Dame asks for trade (And there it is) (3 Viewers)

[Natebishop3]

I agree Brian. I've never understood how wanting to trade Aldridge instantly makes you a basher or a hater. I just think he wants to leave. I'm not sure if I'm in the tanking boat, but I don't see how we turn around the team completely in the next two years. Realistically we don't even have two years to convince him. We have to convince him next season, because after that it will be trade him during the offseason or trade him before the deadline, otherwise we risk losing him for nothing.

So we have one year to convince LaMarcus Aldridge that we will be competitive. Not sure what kind of progress he wants to see from us though.

Playoffs? Second round? What?

In a world where LMA decides to leave, would you rather:

A) Sign-and-trade for assets

B) Let him walk and use the cap space

C) Hold onto the cap space for next summer

(Wookie is forbidden from posting that Aldridge is staying in this thread because I said "in a world" so his logic is moot.)

I'm kinda leaning that way. There aren't any free agents this summer that I would really go after, at least nobody that could replace Aldridge.

Let's say we let Aldridge and Wes walk. I think I would also dump Batum at that point. Play Dame, CJ, Leonard and get a nice pick. Then use our cap space next summer. I think Lillard would put up huge numbers as the #1 option next year.

Ugh.. that last one was sadly prophetic.

Also here's a thread that got locked, so I can't quote it.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/aldridge-did-request-a-trade.239915/#post-3045924

 

[Whyachi]

"it worked out for us,
and I give most of the credit to Neil"

Nate... buddy... you're backing yourself into a corner.

 

[RonBrewer]

This thread right now

 

[theprunetang]

Remove Orlando which has nice weather and low taxes, and I'd put in the papers to commission a statue of Cronin if he did that. Then I'd make sure we had Street Buskers pretending to be Cronin Statues haunt Dame wherever he was.

Orlando does not have nice weather. Neither does any inland city in Florida, honestly. The sea breeze is the only thing that makes Florida livable. Orlando is a sprawling, suburban, sweaty nightmare. I live in Tallahassee, so you might just have to trust me.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Orlando does not have nice weather. Neither does any inland city in Florida, honestly. The sea breeze is the only thing that makes Florida livable. Orlando is a sprawling, suburban, sweaty nightmare. I live in Tallahassee, so you might just have to trust me.

I travel to Florida several times a year for work. Not a fan of Orlando either. But comparably speaking weatherwise, it is pretty nice during the basketball season. Certainly nicer than 75% of the other NBA cities. There is a reason why so many professional golfers live there.

 

[Natebishop3]

"it worked out for us,
and I give most of the credit to Neil"

Nate... buddy... you're backing yourself into a corner.

One sentence out of 10 posts? Lol

 

[Idog1976]

Your posts on this are full of shit.

Find one post here where Blazers fans wanted to trade Aldridge in the summer of 2014 after Dame won the first Blazers playoff series in 14 years on the 0.9 shot. Aldridge had two monster games in the series setting it all up.

Aldridge said he wanted to retire a Blazer that summer and all Blazer fans were good running that team back. An extension couldn't be completed due to cap rules.

What some fans thought 12 months prior when the Blazers finished the year losing 13 straight or 12 months later when Aldridge walked for nothing after Wes Achilles snapped were totally different periods of time.

I'm all for criticizing the shit moves Neil did but running the Blazers team back with Aldridge in 2014 was absolutely the right move. That was the best roster Portland had since 2000 or since.

Sucks it didn't work out. Sucks Aldridge plans changed on a whim. Sucks we lost Aldridge for zero assets.

But this revisionist misleading "I told you so" statements are totally untrue back then as well as now.

Um, I posted that we should trade Aldridge when he had one year left. I think it was on Blazers Edge though. I wanted to trade Aldridge for, no joke, the then injured Joel Embiid. So I just want to say, that's not accurate if that was indeed the summer when he had 1 year left and hadn't resigned. I said we should trade him when he was on his last year whatever summer that was, which might not have been that summer.

 

[Idog1976]

Orlando does not have nice weather. Neither does any inland city in Florida, honestly. The sea breeze is the only thing that makes Florida livable. Orlando is a sprawling, suburban, sweaty nightmare. I live in Tallahassee, so you might just have to trust me.

I didn't know that. I assumed the home of Disney World would have good weather similar to Miami and therefore tons of hot women and nightlife. If I'm wrong, well then OK. I do like sending Dame to a bad team for a huge haul now.

 

[theprunetang]

I didn't know that. I assumed the home of Disney World would have good weather similar to Miami and therefore tons of hot women and nightlife. If I'm wrong, well then OK. I do like sending Dame to a bad team for a huge haul now.

Weather, and whether it is perceived as good or bad, is always subjective. Orlando basically has all of the heat of Miami, but without the ocean climate to cool you down. It is currently 97 degrees there with 50% humidity. I consider that absolutely horrific, with no real breeze to cool you off, but there are some people who enjoy that, I suppose.

 

[BigGameDamian]

True sort of. A little new info and some sound. Not released yet? No idea why?

 

[riverman]

 

[riverman]

Interesting he chose Portland for his album drop..

 

[blazerkor]

Interesting he chose Portland for his album drop..

He loves this city. He made it clear many many times that the front office needed to do more and do it urgently in order for him to realize his dream of staying with our team for his whole career and competing for titles.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He loves this city. He made it clear many many times that the front office needed to do more and do it urgently in order for him to realize his dream of staying with our team for his whole career and competing for titles.

He also made it clear that he loves that money and bolted the second he could after signing his supermax deal. Something he didn’t need to do if he wasn’t happy

 

[sheed30]

This thread right now

It’s so cringe the back and forth, and quite frankly who cares!

you guys need to get off the keyboard and go enjoy life sometimes lol

 

[sheed30]

He also made it clear that he loves that money and bolted the second he could after signing his supermax deal. Something he didn’t need to do if he wasn’t happy

Come on man, why you trying to spin it like that.

Nothing has to do with the current state of our team, not improving in the off-season and us drafting a PG, same position as him?

you really think he signed that contract last offseason with the thought in mind he will ask out asap when he could? Come on man

 

[RonBrewer]

It’s so cringe the back and forth, and quite frankly who cares!

you guys need to get off the keyboard and go enjoy life sometimes lol

Internet is serious bid'ness for some

 

[kjironman1]

Internet is serious bid'ness for some

Is Ron Brewer still at Arkansas?

 

[RonBrewer]

Is Ron Brewer still at Arkansas?

Ronnie is. He is an assistant Coach. He was actually born in Portland when Pops was drafted

 

[kjironman1]

Ronnie is. He is an assistant Coach. He was actually born in Portland when Pops was drafted

#7 pick I just read. I did not remember that.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Come on man, why you trying to spin it like that.

Nothing has to do with the current state of our team, not improving in the off-season and us drafting a PG, same position as him?

you really think he signed that contract last offseason with the thought in mind he will ask out asap when he could? Come on man

Dame has been unhappy with the front office for a few years. He could have easily left after his contract and gone wherever he wanted. Instead he took the money and demanded 1 team

Fuck him

 

[HailBlazers]

Instead he took the money and demanded 1 team

Period?

 

[blazerkor]

Dame has been unhappy with the front office for a few years. He could have easily left after his contract and gone wherever he wanted. Instead he took the money and demanded 1 team

Fuck him

He also could have demanded a trade in 2022, gotten traded and been eligible for a supermax extension with his new team right now. The idea that Dame played this franchise is ridiculous. The guy expected the franchise to do what they said they would, otherwise he would have asked out at any time before he signed that extension and been eligible for a supermax with his new team either an extension or if he'd have asked out last off season, he would have been eligible for a supermax contract this upcoming off season. The guy still had the requisite two years on his contract that you need with a team to be eligible for a supermax.

Dame didn't play the Blazers, our front office played him and they did it too many fucking times. He was in the midst of the best season of his career this past season and could have definitely pushed the roster he had into the play-ins at least but he sat out and he didn't sit out so he could demand a trade, he sat out so we could increase our assets and build a contender around him immediately. What did he get for cutting off his best season early? The team drafted his 19 year old replacement.

That's how you get a guy whose dream was to only play for one team his whole career and just have a chance to win it all with them. Jerk him around a lot of times and then when he signifies that he isn't going to be jerked around anymore, try his patience again.

 

[Natebishop3]

He also could have demanded a trade in 2022, gotten traded and been eligible for a supermax extension with his new team right now. The idea that Dame played this franchise is ridiculous. The guy expected the franchise to do what they said they would, otherwise he would have asked out at any time before he signed that extension and been eligible for a supermax with his new team either an extension or if he'd have asked out last off season, he would have been eligible for a supermax contract this upcoming off season. The guy still had the requisite two years on his contract that you need with a team to be eligible for a supermax.

Dame didn't play the Blazers, our front office played him and they did it too many fucking times. He was in the midst of the best season of his career this past season and could have definitely pushed the roster he had into the play-ins at least but he sat out and he didn't sit out so he could demand a trade, he sat out so we could increase our assets and build a contender around him immediately. What did he get for cutting off his best season early? The team drafted his 19 year old replacement.

That's how you get a guy whose dream was to only play for one team his whole career and just have a chance to win it all with them. Jerk him around a lot of times and then when he signifies that he isn't going to be jerked around anymore, try his patience again.

Nope. He would not have been eligible for the 35% super max with another team.

 

[wizenheimer]

Nope. He would not have been eligible for the 35% super max with another team.

Are you sure? He's an 11t year vet so he'd get the 35% simply as CBA scale. And if he signed an extension this summer, it could have been a 3 year extension instead of 2 year. So he could have had a 3rd year for 68-69M

 

[Natebishop3]

Are you sure? He's an 11t year vet so he'd get the 35% simply as CBA scale. And if he signed an extension this summer, it could have been a 3 year extension instead of 2 year. So he could have had a 3rd year for 68-69M

This part isn't super clear.

https://www.spotrac.com/spots/criteria-for-a-supermax-extensions-1218/

Designated/"SuperMax" Extension Types

Designated Rookie Extension

Player is entering the 4th year of rookie scale contract, maximum salary starts at 25% of the cap (30% based on criteria below) with a maximum of six (6) years (which includes the remaining year on the current contract).

A player with fewer than seven (7) years of experience and mets the criteria for the 30% of the cap is said to be eligible for the "Derrick Rose Rule," name for Derrick Rose who won the MVP during his third season in the NBA.

Designated Veteran Extension

Player has 7 or 8 years of experience and has 1 or 2 years remaining on their current contract (all with with the same team or was traded during first four years in the NBA) and meets the criteria below is eligible for a maximum salary that starts at 35% of the cap with a maximum of six (6) years (which includes the remaining years on the current contract).



Who applies for this increase:

(A) Players finishing their rookie scale contract and other players having been credited with four (4) years of service can receive a starting salary up to 30% of the cap.

(B) Players finishing their rookie scale extension or other players having seven to nine (7-9) years of experience can receive a starting salary up to 35% of the cap.

 

[wizenheimer]

This part isn't super clear.

https://www.spotrac.com/spots/criteria-for-a-supermax-extensions-1218/

Designated/"SuperMax" Extension Types

Designated Rookie Extension

Player is entering the 4th year of rookie scale contract, maximum salary starts at 25% of the cap (30% based on criteria below) with a maximum of six (6) years (which includes the remaining year on the current contract).

A player with fewer than seven (7) years of experience and mets the criteria for the 30% of the cap is said to be eligible for the "Derrick Rose Rule," name for Derrick Rose who won the MVP during his third season in the NBA.

Designated Veteran Extension

Player has 7 or 8 years of experience and has 1 or 2 years remaining on their current contract (all with with the same team or was traded during first four years in the NBA) and meets the criteria below is eligible for a maximum salary that starts at 35% of the cap with a maximum of six (6) years (which includes the remaining years on the current contract).



Who applies for this increase:

(A) Players finishing their rookie scale contract and other players having been credited with four (4) years of service can receive a starting salary up to 30% of the cap.

(B) Players finishing their rookie scale extension or other players having seven to nine (7-9) years of experience can receive a starting salary up to 35% of the cap.

there is no super-max for players with 10 years experience as far as I can tell. It's for players to get a bump above scale from 25%-->30% or 30%-->35%. Once a player has 10 years in, they are eligible for the max allowed salary which is either 35% of the cap, or the max raise from the previous salary (which allows the player to exceed 35%; at least it did in the previous CBA)

the extension is capped at 5 season which includes season left on current contracts. Last season, Dame had 3 seasons left of his deal so he could only sign a 2 year extension. If he was signing one this summer, it could be for 3 more seasons. So he could have 'waited'. But he also was coming off his worst season because of a chronic injury. There was no guarantee he's recover or that he wouldn't get re-injured

 

[RonBrewer]

He also could have demanded a trade in 2022, gotten traded and been eligible for a supermax extension with his new team right now. The idea that Dame played this franchise is ridiculous. The guy expected the franchise to do what they said they would, otherwise he would have asked out at any time before he signed that extension and been eligible for a supermax with his new team either an extension or if he'd have asked out last off season, he would have been eligible for a supermax contract this upcoming off season. The guy still had the requisite two years on his contract that you need with a team to be eligible for a supermax.

Dame didn't play the Blazers, our front office played him and they did it too many fucking times. He was in the midst of the best season of his career this past season and could have definitely pushed the roster he had into the play-ins at least but he sat out and he didn't sit out so he could demand a trade, he sat out so we could increase our assets and build a contender around him immediately. What did he get for cutting off his best season early? The team drafted his 19 year old replacement.

That's how you get a guy whose dream was to only play for one team his whole career and just have a chance to win it all with them. Jerk him around a lot of times and then when he signifies that he isn't going to be jerked around anymore, try his patience again.

I used to think i was the Number one Dame fan. Not even close

 

[Ripcity4life77]

There is a select number of fans who believe Dame got played then there are the fans that think Dame is the bad guy and the Blazers did little to no wrong to Dame. I have written many time I believe Dame got played and I believe I am right and I would bet a lot on that BUT I am sure there are things from both sides we have not heard or what we heard is only partly right. This is why I say we prolly will not know exactly what happened to cause this rift between Dame and the Blazers for years prolly until Dame retires and / or Jody sells the team and then add a handful of years. This is a big reason why I have gone away from trying to push that truth to being more upset when I see fans turn on Dame and such but again time with tell who was the bad guy or IF there was a bad guy at all.

I talk a ton of crap mostly out of being annoyed etc and I should not let certain trolls bait me but I will defend Dame until the die I die OR he gives me a reason not too. I am done trying to talk sense into some of the clowns on this forum and not talking about people who have legit opinions but talking about the fans ( so -called ) who are getting off on ripping into Dame just to get reactions.

 

[riverman]

I think the bad guy is the guy who was fired by Kevin Durant and fired by Lebron James...Aaron Goodwin. Dame doesn't control his contract or trade rights. That's not something he can dictate so I think he got really bad advice from his agent first of all. All GM's have to balance projections, speculation and possibility in a fluid manner...you can't make a player come to Portland that doesn't want to come here and you can't make a team trade a player you want for a player you have....that narrative about Joe I don't believe. I think he's transparent as you can be in his position. He's not losing his job over Aaron Goodwin's playbook. He admitted he failed to get the guys he wanted and that the draft picks were better than what was on the table...Dame should know this. When asked if there was fair market value for Dame Joe said emphatically, "no there is not" and he's right.