doing their best to try to make Joe out as the bad guy to justify Dame asking out.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He does say this - "I have not heard convincing evidence that a sensible deal exchanging the No. 3 pick (and another player, likely Anfernee Simons) ever materialized for Portland."
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I have no problem with using 3. With scoot on the board, there is too much value there.

My biggest issue since then was doing nothing with Ant/23/5 seconds/ free agency. I think Dame woulda been OK with Scoot on board if Cronin managed to do.... Something.... Anything.
 
illmatic99 said:
I have no problem with using 3. With scoot on the board, there is too much value there.

My biggest issue since then was doing nothing with Ant/23/5 seconds/ free agency. I think Dame woulda been OK with Scoot on board if Cronin managed to do.... Something.... Anything.
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I'm inclined to believe nothing material was available for that. Maybe KP? Certainly no two way wings.
 
illmatic99 said:
I have no problem with using 3. With scoot on the board, there is too much value there.

My biggest issue since then was doing nothing with Ant/23/5 seconds/ free agency. I think Dame woulda been OK with Scoot on board if Cronin managed to do.... Something.... Anything.
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I just don't agree.... Dame was pretty specific about wanting pieces to compete and I'm not sure what we could realistically get for Simons/23. We can't seem to get any nibbles on Simons as it is. What's the best case? Another RoCo or Nance caliber veteran? I don't think that's what Dame had in mind. I think he wanted a Robin to his Batman. It doesn't seem like Grant really fits that bill. I think Dame wanted Siakam or Bridges or Brown.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Agreed. At this point in their (albeit short) careers, Wiseman and Bagley are no more than throw-in's that you might take a flier on; certainly not primary pieces in a trade for a scorer like Herro
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Bagley is owed 12.5M each of the next 2 seasons; Wiseman is owed 12.1M. So they'd be really expensive and awkward throw-ins considering the Blazers are only 2M below the tax.

if Blazers are dumping Nurkic in a Dame trade, then I suppose, maybe, sure, take a flyer on Wiseman. I just don't think Portland will find much traction for adding Nurkic to a deal
 
illmatic99 said:
Then we can all understand Dame's frustration. Cronin oversold him and us.
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Of course. Don't blame Dame at all. I think our only avenue to get something done was to overpay for a good but flawed player with #3. It would be easier to trade the #5/#6 pick for Siakam/George, but a lot harder to justify with #3. I've said over and over that they chose Scoot over Dame and it is what it is.
 
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