Dame Time (for a trade)…

[BassPlaya]

I don't think this is about too many threads, nor too many opinions, or any of the many reasons folks are upset about the existence of this thread......or it's content.

It's about the last 30 years of the younger populace, needing more frontal lobe stimulation. We now have to keep talking about, repeating, and rehashing, because without it....boredom sets in. Patience is becoming a lost art. Just listen to radio 910. It is no longer enough to have someone speaking about sports. We need 3 people talking over each other. And when they repeat snippets of the broadcast? We put music with the 3 guys talking over each other. Movies need more explosions, and more deaths. We need entertainment on our phone....while we are at the sporting event.

Thursday will get here. Then we will know. In the mean time, I guess this thread is entertaining?

In all, we all get to talk here if we follow the "guidelines".

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

For the record. Im not trying to single anyone out, not trying to be a dick or anything. Im just voicing my annoyance and coming in here day after day to see new threads rehashing the same discussion in old threads. mim by no means telling people what to do or not to do but voicing what some ARE doing is/ can be annoying to others.

Im not offended. Im simply voicing my opinion like everyone else in this public forum, that it gets annoying reading the same ole stuff in so many new threads.


agreed if thread titles and polls were accurate and all inclusive it would likely not be near as annoying.

Carry on

 

[Strenuus]

Totally agreed. I bet most people bitching about this being created would be fine if someone opened one saying they want Dame to stay and retire as a Blazer. So their issue is the opinion differing from their own, not a new thread.

I can't stand all these huge threads on this site with hundreds of posts. I'd like to see more threads with new topics.

But you don't see me spamming all these mega threads complaining people are posting there. I wish we had less of those and more smaller threads with narrower subjects but people can create or post whatever they want.

This thread quickly got over 50 posts which shows OP created a good very worth subject to discuss.

Disagree. Both are annoying.

 

[Chris Craig]

I just want you to correctly quote the man. This is honestly the most boggling thing I have ever seen on this forum in 15 years.

The guy came out and openly talked about how he feels.... twice actually. He was very clear. I don't understand how it's open to interpretation but I guess everything is. I'm not panicking. I'm just incredulous at this point.

He wants veterans. He doesn't want rookies. I have said as much. He hasn't asked out. The Blazers will trade for veterans. He has never explicitly said, If A doesn't happen, trade my ass. He has let the Blazers know what he wants and they are listening.

 

[wizenheimer]

How is it biased?

it's biased because the either/or choice is bullshit. The Blazers are not confined by your narrow criteria, why should our thinking be?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I just want you to correctly quote the man. This is honestly the most boggling thing I have ever seen on this forum in 15 years.

The guy came out and openly talked about how he feels.... twice actually. He was very clear. I don't understand how it's open to interpretation but I guess everything is. I'm not panicking. I'm just incredulous at this point.

Nate, Dame ended the last public statement with “ i believe i will be a blazer next season”

What about that DOESNT go against the thought that its either this or that? Do you think that should not be a consideration when trying to determine Dames mindset?

Furthermore its Dames mindset. Do you not see how you are implying everyone else is stupid for not knowing his mindset, based on his statements?

i know you didn't call anyone stupid but you are dancing around that pole. Your insistence that its clearly black and white is the falicy.
It is far from black and white and his last statement was clear on that.
What you are failing to do is compromise the fact that nobody is in Dames head, so noone can give a factual black and white answer like you insist there is.
Now you are back to spinning the same thing discussed last week that annoyed so many… so lets do it all over again this week.
Yay…

 

[Chris Craig]

it's biased because the either/or choice is bullshit. The Blazers are not confined by your narrow criteria, why should our thinking be?

There aren't very many choices. Likely it will be something close to B.

 

[Natebishop3]

He wants veterans. He doesn't want rookies. I have said as much.

True.

He hasn't asked out.

Well yeah. There's no reason to... yet. We haven't had the draft yet. We aren't in the put up or shut up time period yet. He has no reason to really be upset yet (unless the team has told him something behind the scenes.)

The Blazers will trade for veterans.

Maybe. Not sure if it will happen or not. I could see the team taking the pick at 3. I think they will trade Simons though, so they could still add some veterans.

He has never explicitly said, If A doesn't happen, trade my ass. He has let the Blazers know what he wants and they are listening.

Not in so many words. If people choose to believe "we will have a different conversation" means something other than discussing a possible trade, so be it.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

it's biased because the either/or choice is bullshit. The Blazers are not confined by your narrow criteria, why should our thinking be?

It’s your opinion that it’s bs to choose a direction. I think it’s fair to ask fans which path they would choose if they fully commit one way or the other.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Chris Craig]

True.



Well yeah. There's no reason to... yet. We haven't had the draft yet. We aren't in the put up or shut up time period yet. He has no reason to really be upset yet (unless the team has told him something behind the scenes.)



Maybe. Not sure if it will happen or not. I could see the team taking the pick at 3. I think they will trade Simons though, so they could still add some veterans.



Not in so many words. If people choose to believe "we will have a different conversation" means something other than discussing a possible trade, so be it.

What the Blazers do with the pick likely depends on who is left at three. I believe they will trade it along with Simons for a starish player and another pick.

Maybe Dame will eventually ask out. We don't know. Those closest to him say it won't happen. There was this whole media circus last summer about him being traded and it didn't happen. Should we be prepared for the possibility, sure. Is it imminent, no.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

True.



Well yeah. There's no reason to... yet. We haven't had the draft yet. We aren't in the put up or shut up time period yet. He has no reason to really be upset yet (unless the team has told him something behind the scenes.)



Maybe. Not sure if it will happen or not. I could see the team taking the pick at 3. I think they will trade Simons though, so they could still add some veterans.



Not in so many words. If people choose to believe "we will have a different conversation" means something other than discussing a possible trade, so be it.

Nate, no one is saying a different discussion doesn't meant possible trade.
What we are pushing back on is he will demand a trade. He may very well have a trade discussion and both parties agree its still not in either of their best interests due to the return or where Dame could end up with wherever he went.
He has gone on record saying a trade for him may not be best because then after they trade, what is that team left with and will it be any better of a situation than Portland?

These are words you conveniently disregard when you keep speaking on this topic. Im sure this post will be disregarded as well..

yes a discussion will likely be had. What that means, you don't know.

 

[Chris Craig]

It’s your opinion that it’s bs to choose a direction. I think it’s fair to ask fans which path they would choose if they fully commit one way or the other.

There is a surprisingly considerable group here who wants to trade Dame.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

All the Trade Dame posts remind me of this...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

All the Trade Dame posts remind me of this...

Dame is Dame but a draft pick could even be a Dame!

 

[Tince]

But keeping Dame is not getting us a top75 player going forward, that's what he did over the last decade, not what he'll do over the next decade.

LBJ MJ Wilt and Kareem are only players to lead a team to a title older than Dame. Thinking Dame will join that group is an illogical way to build a contending team. Much more likely the Blazers hit on #3 pick eventually winning a title as many dozens of teams have done.

Eventually Dame's production will reduce. I'm guessing if we were having this debate last summer, you would've also said he was past his peak, and yet he had his most efficient season of his career.

I'm suspect that those 4 are the only players over the age of 32 to lead their teams to a championship, but I'll take you at your word because I haven't looked it up myself. I would agree that the odds Dame wins a title in Portland as their best player is very low. I disagree that the #3 pick in this years draft is much more likely to eventually win a title in Portland as their best player. There are a handful of reasons it's not likely at all.

 

[Chris Craig]

Dame is Dame but a draft pick could even be a Dame!

I'll take Dame.

 

[Natebishop3]

What the Blazers do with the pick likely depends on who is left at three. I believe they will trade it along with Simons for a starish player and another pick.

Maybe Dame will eventually ask out. We don't know. Those closest to him say it won't happen. There was this whole media circus last summer about him being traded and it didn't happen. Should we be prepared for the possibility, sure. Is it imminent, no.

Yeah, true, but last summer Dame didn't come out and publicly say "if you take another 19 year old rookie we're going to have a different conversation (summarized)." It has been two years since the first rumors about Dame being unhappy came out. We have tanked two years in a row and we're not really any closer to contending than we were two years ago. I don't think we can look at last summer and apply the same logic to this summer. Dame is a year older, he has yet to see any progress to his request for a competitive team, and if the team comes out and takes the pick at 3...... I don't know man.

 

[Natebishop3]

All the Trade Dame posts remind me of this...

If we keep Dame, it's going to be super interesting to revisit this conversations in 4-5 years.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

There is a surprisingly considerable group here who wants to trade Dame.

If we stayed at pick 5, or dropped lower, it would be 100% consensus to trade the pick to improve roster. It’s the fact that we won the lottery with a chance to draft a generational talent at pick #3, combined with Dame’s comments that a conversation needs to be had if we keep the pick, that has fans divided. No one wants to trade Dame just to trade Dame. We just see a bright future with Sharpe and #3 pick, and don’t want to throw it away for an attempt at competing next 3 years when probability of winning a title is not realistic.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yeah, true, but last summer Dame didn't come out and publicly say "if you take another 19 year old rookie we're going to have a different conversation (summarized)." It has been two years since the first rumors about Dame being unhappy came out. We have tanked two years in a row and we're not really any closer to contending than we were two years ago. I don't think we can look at last summer and apply the same logic to this summer. Dame is a year older, he has yet to see any progress to his request for a competitive team, and if the team comes out and takes the pick at 3...... I don't know man.

Again, Dame is putting pressure on the team to put together a better team. They are listening. We'll see what happens.

 

[Tince]

If we keep Dame, it's going to be super interesting to revisit this conversations in 4-5 years.

If we trade Dame, it's going to be super interesting to revise this conversation in 4-5 years.

Actually, neither will be interesting because the side that got what they wanted will still say "it still ended up better than going the other direction." or point to all the other mistakes outside of #3 vs Dame that caused things to not work out.

 

[Natebishop3]

Again, Dame is putting pressure on the team to put together a better team. They are listening. We'll see what happens.

He has been applying pressure... but at what point does "applying pressure" turn into "I'm done waiting."

Or do you think that Dame won't get to that point? By that I mean, do you think it's all bluster and he wouldn't ask for a trade if the Blazers call his bluff?

 

[Chris Craig]

If we stayed at pick 5, or dropped lower, it would be 100% consensus to trade the pick to improve roster. It’s the fact that we won the lottery with a chance to draft a generational talent at pick #3, combined with Dame’s comments that a conversation needs to be had if we keep the pick, that has fans divided. No one wants to trade Dame just to trade Dame. We just see a bright future with Sharpe and #3 pick, and don’t want to throw it away for an attempt at competing next 3 years when probability of winning a title is not realistic.

Scoot and Sharpe will never be as good as Dame and Sharpe.

 

[tykendo]

Let’s break down the situation:

• Dame will be 33 years old to start this season
• He has played 29 and 58 games last 2 seasons
• His age will be 33, 34, 35, 36 for the next 4 years of his contract
• He will make $46, $49, $56, $63 million per the next 4 years of his contract
• Getting a Top 3 pick in a draft is rare… and this draft is supposed to be the best in years, w/highly regarded top 3 players
• We hit the jackpot last year with potential superstar in Sharpe
• We have Simons, who averaged 21 ppg at 23 years old who is similar to Dame but bigger, younger, and cheaper
• Trading these young assets for win now player can set the rebuild back a decade
• Unless we get a superstar like Giannis, Embiid, or a healthy Zion… I don’t see any possible acquisition that can take a team from 5th worst to title contender
• For a potential new roster to even be competitive, it would take time for the players to gel… and would have to assume Dame stays healthy from age 33-36
• The west is extremely stacked… w/Suns trade and other teams likely to make moves… and the Nuggets will be near unbeatable with their talent, experience, and chemistry
• This is probably the last chance we have to get any significant return for Dame in trade

I just don’t see any realistic path forward keeping Dame… and his comments suggest he would want out if we keep the draft pick. I strongly believe it’s the right time to part ways.

What do you guys think?

Poppycock

 

[Chris Craig]

He has been applying pressure... but at what point does "applying pressure" turn into "I'm done waiting."

Or do you think that Dame won't get to that point? By that I mean, do you think it's all bluster and he wouldn't ask for a trade if the Blazers call his bluff?

We will see.

 

[Natebishop3]

If we trade Dame, it's going to be super interesting to revise this conversation in 4-5 years.

Actually, neither will be interesting because the side that got what they wanted will still say "it still ended up better than going the other direction." or point to all the other mistakes outside of #3 vs Dame that caused things to not work out.

If we trade Dame, we will never know what would have happened. We can speculate. Obviously we can lament bad draft picks or rebuilding. Or we can see where Dame goes and wish that was us.

If he goes to Miami and wins a ring, are fans going to say "that could have been us!"

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Scoot and Sharpe will never be as good as Dame and Sharpe.

But if Scoot isn't good as Dame it means we won't have to pay him as much as Dame and then we could finally have the money to sign one of the many free agents lining up to play here.

 

[Natebishop3]

We will see.

No, I'm curious. Do you think Dame would follow through and ask for a trade if the team doesn't add any significant veterans this summer?

 

[Tince]

If we stayed at pick 5, or dropped lower, it would be 100% consensus to trade the pick to improve roster. It’s the fact that we won the lottery with a chance to draft a generational talent at pick #3, combined with Dame’s comments that a conversation needs to be had if we keep the pick, that has fans divided. No one wants to trade Dame just to trade Dame. We just see a bright future with Sharpe and #3 pick, and don’t want to throw it away for an attempt at competing next 3 years when probability of winning a title is not realistic.

Not for me.

Unlike you and many others, my decision on if we should trade #3, trade Dame, or do neither are very much weighted on what assets are available in exchange for those things.

If Dame could net us Luka, but #3 couldn't, I'd trade him in a second.
If #3 could net us Luka, but Dame couldn't, I'm kissing the #3 pick goodbye.
If the best we could get for #3 or Dame was Duncan Robinson and 5 second round picks, I'm keeping both.

I have no clue how people can think one direction is the best, regardless of what we get in exchange.