Dame doesn't want a trade

[riverman]

I agree. He seemed pretty upset when we didn't even make him an offer. That doesn't sound like someone that wanted to chase money/stardom.

two different issues...yes he was upset we didn't pursue him..but he was already partying with Parsons and Jordan by then and making other plans. Wes is a proud guy. He did want a big contract and the money and he did want to be more of an offensive option from his own words. Not that there's anything wrong with that..I'm happy for him and watch the Mavs whenever the Blazers are off.....from what I've seen, we dodged a bullet

 

[Natebishop3]

two different issues...yes he was upset we didn't pursue him..but he was already partying with Parsons and Jordan by then and making other plans. Wes is a proud guy. He did want a big contract and the money and he did want to be more of an offensive option from his own words. Not that there's anything wrong with that..I'm happy for him and watch the Mavs whenever the Blazers are off.....from what I've seen, we dodged a bullet

I definitely didn't want to re-sign him to some massive deal.... and it sure paid off because we had CJ and Crabbe and eventually Hendo.

 

[dviss1]

I never said they can't continue proving. But it's going to have to be a ridiculous jump, skip, and sprint for them to be considered championship material soon or in the future as constructed. And I'd rather try to improve today while we have cap space to do so, instead of locking our own guys to expensive deals now and locking us into less flexibility.

Every team, no matter how good they are, wants to improve. That's reality.

Baking the cake sucks

We baked a cake with those Drexler/Porter teams.

 

[riverman]

The Spurs did ok baking the cake

 

[Schilly]

We baked a cake with those Drexler/Porter teams.

Did we though?
88/89 they traded Kiki at the deadline, then in the summer traded Bowie for Buck Williams.
1990/91 Traded for Ainge, and Traded Drazen for Walter Davis

There was a lot of tweaking and shuffling leading up to 1988 as well.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

We baked a cake with those Drexler/Porter teams.

Kind of. Buck Williams and Duckworth wete acquired by trade right?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

The Spurs did ok baking the cake

The spurs didn't bake anything. They lucked into Duncan when drob was hurt an entire year.

And they went out and bettered thenselves by signing. Lma so thanks for making my point

 

[Schilly]

The spurs didn't bake anything. They lucked into Duncan when drob was hurt an entire year.

And they went out and bettered thenselves by signing. Lma so thanks for making my point

Also traded George Hill for Leonard.

 

[riverman]

The spurs didn't bake anything. They lucked into Duncan when drob was hurt an entire year.

And they went out and bettered thenselves by signing. Lma so thanks for making my point

When Tim Duncan takes a huge paycut to bring back Parker and Ginobli....I call that baking a cake

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

When Tim Duncan takes a huge paycut to bring back Parker and Ginobli....I call that baking a cake

That's not baking a cake. That's taking a paycut at the end of your career to keep your guys together.

 

[riverman]

The spurs didn't bake anything. They lucked into Duncan when drob was hurt an entire year.

And they went out and bettered thenselves by signing. Lma so thanks for making my point

I think when you keep your main rotation around for a dynasty....you've built a championship contender without losing your identity or core. The Spurs have done very, very well with player acquisitions but kept the meat and potato core around longer than any other team in the league. Every team makes trades or uses the draft but how many have kept a championship trio together...they are the anti Rockets. If you watch the Spurs without Duncan..when you are as successful as they have been...the top free agents will want to go there. Lamarcus did that. I watched him miss about 7 midrange jumpers in a game the other night and Leonard bailed them out with a buzzer beater to win by 2.....Lamarcus isn't exactly having a career year and Pops is making him play in the post more.

 

[riverman]

That's not baking a cake. That's taking a paycut at the end of your career to keep your guys together.

well, we define things differently but it's a senseless argument in the end. My metaphors don't match yours

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

We don't have a third star player. We don't have a player of Duncan's caliber. And we don't have a top 3 coach of all time. So we definitely need more talent

 

[riverman]

We don't have a third star player. We don't have a player of Duncan's caliber. And we don't have a top 3 coach of all time. So we definitely need more talent

Nobody thought Draymond Green would emerge as a third star player but .....he did. Stranger things have happened. I'd counter that we may just have future stars on this team given the youth we've acquired. If we think we could contend this year....we'd probably sign a marquis player now but I don't think this season is going to see that until free agency starts off season

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

......... And gs will still try to sign Durant this offseason instead of letting that "cake bake"

 

[riverman]

......... And gs will still try to sign Durant this offseason instead of letting that "cake bake"

That's called icing on the cake...the cake is already baked

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

So it's a good idea to wait to see what you have, which could diminish players values If. They suck, and not turn them into a young all star caliber player if possible in order to bake the cake?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

That's called icing on the cake...the cake is already baked

If we have dame on a max deal, plumlee on an expensive deal, crabbe on an expensive deal, and Cj on a max deal, we won't have any room to put any icing on the cake.

 

[dviss1]

That's not baking a cake. That's taking a paycut at the end of your career to keep your guys together.

They drafted all 3 of those guys remember? Parker and Ginobili were a late 1st and a 2nd rounder. Leonard was a draft day trade.

Positioning various players around them = baking cake.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

They drafted all 3 of those guys remember? Parker and Ginobili were a late 1st and a 2nd rounder. Leonard was a draft day trade.

Positioning various players around them = baking cake.

The spurs had a core few players. But they always looked to bring in guys to complement the system and didn't shy away from upgrading. George hill for kawhi Leonard. Signing lma. Duncan is a once in a lifetime player. Pops is a once in a lifetime coach. We don't have a Duncan or pops on our team to build around. So I have little faith the group of guys we have now are going to lead us to the promised land. But by all means. I'd love to be wrong on that.

 

[HailBlazers]

Nobody thought Draymond Green would emerge as a third star player but .....he did. Stranger things have happened. I'd counter that we may just have future stars on this team given the youth we've acquired. If we think we could contend this year....we'd probably sign a marquis player now but I don't think this season is going to see that until free agency starts off season

IMO we just need a rim protecting bruiser, our Andrew Bogut.

 

[riverman]

One thing I know and this season proves it to a point....the coaching staff and front office know what they have on our roster...I sure didn't peg CJ to emerge 3 years into his career...first 2 years injured a lot...Olshey saw CJ as an emerging star..I honestly didn't see that and would have traded him right after the Memphis series ....man was I wrong...that next guy could be Vonleh or Harkless or even Montero...what players always talk about is what they see in practice that fans don't see from bench players.

 

[riverman]

The spurs had a core few players. But they always looked to bring in guys to complement the system and didn't shy away from upgrading. George hill for kawhi Leonard. Signing lma. Duncan is a once in a lifetime player. Pops is a once in a lifetime coach. We don't have a Duncan or pops on our team to build around. So I have little faith the group of guys we have now are going to lead us to the promised land. But by all means. I'd love to be wrong on that.

I don't know how you could not see us as having a Duncan to build around...Damian Lillard is exactly that

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I like our four guards too. But if a deal is outthere that gets us an upgrade, you take it.

Imo the core is Cj and dame. The rest are role players filling roles. They can be replaced. But I don't want to lose Henderson. I've loved what he has brought to this team. I can't remember the last time we had a guy like him.

Steve Smith.....?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I don't know how you could not see us as having a Duncan to build around...Damian Lillard is exactly that

No. Lillard is awesome. Duncan is a top 5 player of all time. As good as lillard is, he won't come close to that.

 

[riverman]

No. Lillard is awesome. Duncan is a top 5 player of all time. As good as lillard is, he won't come close to that.

buzzkill....you have no way of knowing what Dame's career will look like when he's just under 40 as Duncan is now...he's already done things in his short career that only Oscar Robertson and Isiah Thomas achieved. I've seen Duncan choke against the Lakers in a playoff series when he was young as well...too small a sample size to assume Dame will not achieve greatness

 

[riverman]

Nobody becomes top 5 in their 4th season either

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

buzzkill....you have no way of knowing what Dame's career will look like when he's just under 40 as Duncan is now...he's already done things in his short career that only Oscar Robertson and Isiah Thomas achieved. I've seen Duncan choke against the Lakers in a playoff series when he was young as well...too small a sample size to assume Dame will not achieve greatness

5 nba titles, 15 all star games, the most defensive team awards of all time.

Not gonna happen.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

2 league mvp awards too

 

[riverman]

2 league mvp awards too

He didn't have most of those things after 3 years in the league though...you're comparing a guy with decades of experience over a guy who's got decades ahead of him....when Dame is 40....get back to me. Until then...I don't use the word never when it comes to Damian Lillard.