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wizenheimer said:
do you think Barnes is really an elite defender?

and would you trade Dame for Barnes?
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No, I think he is a very good and versatile defender with potential to be elite.
I wouldn't trade him straight up. But I like Barnes as a headliner far more than Jovic and/or Vasquez. He at least has shown two way potential. And very good playmaking out of the wing position.
 
RR7 said:
No, I think he is a very good and versatile defender with potential to be elite.
I wouldn't trade him straight up. But I like Barnes as a headliner far more than Jovic and/or Vasquez. He at least has shown two way potential. And very good playmaking out of the wing position.
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that's fine. I got into this because people were saying. or at least implying, that Barnes would be about the best return for Dame they could imagine. As long as he came with another decent player, plus expiring filler, PLUS at least a couple of future first's, and a swap. Maybe then

as for Jovic/Jaquez, that we're even debating their value in a Dame trade shows how shitty a Miami trade would be
 
wizenheimer said:
that's fine. I got into this because people were saying. or at least implying, that Barnes would be about the best return for Dame they could imagine. As long as he came with another decent player, plus expiring filler, PLUS at least a couple of future first's, and a swap. Maybe then

as for Jovic/Jaquez, that we're even debating their value in a Dame trade shows how shitty a Miami trade would be
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I think he's about the best CENTERPIECE of a deal that seems realistic at this point.
 
RR7 said:
I think he's about the best CENTERPIECE of a deal that seems realistic at this point.
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We drafted Kris and Rayan based on potential. In exchange for Dame, we should get a LEGIT starter 4 or 5

I view Grant as 3 because of hia poor rebounding
 
inconceivable said:
We drafted Kris and Rayan based on potential. In exchange for Dame, we should get a LEGIT starter 4 or 5

I view Grant as 3 because of hia poor rebounding
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Easier said than done. What team has a LEGIT 4/5 that would also be in the market for Dame?
 
RR7 said:
Easier said than done. What team has a LEGIT 4/5 that would also be in the market for Dame?
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A lot of these things won't be known until the season is underway and some teams find themselves behind where they expected.
 
inconceivable said:
Multi-team trade allows a team with a legit 4/5 who has no interest in Dame get value in return
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I'd be interested to see what you think was an option, if Barnes isn't considered a legit 4, who better than him do you realistically think we can get from a 3rd team?
 
RR7 said:
I'd be interested to see what you think was an option, if Barnes isn't considered a legit 4, who better than him do you realistically think we can get from a 3rd team?
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I think people are being unrealistic about what kind of value Dame actually has right now. I also think they're not factoring in that this team is at square one in a rebuild.... maybe square two since we have Scoot and Sharpe so we're not building from complete scratch. We just need young talented players. The position is sort of irrelevant.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think people are being unrealistic about what kind of value Dame actually has right now. I also think they're not factoring in that this team is at square one in a rebuild.... maybe square two since we have Scoot and Sharpe so we're not building from complete scratch. We just need young talented players. The position is sort of irrelevant.
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I mean, ideally it is a 3/4/5 brought in, but I agree, we're ahead of a full tear down, because we've already found 2 guys we think can be cornerpieces. Usually teams start off searching for that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think people are being unrealistic about what kind of value Dame actually has right now. I also think they're not factoring in that this team is at square one in a rebuild.... maybe square two since we have Scoot and Sharpe so we're not building from complete scratch. We just need young talented players. The position is sort of irrelevant.
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If Dame's value is so low in a trade, there's no reason to trade him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think people are being unrealistic about what kind of value Dame actually has right now. I also think they're not factoring in that this team is at square one in a rebuild.... maybe square two since we have Scoot and Sharpe so we're not building from complete scratch. We just need young talented players. The position is sort of irrelevant.
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Honestly I just think we need assets, whether that's more young prospects or draft picks we just need to get the best assets we can for Dame and then after watching how our prospects play this season move forward from there. I also think we should pick up some high character vets either as salary filler in the Dame trade or on vet min contracts, so someone is around who can show our young hopefully future stars how to be pros.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Can you give some examples of legit 4s or 5s?
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Zion Williamson
Domantas Sabonis
Lauri Markkanen
Jaren Jackson Jr
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Banchero
Holmgren
Keegan Murray
Jabari Smith Jr
Ben Mathurin
Jeremy Sochan
Walker Kessler
Tari Eason
Jalen Duren
DeAndre Ayton
Robert Williams
Brandon Miller
Jarace Walker
Taylor Hendricks
 
inconceivable said:
Zion Williamson
Domantas Sabonis
Lauri Markkanen
Jaren Jackson Jr
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Banchero
Holmgren
Keegan Murray
Jabari Smith Jr
Ben Mathurin
Jeremy Sochan
Walker Kessler
Tari Eason
Jalen Duren
DeAndre Ayton
Robert Williams
Brandon Miller
Jarace Walker
Taylor Hendricks
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It's a good list but Miller is a reach as a 4 and Mathurin just doesn't belong.
 
blazerfan11 said:
If Dame's value is so low in a trade, there's no reason to trade him.
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I support this.

Giannis has hinted on not extemding making him available in 2 years

Embiid could ask out soon

Any teams acquiring Dame will be hurting their chances at those two should they become available.
 
inconceivable said:
I support this.

Giannis has hinted on not extemding making him available in 2 years

Embiid could ask out soon

Any teams acquiring Dame will be hurting their chances at those two should they become available.
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It's going to be a very interesting season!
Lots of new talent from the 2022 and 2023 drafts along with a new reigning first-time NBA champion.
 
blazerfan11 said:
If Dame's value is so low in a trade, there's no reason to trade him.
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Okay..........

So what do you do with Scoot? With Sharpe? With Ant?

Let's say I have season tickets, but I need to move away from Portland. There's 15 games left in the season and I want to sell those 15 games. Would you say that I have a limited time to sell them for any value before they're worthless? And as the season wears down, the value that I can extract from those tickets will continue to go down?

Dame is 33. He himself says that he maybe only has 3 seasons where he will continue to play at a high level. Do you think his value will go up, stay the same, or go down as he continues to age?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Okay..........

So what do you do with Scoot? With Sharpe? With Ant?

Let's say I have season tickets, but I need to move away from Portland. There's 15 games left in the season and I want to sell those 15 games. Would you say that I have a limited time to sell them for any value before they're worthless? And as the season wears down, the value that I can extract from those tickets will continue to go down?

Dame is 33. He himself says that he maybe only has 3 seasons where he will continue to play at a high level. Do you think his value will go up, stay the same, or go down as he continues to age?
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I will say the assets so far offered aren't good enough for me to give up on three more seasons of Damian Lillard.

I would change my position if the Blazers aren't a top-8 team with Lillard. Then I might think of trading him for even the current offer.

In any case, the Blazers best option , unless a great trade offer appears, is to keep Dame and play him until a better offer appears.

Roster decisions are difficult for many teams. That's not something that should be or needs to be decided now.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I will say the assets so far offered aren't good enough for me to give up on three more seasons of Damian Lillard.

I would change my position if the Blazers aren't a top-8 team with Lillard. Then I might think of trading him for even the current offer.

In any case, the Blazers best option , unless a great trade offer appears, is to keep Dame and play him until a better offer appears.

Roster decisions are difficult for many teams. That's not something that should be or needs to be decided now.
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Do you even know what those assets offered are? How do you know if they are good enough or not?
 
inconceivable said:
Zion Williamson
Domantas Sabonis
Lauri Markkanen
Jaren Jackson Jr
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Banchero
Holmgren
Keegan Murray
Jabari Smith Jr
Ben Mathurin
Jeremy Sochan
Walker Kessler
Tari Eason
Jalen Duren
DeAndre Ayton
Robert Williams
Brandon Miller
Jarace Walker
Taylor Hendricks
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I guess I'm confused why you quoted me saying Barnes would be a good centerpiece to a Dame deal by mentioning we already have PROSPECTS, we need a :EGIT 4/5, and then go on to list Barnes as a legit 4/5?

Also seems silly to have quoted me in such a way, and then list Hendricks, Walker, Eason, Sochan when those guys are nothing but potential at this point.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I will say the assets so far offered aren't good enough for me to give up on three more seasons of Damian Lillard.

I would change my position if the Blazers aren't a top-8 team with Lillard. Then I might think of trading him for even the current offer.

In any case, the Blazers best option , unless a great trade offer appears, is to keep Dame and play him until a better offer appears.

Roster decisions are difficult for many teams. That's not something that should be or needs to be decided now.
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An asset is only worth what people are willing to pay for it, and that is dictated by the market.

How big of a market is there for a 33 year old 6'3 point guard who doesn't play defense and is being paid a shit ton of money?

Three more years of Dame is three fewer years of Scoot starting at point guard. That makes no sense if the plan is to rebuild. The team has to weigh all the factors, which includes the impact on the young guys.

In a vacuum, you have something you want to sell/trade, you know how much you want to get for that asset, and you get what you want. Unfortunately it doesn't always work that way. If there aren't many people interested in your asset, that limits your options on what you can get for it. Even if your asset is worth more, if you don't have time to wait for a better offer, sometimes you have to take what you can get. My gas oven has been sitting in my garage for three weeks because nobody has made an offer. I keep lowering the price. Eventually I will hit a price that someone is willing to pay. I could keep it at a price and just wait for as long as it takes to get someone, but I don't need that oven anymore and I want it out of my garage. So I keep lowering the price.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Do you even know what those assets offered are? How do you know if they are good enough or not?
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Dame has limited being traded to one team.
Answer this question: What motivation does that team have to give up anything significant that may affect winning in the upcoming season?

Do you think making a trade with Miami right now is the best course of action?
 
Natebishop3 said:
An asset is only worth what people are willing to pay for it, and that is dictated by the market.

How big of a market is there for a 33 year old 6'3 point guard who doesn't play defense and is being paid a shit ton of money?

Three more years of Dame is three fewer years of Scoot starting at point guard. That makes no sense if the plan is to rebuild. The team has to weigh all the factors, which includes the impact on the young guys.

In a vacuum, you have something you want to sell/trade, you know how much you want to get for that asset, and you get what you want. Unfortunately it doesn't always work that way. If there aren't many people interested in your asset, that limits your options on what you can get for it. Even if your asset is worth more, if you don't have time to wait for a better offer, sometimes you have to take what you can get. My gas oven has been sitting in my garage for three weeks because nobody has made an offer. I keep lowering the price. Eventually I will hit a price that someone is willing to pay. I could keep it at a price and just wait for as long as it takes to get someone, but I don't need that oven anymore and I want it out of my garage. So I keep lowering the price.
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You are assuming Scoot and Dame can't start in the backcourt.
Why?
Scoot's bigger than McCollum and Simons. He's 6' 3 1/2" and solid as a rock.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The Blazers (as currently constructed) aren't a top-8 team with Lillard. That's almost a certainty.
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No, it's not "almost a certainty."

After watching last season, your conclusion seems nearly ridiculous.

Even after losing their main bench veteran, Justise Winslow, the Blazers were 1 game under .500 in early February.

Nurkic only played 2 minutes in the month of February on February 1st.

On February 5th, the Blazers were 1 game out of the 8th seed, 1.5 games out of the 7th and 6th seed, 2 games out of the 5th seed, and 2.5 games out of the 4th seed.

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This is the box score on February 1st. I think the current roster should be better than that one.

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Natebishop3 said:
Dame needs the ball in his hands.

Scoot needs the ball in his hands.

I'm so tired of undersized backcourts.
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My response is that you have no idea how effective that backcourt would be.

Did you think Magic Johnson and Norm Nixon would work? That backcourt won 2 championships in 3 seasons.
Did you think James Harden and Chris Paul would work? That backcourt won a franchise-high 65 games and nearly took out the Warriors in the WC finals.

Lillard is a very high-level talent. Scoot at least will be the best passer and ball handler on the team.
It would be dumb not to play them together and see how it works out.
 
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