Dame Time (for a trade)…

[Propagandist]

I don’t want conflict, just an explanation of how trading the 3rd pick for 2 players on a team that finished 10th in the East makes sense.

I didn’t say that it did.

But I also didn’t just act like there aren’t myriad variables at play here. Sports isn’t science.

 

[Propagandist]

Maybe the biggest Dame return is at the deadline or maybe not. Ideally to maximize a Dame return the Blazers would be exploring offers but not be pressured to have to get one completed right away. If a team makes a Gobert to the Wolves overpay offer then yes close that deal. If not then hold out for more as the Nets did with Durant or Philly with Simmons.

Also there's risk Dame gets hurt/declines and his trade value plummets, in that regard it's risky to hold off cashing in Dames value now.
Also some teams might have flexibility now but less during the season. Teams with a ton of early season success or early losses/injuries may change their mind and not want to do a deal in the season.

I know trader Bob always said he wanted to do big moves in the off-season as the team then has the summer, training camp, pre season, etc to structure the offense and plays and roles and such. That's why teams such as the Suns acquiring Durant normally don't do as well that first year, compared to the Toronto types getting Kawhi in the off-season. In theory we should probably be able to get more value for Dame in the off-season, but that's not a guarantee.

But do you honestly believe, I’m wondering what @Natebishop3 and @Gronk_Brady and @Mediocre Man and whoever else thinks too, do you guys honestly believe a Dame trade will happen? I think there’s so much pushback from some posters just because it seems so unlikely.

 

[Mediocre Man]

But do you honestly believe, I’m wondering what @Natebishop3 and @Gronk_Brady and @Mediocre Man and whoever else thinks too, do you guys honestly believe a Dame trade will happen? I think there’s so much pushback from some posters just because it seems so unlikely.

No. They’ll cave or draft at 3 and try to appease Dame by trading other assets for vet friends and sign Green

if Scoot is available, they’ll for sure trade

my opinion

 

[Propagandist]

No. They’ll cave or draft at 3 and try to appease Dame by trading other assets for vet friends and sign Green

if Scoot is available, they’ll for sure trade

my opinion

This is what I’d expect as well. Draymond would surprise me though.

 

[blazerkor]

No. They’ll cave or draft at 3 and try to appease Dame by trading other assets for vet friends and sign Green

if Scoot is available, they’ll for sure trade

my opinion

I don't think Dray will be taking the TPMLE and I don't think we're hard capping ourselves again with what we'll have to pay to keep Jerami and Matisse... also adding a significant salary with pick 3. That's not just because I fucking hate the idea of Dray on the Blazers. I honestly think the Warriors will pay Dray the most money and he will stay there and continue to talk shit about the team... it's just the type of guy he is. Not happy unless he has something to scream and complain about. I expect him to be the cohost of First Take with Screamin A within the next few years, I think he's already guest appeared before.

 

[Tince]

This is what I’d expect as well. Draymond would surprise me though.

Yeah, I can't imagine he wants to play with Dame so bad that he's willing to take a 65% paycut.

 

[Propagandist]

I don't think Dray will be taking the TPMLE and I don't think we're hard capping ourselves again with what we'll have to pay to keep Jerami and Matisse... also adding a significant salary with pick 3. That's not just because I fucking hate the idea of Dray on the Blazers. I honestly think the Warriors will pay Dray the most money and he will stay there and continue to talk shit about the team... it's just the type of guy he is. Not happy unless he has something to scream and complain about. I expect him to be the cohost of First Take with Screamin A within the next few years, I think he's already guest appeared before.

I like Draymond’s podcast when I run into it. He’sa lot more thoughtful than I expected.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

But do you honestly believe, I’m wondering what @Natebishop3 and @Gronk_Brady and @Mediocre Man and whoever else thinks too, do you guys honestly believe a Dame trade will happen? I think there’s so much pushback from some posters just because it seems so unlikely.

I don’t want to trade Dame if he is ok with keeping the 3rd pick. I just don’t want to mortgage the future to get a players like Bridges that don’t make the team a title contender. Only unique player that does both timelines is Zion, so I think that’s a gamble worth taking.

 

[blazerkor]

I don’t want to trade Dame if he is ok with keeping the 3rd pick. I just don’t want to mortgage the future to get a players like Bridges that don’t make the team a title contender. Only unique player that does both timelines is Zion, so I think that’s a gamble worth taking.

No one wants to waste the third pick... no one. I'm with you that paying the Nets pick 3 for Bridges is a big overpay. I think Bridges and Claxton for pick three if the Nets take Nurk and allow us to reroute Ant to a third team to give us more value could make sense with the Nets.

I honestly think there is probably a move out there for the third pick that you would be happy with, that no one is talking about and that will probably be what we see go down on Thursday but who fucking knows. This team could have a second all nba guy on it when this upcoming season tips off, it could be a total youth rebuild or anything in between. This is for sure the most unknowable time I've ever seen as a Blazers fan. The one thing I think I know is that Shaedon will be on the roster when next season tips off but that's it and I only think I know that one.

 

[STOMP]

Yeah, I can't imagine he wants to play with Dame so bad that he's willing to take a 65% paycut.

Having heard new W's GM Dunlevy speak today at his introduction and say (roughly quoting) "we love Draymond and aren't a contender without him" I'd put the Blazers chances of signing him solidly around zero. To acquire him, the W's would have to agree to a S&T with Portland (following the GPII bad blood) where they'd be taking back Nurk or Ant in a salary swap. Why would they want Ant when they've got Poole or Nurk at all?

STOMP

 

[Propagandist]

I don’t want to trade Dame if he is ok with keeping the 3rd pick. I just don’t want to mortgage the future to get a players like Bridges that don’t make the team a title contender. Only unique player that does both timelines is Zion, so I think that’s a gamble worth taking.

We are per much in line with this stuff…

 

[glazeduck]

Having heard new W's GM Dunlevy speak today at his introduction and say (roughly quoting) "we love Draymond and aren't a contender without him" I'd put the Blazers chances of signing him solidly around zero. To acquire him, the W's would have to agree to a S&T with Portland (following the GPII bad blood) where they'd be taking back Nurk or Ant in a salary swap. Why would they want Ant when they've got Poole or Nurk at all?

STOMP

They were zero before that...

 

[Gronk_Brady]

We are per much in line with this stuff…

Oh and by the way, you are the only one that remembers me from years ago… and the reason I got banned was because people would insult me for constantly complaining about CJ, and the teams refusal to trade him… and I was baited into stooping to their level by insulting back. I was the fist and loudest voice in here against the Dame/CJ pairing. I turned out to be correct on that one. I don’t post unless I have a very strong feeling about something. I felt the need to come back because we were handed a quick rebuild on a silver platter by winning the 3rd pick in this draft to pair with Sharpe… and I don’t want to throw that away. If we give up such a valuable asset, it should be for near guarantee threat to compete for a title… and only Giannis, Embiid, and a healthy Zion would ensure that IMO, and only Zion is available at this time. I just think it would be an epic mistake to trade #3 pick for someone like Bridges who is good, but not good enough to change the team fortunes… and I want a title, not just playoffs.

 

[Tince]

Having heard new W's GM Dunlevy speak today at his introduction and say (roughly quoting) "we love Draymond and aren't a contender without him" I'd put the Blazers chances of signing him solidly around zero. To acquire him, the W's would have to agree to a S&T with Portland (following the GPII bad blood) where they'd be taking back Nurk or Ant in a salary swap. Why would they want Ant when they've got Poole or Nurk at all?

STOMP

Is there any GM right now who doesn't pubically say they love the players on their roster and their spot in the draft?

I agree a S&T isn't likely, but for different reasons. Getting him for MLE almost seems more likely, and that doesn't seem likely at all!

 

[blazerkor]

OK trade Dame crowd let's just say that the Hornets take Scoot or trade pick 2 to a team that takes Scoot. Then let's say we just take Miller. Then Joe goes to Dame and tells him that he thinks the best move is to keep Miller, that he thinks the most value is to pick at 23 and that Ant isn't going to bring back as much value as he has on our roster. Then Joe also says that Brooklyn has called and offered a haul and Joe has called Phoenix and this is what's available.


Dame gets to play with Bridges, Claxton, DFS, Simmons who maybe Dame thinks he can straighten out, Cam Johsnon, Royce O'Neal and Patty Mills. We get to tell Brooklyn who to pick for us at 22 and 22, get two future firsts and a young starting C. Most likely rotation for us is Ant, Shae, Miller, pick 21, Ayton, pick 22, pick 23, Nas and Knox.

I do not want this to happen. I want Joe to finally swing for the fences and put a roster around Dame in a Blazers uniform that can contend. I guess this is just my faith in Joe wavering and me taking Dame at his word the last time I heard him speak.

 

[Natebishop3]

But do you honestly believe, I’m wondering what @Natebishop3 and @Gronk_Brady and @Mediocre Man and whoever else thinks too, do you guys honestly believe a Dame trade will happen? I think there’s so much pushback from some posters just because it seems so unlikely.

I have no idea. I have no clue what this team is going to do. If they take Scoot or Miller and intend to keep them, I have no idea what Dame will do. I know what he said but will he follow through?

But there’s what will happen and what should happen.

 

[wizenheimer]

Portland will NOT be landing any 2023 draft picks in a Dame trade. I don't care how many logical contortions you go thru, it just won't be happening

 

[Natebishop3]

OK trade Dame crowd let's just say that the Hornets take Scoot or trade pick 2 to a team that takes Scoot. Then let's say we just take Miller. Then Joe goes to Dame and tells him that he thinks the best move is to keep Miller, that he thinks the most value is to pick at 23 and that Ant isn't going to bring back as much value as he has on our roster. Then Joe also says that Brooklyn has called and offered a haul and Joe has called Phoenix and this is what's available.
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Dame gets to play with Bridges, Claxton, DFS, Simmons who maybe Dame thinks he can straighten out, Cam Johsnon, Royce O'Neal and Patty Mills. We get to tell Brooklyn who to pick for us at 22 and 22, get two future firsts and a young starting C. Most likely rotation for us is Ant, Shae, Miller, pick 21, Ayton, pick 22, pick 23, Nas and Knox.

I do not want this to happen. I want Joe to finally swing for the fences and put a roster around Dame in a Blazers uniform that can contend. I guess this is just my faith in Joe wavering and me taking Dame at his word the last time I heard him speak.

Why would we want Ayton though? And what do we do with Jerami Grant?

 

[blazerkor]

Why would we want Ayton though? And what do we do with Jerami Grant?

Jerami walks and we want Ayton because the dude is just as young as Ant and he has all star potential. Him and Ant would be the two guys with the most experience (still just 24) actually it would be Ayton by a mile because he's been starting since he got in the league. So we feed the dude that has a lot of experience but has never been consistently fed on offense and we see if he becomes a monster... in a good way.

 

[Natebishop3]

Jerami walks and we want Ayton because the dude is just as young as Ant and he has all star potential. Him and Ant would be the two guys with the most experience (still just 24) actually it would be Ayton by a mile because he's been starting since he got in the league. So we feed the dude that has a lot of experience but has never been consistently fed on offense and we see if he becomes a monster... in a good way.

I think we have to try to do a sign and trade for Grant. Or sign him and then trade him at the deadline. We can’t let an asset like that walk for nothing.

 

[blazerkor]

I think we have to try to do a sign and trade for Grant. Or sign him and then trade him at the deadline. We can’t let an asset like that walk for nothing.

That's fair.

 

[Tince]

I think we have to try to do a sign and trade for Grant. Or sign him and then trade him at the deadline. We can’t let an asset like that walk for nothing.

100%.

Letting him walk for nothing would be near malpractice.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's fair.

As long as the contract is reasonable, I’m sure there would be a ton of teams that would love to have him.

 

[blazerkor]

As long as the contract is reasonable, I’m sure there would be a ton of teams that would love to have him.

Yeah I think Jerami can find a team that wants him and doesn't have the cap space to sign him but does have some assets that would be valuable to us and some contracts that would expire after the upcoming season.

 

[Ed O]

As long as the contract is reasonable, I’m sure there would be a ton of teams that would love to have him.

Hmm... Portland got him for pretty cheap, which was great. It also seems to indicate that not many teams valued him when he was with the Pistons and available.

I don't know why he'd be worth more than he was then, given he's been injured and isn't getting any younger.

That's not to say it makes sense to let him walk, but definitely if we overpay him it would be a mistake on a variety of fronts.

 

[BonesJones]

You don’t like threads that debate one of the biggest decisions in team history, that all the national media is taking about as well?

I don't like a million threads debating this.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

But do you honestly believe, I’m wondering what @Natebishop3 and @Gronk_Brady and @Mediocre Man and whoever else thinks too, do you guys honestly believe a Dame trade will happen? I think there’s so much pushback from some posters just because it seems so unlikely.

I think the Blazers would prefer to keep Dame and to help him win. I'd suspect ultimately most likely one of a Zion Bridges Brown Siakam type trade happens.

I just hope we don't overpay.

But if none of those are available, I do think Blazers just pick BPA. I'd think Blazers will prefer Dame stays, but it's about 50/50 Dame pushes for a trade in the keeping the pick scenario IMO.

So that's maybe 40% we don't do a #3 trade, and 50% Dame gets traded in that case. So 80% chance Dame is here. Very real chance he is traded but most likely he is not.

We will potentially learn a lot more Thursday.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Portland will NOT be landing any 2023 draft picks in a Dame trade. I don't care how many logical contortions you go thru, it just won't be happening

Agreed, PDX is trying to bring someone in to play with Dame, those negotiations go up to the minute of the draft pick. There's not enough time to pivot to trade Dame negotiations.

Only way I could see a 2023 pick involved is if lets say it's with Houston whom both us and them are high on Amen at #4, and eventually he gets sent out into a 3 way Dame package. That would be more similar to Kevin Love Andrew Wiggins trade.

But there's no way we have a Dame trade involving picks in the teens or 20s. Dame trade is too far away right now and teams have too many different directions they would go at those points of the draft.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

OK trade Dame crowd let's just say that the Hornets take Scoot or trade pick 2 to a team that takes Scoot. Then let's say we just take Miller. Then Joe goes to Dame and tells him that he thinks the best move is to keep Miller, that he thinks the most value is to pick at 23 and that Ant isn't going to bring back as much value as he has on our roster. Then Joe also says that Brooklyn has called and offered a haul and Joe has called Phoenix and this is what's available.
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Dame gets to play with Bridges, Claxton, DFS, Simmons who maybe Dame thinks he can straighten out, Cam Johsnon, Royce O'Neal and Patty Mills. We get to tell Brooklyn who to pick for us at 22 and 22, get two future firsts and a young starting C. Most likely rotation for us is Ant, Shae, Miller, pick 21, Ayton, pick 22, pick 23, Nas and Knox.

I do not want this to happen. I want Joe to finally swing for the fences and put a roster around Dame in a Blazers uniform that can contend. I guess this is just my faith in Joe wavering and me taking Dame at his word the last time I heard him speak.

As Wiz said, no this trade won't happen with Dame for 2023 draft picks.

Ayton doesn't make sense if the Blazers are rebuilding, it would be better to get Ben Simmons junk salary but an extra draft pick.

 

[blazerkor]

As Wiz said, no this trade won't happen with Dame for 2023 draft picks.

Ayton doesn't make sense if the Blazers are rebuulding. it would be better to get Ben Simmons junk salary but an extra draft pick.

This is cool and all but just last year on July 1 a full week after the draft Rudy Gobert was traded to the Wolves for a package that included the rights to the Wolves 2022 FRP Walker Kessler. I doubt we get 2023 FRPs for Dame in a trade but it is definitely not impossible.

I don't want Dame traded, I want us to build a winner around him but if we're not doing that we should cash him in and one of the teams he said he would be cool with is the Nets who have two first round picks in this draft and if we did trade Dame there, agree to it between the draft and free agency and then execute it on July 10 then I would think it would make sense to include future draft picks and the rights to any player they draft in this draft that we are interested in.