Damian Lillards career year

[Nate]

Having a career year in:
Ppg
FgM
Fg%
TS%
2p%
eFG%
FT%
FTM
FTA
Reb
PER

And he's improved his FG% (by a lot) from every distance from the hoop, besides 3 pointers.

It would be an extreme snub for him to not make the all star team.

He's also doing this with the worst team around him, compared to every other point guard. Even OKC has a better supporting cast. While curry and cp3 get to play with multiple all-NBA players and all-stars.

I think this year it goes:
RW
JH
Curry
CP3
Dame



I think those are the top pg's in the entire league, they just so happen to be in the western conference.

 

[THE HCP]

But according to this place he sucks and needs to be traded. I'm so confused.

 

[illmatic99]

Not to be pedantic, but he just got outplayed head to head in 3 of the 4 games on this past road trip against Wall, Kemba, and Isaiah.

 

[KingSpeed]

Russ W doesn't have a player as good as CJ with him in OKC. Dame is no shoe in especially since some coaches may be picking CJ instead of Dame as their Portland pick. That could kill Dame's chances. I think Dame will make it though.

 

[Nate]

But according to this place he sucks and needs to be traded. I'm so confused.

Don't act like you don't want him on the lakers.

 

[Nate]

Not to be pedantic, but he just got outplayed head to head in 3 of the 4 games on this past road trip against Wall, Kemba, and Isaiah.

I agree, but I don't think that road trip defines him overall as a player. Or his ranking.

 

[illmatic99]

I agree, but I don't think that road trip defines him overall as a player. Or his ranking.

I'd put Isaiah and Wall and Lowry ahead of Dame this year. Not as much Dame slipping as much as the other dudes ballin out of their minds. Wall's defense this season is back to where it was two seasons ago.

Edit: It's funny I was arguing against this very notion about other guys passing Dame just a month ago. Crazy how fast this stuff changes.

 

[Nate]

Russ W doesn't have a player as good as CJ with him in OKC. Dame is no shoe in especially since some coaches may be picking CJ instead of Dame as their Portland pick. That could kill Dame's chances. I think Dame will make it though.

He doesn't have a better player than Cj, but after him, okc has more talent, and better defensive players. Oladipo, Adams, kanter, etc. Oladipo may not be better than Cj offensively, but he's actually a really good defender, and he's a freak athletically.

 

[Reep]

And he has a career high in defensive rating (115). Oh wait . . . is that a bad thing?

Career low in DWS and WS.

Nobody is saying he isn't good on one end of the court. He is just much worse on the other end. Unfortunately, you kind of have to play on both ends.

 

[Nate]

And he has a career high in defensive rating (115). Oh wait . . . is that a bad thing?

Career low in DWS and WS.

Nobody is saying he isn't good on one end of the court. He is just much worse on the other end. Unfortunately, you kind of have to play on both ends.

I'm not denying him being a bad defender, a lot of top offensive players are. But those stats are also dependent upon who you're playing with, and the coach you're playing for, so...

He's definitely not a worse defender this year. He's just playing with a horrible defensive team, with very little talent outside of an even worse defensive player in CJ.

CP3 would have a career year in those stats too if he was on this team.

 

[KingSpeed]

And he has a career high in defensive rating (115). Oh wait . . . is that a bad thing?

Career low in DWS and WS.

Nobody is saying he isn't good on one end of the court. He is just much worse on the other end. Unfortunately, you kind of have to play on both ends.

But on most nights, he outscores his opponent.

 

[Nate]

I'd put Isaiah and Wall and Lowry ahead of Dame this year. Not as much Dame slipping as much as the other dudes ballin out of their minds. Wall's defense this season is back to where it was two seasons ago.

Edit: It's funny I was arguing against this very notion about other guys passing Dame just a month ago. Crazy how fast this stuff changes.

I could see Lowry for the defense. But I'm not sold on Wall, he has the same per, but lower ts%

Thomas is like Damian-Lillard-light to me.

If dame had that Boston team around him, I think we would be 3rd in the west.

If Thomas had portlands roster around him, they would be even worse off than we are.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

He's probably a top 8-10 PG.

I'd go:

Steph Curry (self explanatory)
Russell Westbrook (triple double machine)
James Harden (technically he is a PG)
Chris Paul (point "god")
John Wall (carrying Wiz roster that's just as bad as ours)
Isaiah Thomas (clutch gene, almost 30 ppg)
Michael Conley (two way grinder)
Kyle Lowry
Kyrie Irving/Damian Lillard/Kemba Walker/ - take your pick

 

[KingSpeed]

Most of those teams would trade their PG for Lillard.

 

[KingSpeed]

And where was Thomas' clutch gene on Saturday?

 

[Nate]

He's probably a top 8-10 PG.

I'd go:

Steph Curry (self explanatory)
Russell Westbrook (triple double machine)
James Harden (technically he is a PG)
Chris Paul (point "god")
John Wall (carrying Wiz roster that's just as bad as ours)
Isaiah Thomas (clutch gene, almost 30 ppg)
Michael Conley (two way grinder)
Kyle Lowry
Kyrie Irving/Damian Lillard/Kemba Walker/ - take your pick

I don't understand the Mike Conley love.
Thomas is a worse defender, rebounder, passer, and scorer. He's also less athletic.
Kyrie and Kemba are a tier below in my opinion.

Thomas just has the benefit of being on a team where all they need/want him to do is score. He plays with great defenders at every position. And an amazing coach.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

And where was Thomas' clutch gene on Saturday?

0:40 Isaiah Thomas makes driving layup 111 - 110
0:14 Isaiah Thomas misses 20-foot jumper 111 - 110

OT

3:31 Isaiah Thomas misses 12-foot step back jumpshot 115 - 113
1:23 Isaiah Thomas makes 25-foot three point jumper (Marcus Smart assists) 117 - 118
0:44 Isaiah Thomas makes free throw 1 of 2 122 - 119
0:44 Isaiah Thomas makes free throw 2 of 2 122 - 120
0:07 Isaiah Thomas makes 27-foot three pointer 125 - 123

You're kidding right? Did you watch the game? That was just a great basketball game. You're aware of Isaiah Thomas' 4th quarter stats this year right?

 

[KingSpeed]

Thomas is the third leading scorer in the NBA. And he averages more assists than Lillard.

 

[Minstrel]

I think Irving and Lillard are almost identically valuable.

I'd also put Antetokounmpo ahead of Lillard, as he's been playing point guard for Milwaukee this year (and since it's been a huge success, he's likely to keep doing so).

 

[KingSpeed]

0:40 Isaiah Thomas makes driving layup 111 - 110
0:14 Isaiah Thomas misses 20-foot jumper 111 - 110

OT

3:31 Isaiah Thomas misses 12-foot step back jumpshot 115 - 113
1:23 Isaiah Thomas makes 25-foot three point jumper (Marcus Smart assists) 117 - 118
0:44 Isaiah Thomas makes free throw 1 of 2 122 - 119
0:44 Isaiah Thomas makes free throw 2 of 2 122 - 120
0:07 Isaiah Thomas makes 27-foot three pointer 125 - 123

You're kidding right? Did you watch the game? That was just a great basketball game. You're aware of Isaiah Thomas' 4th quarter stats this year right?

I was at the game and Thomas missed what would've been the game winner at the end of regulation. In fact, it's right there in your post.

 

[Reep]

Defensive Rating for 2016-17 for guards who play > 25 min/game

103 Westbrook, Paul
105 Curry
106 Rondo, Hill, Conley
107 Wall, Wade, Holiday, James F'ing Harden
....
113 CJ . . .
115 Dame, Collison, Rose (all tied for last)

Another way to look at it . . .

Defensive Rating for 1976-2017 for all Portland guards playing > 25 min/game

98 Hollins 1977, Hollins 1976
99 Twardzik 1976
. . .
102 Stoudamire 1998
...
112 Blake 2007, Jack 2006, Dame 2012
113 CJ 2016
114, Dixon 2005
115 Dame 2016, Blake 2005 (tied for last, 87-88 out of 88)

Get the picture? This isn't just below average defense. For 2016 the starting back court has two of the worst defensive performances in the last forty years.

 

[KingSpeed]

I think Irving and Lillard are almost identically valuable.

I'd also put Antetokounmpo ahead of Lillard, as he's been playing point guard for Milwaukee this year (and since it's been a huge success, he's likely to keep doing so).

Dame is averaging more points and assists than him.

 

[Nate]

He's probably a top 8-10 PG.

I'd go:

Steph Curry (self explanatory)
Russell Westbrook (triple double machine)
James Harden (technically he is a PG)
Chris Paul (point "god")
John Wall (carrying Wiz roster that's just as bad as ours)
Isaiah Thomas (clutch gene, almost 30 ppg)
Michael Conley (two way grinder)
Kyle Lowry
Kyrie Irving/Damian Lillard/Kemba Walker/ - take your pick

Would you say that Damian Lillard, is "feast or famine"?

 

[A$AP Meyers]

I was at the game and Thomas missed what would've been the game winner at the end of regulation. In fact, it's right there in your post.

That wasn't a game winner, both teams had a possession left after that shot.

Damian Lillard bricked an ISO pull up for the win in regulation, but that doesn't mean he wasn't clutch down the stretch of that game.

 

[Minstrel]

Dame is averaging more points and assists than him.

Unfortunately, raw PPG and APG aren't the only measures that matter.

 

[Nate]

Thomas is the third leading scorer in the NBA. And he averages more assists than Lillard.

Must be nice playing on that team, with that coach.

 

[Rhal]

0:40 Isaiah Thomas makes driving layup 111 - 110
0:14 Isaiah Thomas misses 20-foot jumper 111 - 110

OT

3:31 Isaiah Thomas misses 12-foot step back jumpshot 115 - 113
1:23 Isaiah Thomas makes 25-foot three point jumper (Marcus Smart assists) 117 - 118
0:44 Isaiah Thomas makes free throw 1 of 2 122 - 119
0:44 Isaiah Thomas makes free throw 2 of 2 122 - 120
0:07 Isaiah Thomas makes 27-foot three pointer 125 - 123

You're kidding right? Did you watch the game? That was just a great basketball game. You're aware of Isaiah Thomas' 4th quarter stats this year right?

http://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/
Clutch stats. He is 2nd in the NBA. Dame is 4th.

 

[Rhal]

Dame is a bad defender and this year has been worse then normal, that doesn't' discount the fact he has been really really good offensively. Its not just Dame being bad on D either, our entire team is bad on D this year.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

http://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/
Clutch stats. He is 2nd in the NBA. Dame is 4th.

Yeah except Thomas is shooting 48% both from the field and from 3, while Damian is shooting 38% from the field and 23% from 3.

You're just looking at total points LOL.

 

[Rhal]

Yeah except Thomas is shooting 48% both from the field and from 3, while Damian is shooting 38% from the field and 23% from 3.

You're just looking at total points LOL.

Sorry that the stats I provided you apparently you think is stupid. Since you didn't care to provide stats but want to talk about them, how about you actually post some next time?