Dame Time (for a trade)…

[Natebishop3]

 

[RonBrewer]

Marang reporting Portland wants OG ‘and’ Pascal for Nurkic Ant and #3.

Sigh.

Man, i wouldn't hate that at all

 

[RonBrewer]

lol?

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[Gronk_Brady]

Man, i wouldn't hate that at all

Yuck… 6-8 seed at best… definition of mediocrity.

 

[Propagandist]

I did not compare these two things.

You wrote this gem:

Imagine if any of us married people were asked in public what lady x y z in the neighborhood do you think would be a good lady to date if you ever got divorced?

Yeah you answer that question with anything but 100% commitment to your wife and see what your wife thinks. I'd love to hear you try to explain your way out of that one.

That Dame would answer the question shows the relationship is crazy fragile. Maybe it gets repaired, maybe not. I'm sure as hell not trading away the #3 pick when and the Blazers might break up in a few months either way.

It's not like this is the sole indicator, it's exhibit 1 of 50 that the Dame as a cornerstone of the Blazers time may be ending.

 

[Natebishop3]

Post less, read more.

You posted about people wanting to trade Dame. I responded. That's what we do here. We post, people respond, and then we post again. That's how forums work.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

That's not logic, or it's faulty logic. The word you are thinking of is "opinions."

If you want to call them objective opinions based on historical data of thousands of players then yeah, sure.

That's a much more logical way to evaluate the ideal team building strategies than blind homerism and faith in one old player who people have an illogical emotional biased non-objective love of.

 

[Propagandist]

Yuck… 6-8 seed at best… definition of mediocrity.

Says the future-seeing banned guy...how did you get back in here anyways? did you have to pay @SlyPokerDog ?

 

[RonBrewer]

You posted about people wanting to trade Dame. I responded. That's what we do here. We post, people respond, and then we post again. That's how forums work.

 

[Propagandist]

If you want to call them objective opinions based on historical data of thousands of players then yeah, sure.

That's a much more logical way to evaluate the ideal team building strategies than blind homerism and faith in one old player who people have an illogical emotional biased non-objective view of.

So many blanket statements and assumptions with your posts. It's irritating. You don't even know my position, you just say weird shit.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

Says the future-seeing banned guy...how did you get back in here anyways? did you have to pay @SlyPokerDog ?

Raptors finished 10th in the EAST last season with these two, and a much better supporting cast… FACT.

 

[RonBrewer]

Raptors finished 10th in the EAST last season with these two, and a much better supporting cast… FACT.

Yawn. This is a terrible stance.

 

[Propagandist]

Raptors finished 10th in the EAST last season with these two, and a much better supporting cast… FACT.

You're giving me some vicarious embarrassment here with this post.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

You're giving me some vicarious embarrassment here with this post.

How so?

 

[Propagandist]

How so?

Come on, man.

 

[Propagandist]

For those that want Dame gone, I'm not with you but I've had enough of this kind of shit.

 

[Natebishop3]

For those that want Dame gone, I'm not with you but I've had enough of this kind of shit.

What's on his table? It looks like some kind of electronic but I can't recognize it.

 

[wizenheimer]

For those that want Dame gone, I'm not with you but I've had enough of this kind of shit.

what's he talking about? is it even about basketball? Did he want sushi and they were out? Was the plane circling because of traffic on the runway?

 

[Natebishop3]

what's he talking about? is it even about basketball? Did he want sushi and they were out? Was the plane circling because of traffic on the runway?

Well clearly he's hopping on a plane to Miami.

 

[Propagandist]

What's on his table? It looks like some kind of electronic but I can't recognize it.

 

[Samuel]

Seems like we're trading away the two best young talents there for average forwards on expiring contracts that won't make us contenders.

This sort of reminds me of what Danny Ainge did with Vando, Beasley and Conley. Maybe he’s not getting the first that he asked for for Vando, but he’s getting it for all 3 of those guys. Masai can say ‘I got the third pick and Anfernee Simons for them’ and declare victory on a technicality.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

https://www.blazersedge.com/2023/6/...ba-draft-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller-order

 

[Gronk_Brady]

Come on, man.

No answer… that’s what I thought.

 

[Propagandist]

No answer… that’s what I thought.

"Come on, man" is a fine answer. You're seeking conflict and I'm not in the mood right now.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

"Come on, man" is a fine answer. You're seeking conflict and I'm not in the mood right now.

I don’t want conflict, just an explanation of how trading the 3rd pick for 2 players on a team that finished 10th in the East makes sense.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don’t want conflict, just an explanation of how trading the 3rd pick for 2 players on a team that finished 10th in the East makes sense.

It doesn’t

 

[SharpesTriumph]

if Portland does eventually end up trading Dame, I think they'd get a much better return approaching next season's trade deadline than in July

Maybe the biggest Dame return is at the deadline or maybe not. Ideally to maximize a Dame return the Blazers would be exploring offers but not be pressured to have to get one completed right away. If a team makes a Gobert to the Wolves overpay offer then yes close that deal. If not then hold out for more as the Nets did with Durant or Philly with Simmons.

Also there's risk Dame gets hurt/declines and his trade value plummets, in that regard it's risky to hold off cashing in Dames value now.
Also some teams might have flexibility now but less during the season. Teams with a ton of early season success or early losses/injuries may change their mind and not want to do a deal in the season.

I know trader Bob always said he wanted to do big moves in the off-season as the team then has the summer, training camp, pre season, etc to structure the offense and plays and roles and such. That's why teams such as the Suns acquiring Durant normally don't do as well that first year, compared to the Toronto types getting Kawhi in the off-season. In theory we should probably be able to get more value for Dame in the off-season, but that's not a guarantee.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

You wrote this gem:

Imagine if any of us married people were asked in public what lady x y z in the neighborhood do you think would be a good lady to date if you ever got divorced?

Yeah you answer that question with anything but 100% commitment to your wife and see what your wife thinks. I'd love to hear you try to explain your way out of that one.

That Dame would answer the question shows the relationship is crazy fragile. Maybe it gets repaired, maybe not. I'm sure as hell not trading away the #3 pick when and the Blazers might break up in a few months either way.

It's not like this is the sole indicator, it's exhibit 1 of 50 that the Dame as a cornerstone of the Blazers time may be ending.

Ahh ok yes I did compare that, sorry I thought you were comparing the car dealership and marriage analogies which were different posts.

 

[blazerkor]

Maybe the biggest Dame return is at the deadline or maybe not. Ideally to maximize a Dame return the Blazers would be exploring offers but not be pressured to have to get one completed right away. If a team makes a Gobert to the Wolves overpay offer then yes close that deal. If not then hold out for more as the Nets did with Durant or Philly with Simmons.

Also there's risk Dame gets hurt/declines and his trade value plummets, in that regard it's risky to hold off cashing in Dames value now.
Also some teams might have flexibility now but less during the season. Teams with a ton of early season success or early losses/injuries may change their mind and not want to do a deal in the season.

I know trader Bob always said he wanted to do big moves in the off-season as the team then has the summer, training camp, pre season, etc to structure the offense and plays and roles and such. That's why teams such as the Suns acquiring Durant normally don't do as well that first year, compared to the Toronto types getting Kawhi in the off-season. In theory we should probably be able to get more value for Dame in the off-season, but that's not a guarantee.

I honestly think the biggest Dame returns would be a deal for July 10th made on draft day. When you're trying a youth rebuild you want to do the deal on draft day. The thing about waiting longer is Dame is bound to voice his frustrations even more than he already has if we disappoint him draft day and by then there no longer is an either or to the situation. On draft day we can present teams asking about Dame the leverage of what deals we have on the table to improve the team around Dame... if Dame says that he's out even privately and that information gets leaked we no longer have that leverage.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Great analogy!

I didn't realize "'til death do us part" was part of the collective bargaining agreement... oh wait, it's not... So this these scenarios are nothing alike...