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Nate that is one of your dumbest takes yet and the reason Dame has not been traded yet is Cronin has screwed this up so bad that he is slowly becoming heck maybe he already is a laughing stock of a GM in NBA circles. This whole Dame situation is what backs up my argument that they lied to Dame cause IF they would have had a plan to phase Dame out after landing Scoot this would all be a mute point but it's not. Instead we are in the middle of a complete cluster fire that Joe and Vulcan has created just because it could not shoot straight with Dame. This is the truth like it or not this is it and IF you want to be a dumb ass lemming of a fan who believes the BS this front office shovels out go for it but just know your the one who is going to be made to look like a clown not me or others who know the real deal of it all. ---
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Nate that is one of your dumbest takes yet and the reason Dame has not been traded yet is Cronin has screwed this up so bad that he is slowly becoming heck maybe he already is a laughing stock of a GM in NBA circles. This whole Dame situation is what backs up my argument that they lied to Dame cause IF they would have had a plan to phase Dame out after landing Scoot this would all be a mute point but it's not. Instead we are in the middle of a complete cluster fire that Joe and Vulcan has created just because it could not shoot straight with Dame. This is the truth like it or not this is it and IF you want to be a dumb ass lemming of a fan who believes the BS this front office shovels out go for it but just know your the one who is going to be made to look like a clown not me or others who know the real deal of it all. ---
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It isn't a "take."

It's a question. You guys seriously need to learn the difference.
 
inconceivable said:
Let's say a non Miami team offers waaaay better than Miami for Dame.

Joe comes to Dame, "would you be willing to go there?"

Dame says, No I only wanna go to Miami (imagine annoying stubborn baby voice)

Joe resonds, "if you're in my shoes, would you trade Dame to Miami given the other team's offer?"

As an entrepreneur himself, Dame gotta know this is business. This is a career-defining trade in Joe's young GM career. He wants to have a job after Dame.
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There's two scenarios here:

Cronin didn't tell Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go and Dame understands the business side of it despite being unhappy.
Cronin did tell Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go and is going back on his word, which would piss Dame off.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Nate that is one of your dumbest takes yet and the reason Dame has not been traded yet is Cronin has screwed this up so bad that he is slowly becoming heck maybe he already is a laughing stock of a GM in NBA circles. This whole Dame situation is what backs up my argument that they lied to Dame cause IF they would have had a plan to phase Dame out after landing Scoot this would all be a mute point but it's not. Instead we are in the middle of a complete cluster fire that Joe and Vulcan has created just because it could not shoot straight with Dame. This is the truth like it or not this is it and IF you want to be a dumb ass lemming of a fan who believes the BS this front office shovels out go for it but just know your the one who is going to be made to look like a clown not me or others who know the real deal of it all. ---
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Everything the Portland Trailblazers owes Dame is outlined in his player contract. Beyond that they can hypothesize about what each party would like to see as a roster, but Joe Cronin will always do what is best for the organization, period. Dame knows this but is not saying he knows this. Same for Goodwin. For the life of me I can not understand where anyone can say Joe/Vulcan/Blazers lied to Dame. The contract precludes that possibility. And again, everyone knows Joe best do what is best for the organization, always, unless instructed by Jody otherwise. If Dame wanted control over roster decisions he should have negotiated that into his contract. Seems he did not.
 
Nate do not even try and back track on me -- you put a question mark on the end but your not really asking a question more stating that you think that could be the case and wondering if others believe as you do. Do not try and pull that BS with me and own your own opinion. I can admit when I am wrong and such but some cannot so look in the mirror and you might just see one yourself but maybe I am wrong but i doubt it at least on this one.
 
Whyachi said:
wtf Danny Marang on Locked on Blazers today, sabotaging a perfectly decent Blazers podcast.

Mike begins to say cool stuff about Lillard, then asks Danny what more does Lillard need to do to get big time trade offers from other teams.

Danny responds, "he needs to show he's STILL THAT GUY, and there's zero drop off."

C'mon Dame, one more year, MVP time, 40 points a night, you got this, we love you, we promise to trade you asap... PLEASE

> correct me if I'm wrong with that interpretation

Mike's question starts @22:27

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Dame needs to show he's still that guy?

He literally showed he's still that guy and more. Best career year. How is he going to play his way into more trade value at this point?
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Nate do not even try and back track on me -- you put a question mark on the end but your not really asking a question more stating that you think that could be the case and wondering if others believe as you do. Do not try and pull that BS with me and own your own opinion. I can admit when I am wrong and such but some cannot so look in the mirror and you might just see one yourself but maybe I am wrong but i doubt it at least on this one.
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LOL

"One thing that might be hurting his value is that the guy hasn't played much in the past two years."

Yeah, I really took firm position on this "hot take." If I had said that Dame's injuries for the past two seasons ARE hurting his value, that would be a hot take.
 
BonesJones said:
Dame needs to show he's still that guy?

He literally showed he's still that guy and more. Best career year. How is he going to play his way into more trade value at this point?
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exactly, I'm perplexed at Marang's latest input. Like I said previously, does Lillard have to become hands down the best player in the NBA before the Blazers finally let him go? It's not rational thinking, I don't want to be mean, but it sounds like pure insanity.
 
Natebishop3 said:
LOL

"One thing that might be hurting his value is that the guy hasn't played much in the past two years."

Yeah, I really took firm position on this "hot take." If I had said that Dame's injuries for the past two seasons ARE hurting his value, that would be a hot take.
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We've broken down so many variables why teams either can't, or dont want to trade for Lillard.

Damian plays a specific position, Point Guard. A lot of teams already have an awesome PG.

Cronin signed Lillard to a supermax extension. Many teams do not have cap room.

Damian is a winner. Rebuilding teams like Portland aren't going to relinquish future picks to acquire Lillard and accidentally win a bunch of games.

Really good teams have burned up most their future assets to build a winner. Any Dame trade to a good team will not net much return.

Looking for a Rudy Gobert 6 pick trade from a mediocre team is pointless. Only Minnesota is dumb enough to pull off one of the most idiotic trades in history.

oh... and Lillard went public with "Miami only"

Implying Dame needs to grab that Blazer jersey and continue playing perfectly healthy MVP level ball. That skips completely over what everyone saw last season. .

Highly efficient 50, 60, 71 point games isnt enough? We aint trading Lillard until he drops 100?
 
BonesJones said:
There's two scenarios here:

Cronin didn't tell Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go and Dame understands the business side of it despite being unhappy.
Cronin did tell Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go and is going back on his word, which would piss Dame off.
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Isn’t Dame already pissed off?
 
BonesJones said:
There's two scenarios here:

Cronin didn't tell Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go and Dame understands the business side of it despite being unhappy.
Cronin did tell Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go and is going back on his word, which would piss Dame off.
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Cronin could have told Dame he'd trade him where he wants but now there is a big misunderstanding of the specifics of that statement. Dame might think he gets to go wherever he wants. Cronin may think the Blazers are entitled to a similar talent return.

Maybe one party is at fault or maybe both are or maybe neither are.

This is why there are contracts for these things. Verbal casual agreements are not enforceable for a reason.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
That's a really convenient way to ignore context. He had a well-publicized injury and surgery in 21-22. And after returning from that, he had the best season of his career (missing 10 games for season-end tanking).

I seriously doubt anyone is legitimately concerned about Dame's long-term health.
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Nathan Bishop is trying to paint a picture that if we take Miami’s shit offer it will because we had no choice so he can protect his boy Cronin.

Bad take there Nathan
 
blazerkor said:
Dame speaks:
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He said he has a lot of love and respect for the blazers but doesnt want to talk about the blazers.

I can respect that.

I do want to hear how he feels about either A) Only choosing Miami or B) Why he never stopped his agent from only saying Miami. One if not both are true and thats what I want to know because thats my beef with Dame. Not the trade request, but the reason he is so adamant on one team.
 
Strenuus said:
He said he has a lot of love and respect for the blazers but doesnt want to talk about the blazers.

I can respect that.

I do want to hear how he feels about either A) Only choosing Miami or B) Why he never stopped his agent from only saying Miami. One if not both are true and thats what I want to know because thats my beef with Dame. Not the trade request, but the reason he is so adamant on one team.
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Its mis-communication.

I'm sure Cronin told Dame that if it ever came to it, that Cronin would help Dame get to where he wanted to be. That comes with a caveat of 'assuming the return is reasonable'.

From the CJ and Hart trades, Cronin helped both players get to a good situation. I think with both players, there were 2-3 trade possibilities on the table (based on subsequent reports and comments). Cronin was able to say to both, "Do you want to go to A or B teams?"

I'm sure Cronin envisioned a similar approach, where he gave Dame 3 options to choose from. Dame assumed that he could 'pick his team'.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Its mis-communication.

I'm sure Cronin told Dame that if it ever came to it, that Cronin would help Dame get to where he wanted to be. That comes with a caveat of 'assuming the return is reasonable'.

From the CJ and Hart trades, Cronin helped both players get to a good situation. I think with both players, there were 2-3 trade possibilities on the table (based on subsequent reports and comments). Cronin was able to say to both, "Do you want to go to A or B teams?"

I'm sure Cronin envisioned a similar approach, where he gave Dame 3 options to choose from. Dame assumed that he could 'pick his team'.
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That's why I want to hear it from him.

This is all assumptions and slightly educated guesses.
 
Nobody has refuted that Dame said he wants to be traded to Miami, and only Miami.
Kevin Durant played 39 games for Brooklyn last season. Dame should be expecting the same.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Its mis-communication.

I'm sure Cronin told Dame that if it ever came to it, that Cronin would help Dame get to where he wanted to be. That comes with a caveat of 'assuming the return is reasonable'.

From the CJ and Hart trades, Cronin helped both players get to a good situation. I think with both players, there were 2-3 trade possibilities on the table (based on subsequent reports and comments). Cronin was able to say to both, "Do you want to go to A or B teams?"

I'm sure Cronin envisioned a similar approach, where he gave Dame 3 options to choose from. Dame assumed that he could 'pick his team'.
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my aliens on Mars conspiracy theory (Cronin may have offered to send Lillard to an even worse team then Portland) didn't relate well on this forum. It fell flat. One of ya'll freaked out and accused me of starting rumors. STOP IT! Its a chat room, were talking Blazers, i'm not posting new threads or hashtagging anything.

... anyways, Whyachi speculation *read at own risk
(better ??)

What if Blazers FO was not honestly evaluating the team during Lillard's trade meeting? Maybe the managers were pretending like Portland was a spectacular squad that can hang with anyone?

The embarrassing losses easily overlapped the impressive victories last year. Implying Portland is not a cellar dwelling tank team is straight up PR stuff. Don't bring that garbage into a tense discussion room with your superstar leader. Lillard was actually on the court trying his best to keep the Blazers from getting hammered.
 
Did you guys see Dame's interview with Marc Stein today? He says that his loyalty thing is actually, "I have always said I will stay loyal to myself".

Aside from being a lie, it's such a stupid comment. Who isn't loyal to themself?

I can't believe what a bullshit this guy had become, overnight.
 
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Stevenson said:
Did you guys see Dame's interview with Marc Stein today? He says that his loyalty thing is actually, "I have always said I will stay loyal to myself".

Aside from being a lie, it's such a stupid comment. Who isn't loyal to themself?

I can't believe wha a bullshit this guy had become, overnight.
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I caught that. Such bullshit. Wonder if some in here will cry about dame lying
 
Stevenson said:
Did you guys see Dame's interview with Marc Stein today? He says that his loyalty thing is actually, "I have always said I will stay loyal to myself".

Aside from being a lie, it's such a stupid comment. Who isn't loyal to themself?

I can't believe wha a bullshit this guy had become, overnight.
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It's actually in the same interview I think as the one posted. But yeah that stuck out to me.

Of course you're loyal to yourself. What we loved about him is he was loyal to us. That didn't come across. Had he said "I used to be loyal to Portland and I'm not anymore" I'd understand it and respect that he said it. But implying it just feels weird. Lol. I'm reading way too much into it and I'm an idiot by default sooo...
 
Stevenson said:
Did you guys see Dame's interview with Marc Stein today? He says that his loyalty thing is actually, "I have always said I will stay loyal to myself".

Aside from being a lie, it's such a stupid comment. Who isn't loyal to themself?

I can't believe wha a bullshit this guy had become, overnight.
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I don't know, man, that's pretty funny, like something from Dumb and Dumber, or something a toddler might say.
 
Strenuus said:
It's actually in the same interview I think as the one posted. But yeah that stuck out to me.

Of course you're loyal to yourself. What we loved about him is he was loyal to us. That didn't come across. Had he said "I used to be loyal to Portland and I'm not anymore" I'd understand it and respect that he said it. But implying it just feels weird. Lol. I'm reading way too much into it and I'm an idiot by default sooo...
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"Idiot by default" would be a much better tagline than "Global moderator."
 
You guys are so silly can you not read between the lines --- the trust he had with the Blazers front office has been broken now how that was broken is up for debate and all but something happened to make him not be loyal. If you really believe Dame has turned into a fake ass PoS or he was full of it all these years then your a clown. Someone might be able to "fake it " for a couple of years or so but eventually fake people slip up and expose themselves. If you really believe Dame is that fake then hell he needs to retire from the NBA and become and actor cause he would for sure win an Oscar if that is true but it's not so screw that noise.

Some of you are just looking for a reason to make the fact you have turned YOUR back on him seem right that you will now twist everything he says into justification for your own actions of betrayal and that is sad and pathetic but i guess that would sum up a portion of this forum as of late.
 
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