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SharpesTriumph said:
If Dame wins a playoff series with Giannis in street clothes will it make Cronin look pretty stupid he never tried to put one legit rotation around Dame?
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To me the Blazers and Cronin already look stupid for not putting a quality rotation around Dame. I don't need him to win a series with the Bucks to tell me that. He won enough here with the dregs he had.
 
inconceivable said:
Dame shot maybe 4x the entire 2nd half, allowed middleton portis lopez to get theirs as he was getting all the attention
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You have to give the Pacers some credit as well. They made adjustments in the second half. Smothered Dame and made someone else make some shots.
What is interesting to me was that it wasn't the plan from the beginning? The knock on Doc is he doesn't make great adjustments throughout a series. He has the pieces to go with different looks with this team even without Giannis.
Game two should be tougher than game one. Look for Middleton and Portis to get more looks and Dame to pick up that double at mid court from the start.
X-factors are Beverly and Beasley.
 
kjironman1 said:
To me the Blazers and Cronin already look stupid for not putting a quality rotation around Dame. I don't need him to win a series with the Bucks to tell me that. He won enough here with the dregs he had.
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It does still make me sad to think that it might have conceivably been possible to pick up Ayton without jettisoning Dame, and to conceive of what a Dame/Grant/Ayton lineup with complementary parts (Sharpe, Amen [instead of Scoot], other forward procured by trading Ant) might have looked like. I still think it would have ended in disappointment, but we'll never truly know.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It does still make me sad to think that it might have conceivably been possible to pick up Ayton without jettisoning Dame, and to conceive of what a Dame/Grant/Ayton lineup with complementary parts (Sharpe, Amen [instead of Scoot], other forward procured by trading Ant) might have looked like. I still think it would have ended in disappointment, but we'll never truly know.
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I totally agree that there may have been some things they could have done? The Ayton trade might not have been pivotal on Allen? Could they have got that trade done? Not sure?
Ended in disappointment is a tough one though? The season ends in disappointment for 29 teams. I'm a Niners fan. Pretty happy they are good enough to make the Super bowl and will again be in a position to try to get back there. In the NBA all you have to do is make the second round is my experience over the years. Look at the injuries and how things play out? Even the Nuggets can be beat if they are pushed into a long series a couple times.
 
kjironman1 said:
I totally agree that there may have been some things they could have done? The Ayton trade might not have been pivotal on Allen? Could they have got that trade done? Not sure?
Ended in disappointment is a tough one though? The season ends in disappointment for 29 teams. I'm a Niners fan. Pretty happy they are good enough to make the Super bowl and will again be in a position to try to get back there. In the NBA all you have to do is make the second round is my experience over the years. Look at the injuries and how things play out? Even the Nuggets can be beat if they are pushed into a long series a couple times.
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That would basically have been my threshold as well--would a Dame/Grant/Ayton based roster have been good enough to win a first round series. Seeing the top of the west this year, I think not.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
That would basically have been my threshold as well--would a Dame/Grant/Ayton based roster have been good enough to win a first round series. Seeing the top of the west this year, I think not.
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With that thinking though, take it a step further. How about Dame/Grant/Ayton and Hart?
Been said on here the beginning of the end for Dame came before the trade of Hart? Possibly the year before when they moved away from CJ? Look at the impact Nance is having this year?
 
kjironman1 said:
With that thinking though, take it a step further. How about Dame/Grant/Ayton and Hart?
Been said on here the beginning of the end for Dame came before the trade of Hart? Possibly the year before when they moved away from CJ? Look at the impact Nance is having this year?
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I dunno--I still think it was a pretty fair assumption that Hart was gone regardless. I mean, a deal for Ayton at the '23 deadline might have made that a different story, but I don't really think that was on the table.
 
kjironman1 said:
With that thinking though, take it a step further. How about Dame/Grant/Ayton and Hart?
Been said on here the beginning of the end for Dame came before the trade of Hart? Possibly the year before when they moved away from CJ? Look at the impact Nance is having this year?
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ok....if you're just going to confine the coulda/shoulda on Dame to last off season, then go full bore. Say a promise of an 18-20M/year contract to Hart could have kept him in Portland. Then say, for giggles, that Portland wasn't dumb enough to add Ayton's salary, but instead worked out a trade with Indiana that brought Myles Turner to Portland + another player. The Pacers were the team that really wanted Ayton. Also reserve the option that mercifully, finally, the Blazers shit-canned the notion of an undersized no-defense SG and waved bye-bye to 13 years of the CJ/Ant era. And finally, with the Blazers committed to keeping Dame, they'd either move the 3rd pick (+ Ant?) for another all-star level player that was taller than 6'4. Or even draft Amen Thompson. I'm seeing a team that could pretty easily cruise into the 2nd round

but confining it to just last season ignores all the opportunities Portland had to put a contender around Dame. It all tracks back to Olshey's idiocy, obviously, and if I was to point to the critical component of that idiocy it was Olshey's blind ego-drive infatuation with CJ. Olshey never once tried to build a team around Dame. It was always build a team around CJ & Dame. That's why he held CJ untouchable in trade talks for PG13 in 2017; and repeated CJ's untouchable stature in trade talks for Jimmy Butler in 2018. What Olshey did was assume he had his big-2 in place so he spent years rearranging the deck chairs around them; cycling thru low-level role players like Turner, Crabbe, Aminu, Harkless, Hood, Curry, RoCo, Nance. That when his goal should have first been finding a 2nd elite player, like a PG13, or Butler to pair with Dame
 
wizenheimer said:
but confining it to just last season ignores all the opportunities Portland had to put a contender around Dame. It all tracks back to Olshey's idiocy, obviously, and if I was to point to the critical component of that idiocy it was Olshey's blind ego-drive infatuation with CJ. Olshey never once tried to build a team around Dame. It was always build a team around CJ & Dame. That's why he held CJ untouchable in trade talks for PG13 in 2017; and repeated CJ's untouchable stature in trade talks for Jimmy Butler in 2018. What Olshey did was assume he had his big-2 in place so he spent years rearranging the deck chairs around them; cycling thru low-level role players like Turner, Crabbe, Aminu, Harkless, Hood, Curry, RoCo, Nance. That when his goal should have first been finding a 2nd elite player, like a PG13, or Butler to pair with Dame
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Bingo.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
If Dame wins a playoff series with Giannis in street clothes will it make Cronin look pretty stupid he never tried to put one legit rotation around Dame?
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What constitutes a legit rotation? How was he supposed to acquire that rotation?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It does still make me sad to think that it might have conceivably been possible to pick up Ayton without jettisoning Dame, and to conceive of what a Dame/Grant/Ayton lineup with complementary parts (Sharpe, Amen [instead of Scoot], other forward procured by trading Ant) might have looked like. I still think it would have ended in disappointment, but we'll never truly know.
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The rumor was that they ran it by Dame and he said no.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What constitutes a legit rotation? How was he supposed to acquire that rotation?
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Cronin never would have been able to. As Wiz astutely pointed out, this falls on Olshey. He could have made big plays with LMA and CJ but sat on his hands. Cronin inherited the job with two hands tied behind his back.
 
HailBlazers said:
Cronin never would have been able to. As Wiz astutely pointed out, this falls on Olshey. He could have made big plays with LMA and CJ but sat on his hands. Cronin inherited the job with two hands tied behind his back.
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And he tried. He got Hart. He got Grant. He got GPII. He tried to acquire rotation guys. So either Chauncey is straight up garbage, which is very possible, or the pieces that we could get just weren't enough.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It does still make me sad to think that it might have conceivably been possible to pick up Ayton without jettisoning Dame, and to conceive of what a Dame/Grant/Ayton lineup with complementary parts (Sharpe, Amen [instead of Scoot], other forward procured by trading Ant) might have looked like. I still think it would have ended in disappointment, but we'll never truly know.
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I wondered if Dame scorched earth stance/Miami only/Cronin feud was because he had someone else like Brown willing to come here but Cronin fell in love with keeping #3 plus Jody didn't want to pay another $200+mil and pay Dame/Grant plus tax. Brown for #3 and Ant. Then as you say add #23 or whatever to get Ayton.

Dame
Sharpe
Brown
Grant
Ayton

Would've been a lot more fun season last year as well as next!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I dunno--I still think it was a pretty fair assumption that Hart was gone regardless. I mean, a deal for Ayton at the '23 deadline might have made that a different story, but I don't really think that was on the table.
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Incorrect, Hart wanted a team to value him and consider resigning him, the Blazers weren't. They were to busy budgeting 160 million to Grant while ducking the tax.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Incorrect, Hart wanted a team to value him and consider resigning him, the Blazers weren't. They were to busy budgeting 160 million to Grant while ducking the tax.
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Which made sense. They weren't even a playoff team, so going into the tax for a 32% 3pt shooter didn't make a ton of sense.
 
Also I think it’s reallly jumping to conclusions to think the Bucks will win this series; I don’t think the team wins five playoff games without Giannis
 
twobullz said:
From the bits and pieces I watched of the second half, it looked like the bucks were just using Dame as a decoy. All the Pacers attention was stopping Dame and the other players took advantage of it.
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That's what could have happened in Portland if we'd have gotten Dame some legit help.
 
The bucks were completely incapable of stopping Indy in the 4th and the pacer defense was stifling.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The bucks were completely incapable of stopping Indy in the 4th and the pacer defense was stifling.
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Pacers couldn't miss. They made everything. It allowed their defense to get back and get set. Also it allowed Nembhard to get set on Lillard and deny him the ball. On the other end Bucks were forcing worse shots and this created transition baskets where the Pacers could just run. Perfect scenario for Indy. I put this loss on Doc a bit. Got to manufacture some baskets. At one point they had a 26-6 run going when they had to sit lillard at the end of the 3rd beginning of the 4th. Beaverly had a pretty bad night.
The roll players simply didn't show. Crowder, Beasley, Green combined for 11 points. It looked like PatCon was a better option but they didn't really use him as a scoring threat?
 
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