Dame in Milwaukee thread (1 Viewer)

[HansenYang]

Says 50-50.
50% fan vote and then 25% for each media and players. The answer I'm finding is the only way to become a starter is by fan vote? I do not know if that is exactly true?

I think the fans 100% being responsible for starters is outdated:
https://www.nba.com/news/2023-nba-all-star-starters-announced

Starters — three frontcourt players and two guards from each conference — were selected by a combination of three different votes: fan balloting counted for 50%, media balloting was worth 25% and voting by the NBA’s players made up the final 25%.

The reserves, which are chosen by votes from the league’s coaches, will be announced Feb. 2.

 

[kjironman1]

I think the fans 100% being responsible for starters is outdated:
https://www.nba.com/news/2023-nba-all-star-starters-announced

What is seemingly the players agreeing with you is the fact that Lillard consistently gets picked by the captains almost immediately.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I think the fans 100% being responsible for starters is outdated:
https://www.nba.com/news/2023-nba-all-star-starters-announced

I think giving phone or social media votes equal weight to in-arena ballots was outdated from day one.

 

[kjironman1]

 

[e_blazer]

I hope Scoot is signed up to work with him this summer.

 

[handiman]

What is seemingly the players agreeing with you is the fact that Lillard consistently gets picked by the captains almost immediately.

There's no better setting for someone capable of shooting from anywhere and not interested in playing defense.

 

[blazerkor]

Dame just put up 45 points on 22 shots, 11 assists with just 1 turnover and 6 boards in a game against the Pistons that was far more competitive than I'm sure the Bucks fans were expecting.

 

[kjironman1]

Dame just put up 45 points on 22 shots, 11 assists with just 1 turnover and 6 boards in a game against the Pistons that was far more competitive than I'm sure the Bucks fans were expecting.

Lillard was 16-16 from the line. That will seal the deal quite often.

 

[riverman]

One of the greatest to play the game. Man I miss what he brings to the organization. A lot of players I liked have moved on but this guy left a gaping hole on his way out.

 

[Everything Beagle]

So which hurts worse, getting a player like Oden that never got a chance, or getting a player like Lillard who played here for a decade and left without even sniffing the promised land?

 

[wizenheimer]

So which hurts worse, getting a player like Oden that never got a chance, or getting a player like Lillard who played here for a decade and left without even sniffing the promised land?

for sure Dame, because Oden never really was, and Portland had more than a decade to build a contender around Dame but never really tried

 

[Phatguysrule]

So which hurts worse, getting a player like Oden that never got a chance, or getting a player like Lillard who played here for a decade and left without even sniffing the promised land?

I have no regrets about Dame. Our franchise screwed that up. He did all he could.

But really, I think Oden did all he could as well.

But we got a ton of joy out of Dame.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Dame will be Dame

 

[Haakzilla]

 

[Everything Beagle]

for sure Dame, because Oden never really was, and Portland had more than a decade to build a contender around Dame but never really tried

I wonder how much of the team building problem was that Dame wanted ‘his guys’ on the team but his guys kinda sucked. Then you’re stuck with CJ and a bunch of inefficient wings and you can’t trade any of that for gold.

 

[kjironman1]

I wonder how much of the team building problem was that Dame wanted ‘his guys’ on the team but his guys kinda sucked. Then you’re stuck with CJ and a bunch of inefficient wings and you can’t trade any of that for gold.

How dare you suggest the Blevins sucked!

 

[Natebishop3]

I wonder how much of the team building problem was that Dame wanted ‘his guys’ on the team but his guys kinda sucked. Then you’re stuck with CJ and a bunch of inefficient wings and you can’t trade any of that for gold.

We will never know how much of the CJ love was Neil and how much was Dame.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I wonder how much of the team building problem was that Dame wanted ‘his guys’ on the team but his guys kinda sucked. Then you’re stuck with CJ and a bunch of inefficient wings and you can’t trade any of that for gold.

Management has to overcome that

 

[Phatguysrule]

We will never know how much of the CJ love was Neil and how much was Dame.

I have no doubt it was on Olshey as much as Dame.

 

[wizenheimer]

I wonder how much of the team building problem was that Dame wanted ‘his guys’ on the team but his guys kinda sucked. Then you’re stuck with CJ and a bunch of inefficient wings and you can’t trade any of that for gold.

Dame didn't squawk at all when Cronin traded CJ. Dame didn't have much to say when his good friends Will Barton and Mason Plumlee were traded either

I'm about 97% convinced the 'Dame-was-the-shadow-GM' narrative was bullshit floated by Olshey and Olshey apologists to cover for Olshey's ineffectiveness as the GM

Dame didn't tell Olshey to make max contract offers to Roy Hibbert, Enes Kanter, Greg Monroe, and Chandler Parsons. Dame didn't tell Olshey to spend 340M in 2016 for CJ's extension, match Crabbe's offer sheet, bid against himself for Evan Turner, give 41M to Meyers Leonard, and sign an injured Festus Ezeli. Dame didn't tell Olshey to essentially spend SEVEN 1st round picks on Arron Afflalo, Zach Collins, Caleb Swanigan, RoCo, and Nance. Dame didn't tell Olshey to trade for Nance when he could have just traded for Lauri Markkanen instead. Dame didn't tell Olshey to lock up and encumber 7 years of first round picks for same said Nance. Dame didn't tell Olshey to dump Kanter, Ed Davis, Aminu, Harkless, Turner, Layman and Meyers off a WCF team and replace them with Whiteside, Bazemore, Hezonja, and Tolliver. Dame didn't tell Olshey to basically force the Blazers to go with Norm Powell at SF and trot out a 6'2-6'3-6'3-Melo starting lineup

Olshey's consistent and constant ego-blind incompetence and GM-malpractice was demonstrated for a decade. And his hubris and arrogance were demonstrated as well, maybe even more thoroughly. The notion that Dame convinced Olshey to do anything he wasn't going to do anyway is not credible

 

[Whyachi]

How dare you suggest the Blevins sucked!

8 point run by Blevins toppled the Lakers 2 years ago. It was mostly airballs from Keljin in the games that followed, but being a "Laker Killer" has a permanent stamp in Rose City.

 

[Whyachi]

Dame didn't squawk at all when Cronin traded CJ. Dame didn't have much to say when his good friends Will Barton and Mason Plumlee were traded either

I'm about 97% convinced the 'Dame-was-the-shadow-GM' narrative was bullshit floated by Olshey and Olshey apologists to cover for Olshey's ineffectiveness as the GM

Dame didn't tell Olshey to make max contract offers to Roy Hibbert, Enes Kanter, Greg Monroe, and Chandler Parsons. Dame didn't tell Olshey to spend 340M in 2016 for CJ's extension, match Crabbe's offer sheet, bid against himself for Evan Turner, give 41M to Meyers Leonard, and sign an injured Festus Ezeli. Dame didn't tell Olshey to essentially spend SEVEN 1st round picks on Arron Afflalo, Zach Collins, Caleb Swanigan, RoCo, and Nance. Dame didn't tell Olshey to trade for Nance when he could have just traded for Lauri Markkanen instead. Dame didn't tell Olshey to lock up and encumber 7 years of first round picks for same said Nance. Dame didn't tell Olshey to dump Kanter, Ed Davis, Aminu, Harkless, Turner, Layman and Meyers off a WCF team and replace them with Whiteside, Bazemore, Hezonja, and Tolliver. Dame didn't tell Olshey to basically force the Blazers to go with Norm Powell at SF and trot out a 6'2-6'3-6'3-Melo starting lineup

Olshey's consistent and constant ego-blind incompetence and GM-malpractice was demonstrated for a decade. And his hubris and arrogance were demonstrated as well, maybe even more thoroughly. The notion that Dame convinced Olshey to do anything he wasn't going to do anyway is not credible

Olshey let Aldridge walk right out the door. No picks, no nothing. Good bye former Blazers All-Star. Neil's brilliant idea to replace LaMarcus was make Noah Vonleh the starting PF.
Let's check some stats:
-Vonleh 3.6pts/3.9reb
hmmm, those don't match L-Train stats

 

[Everything Beagle]

Management has to overcome that

if only Miami had drafted him; their management is so much better than ours

 

[Phatguysrule]

if only Miami had drafted him; their management is so much better than ours

Honestly, yeah. Riley and Spoelstra would have almost certainly gotten a title or two out of Dame, IMO.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Olshey let Aldridge walk right out the door. No picks, no nothing. Good bye former Blazers All-Star. Neil's brilliant idea to replace LaMarcus was make Noah Vonleh the starting PF.
Let's check some stats:
-Vonleh 3.6pts/3.9reb
hmmm, those don't match L-Train stats

He should have been fired right then, IMO.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Olshey let Aldridge walk right out the door. No picks, no nothing. Good bye former Blazers All-Star. Neil's brilliant idea to replace LaMarcus was make Noah Vonleh the starting PF.
Let's check some stats:
-Vonleh 3.6pts/3.9reb
hmmm, those don't match L-Train stats

I’ll admit, I thought we had our next Jermaine O’Neal

I was hot on vonleh. Boy was I wrong.

 

[blazerkor]

I have no doubt it was on Olshey as much as Dame.

It was all on Olshey because if Dame really was adamant about keeping players around him that we couldn't win with, Olshey was the GM at the end of the day and could just tell Dame he was going to build a championship roster around Dame or move Dame so he could build a championship roster without him.

I don't think Dame ever vetoed a trade and if he did whoever gave him the power to do so is a dumbass.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It was all on Olshey because if Dame really was adamant about keeping players around him that we couldn't win with, Olshey was the GM at the end of the day and could just tell Dame he was going to build a championship roster around Dame or move Dame so he could build a championship roster without him.

I don't think Dame ever vetoed a trade and if he did whoever gave him the power to do so is a dumbass.

Agreed

 

[HailBlazers]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Dame hasn't suddenly gone downhill. He's just no longer in a system that is entirely catering to his needs. Also he's playing for a rookie coach, whose seat is getting warmer by the minute.

Finally caught fire: