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Just too risky to give up yet another 1st plus a 2nd and probably a prospect, for a team that isn't close like the Caps. I do have an uneasy feeling he may stay there but turning down NY and your fav team would be tough.
 
He's not going to stay there. Washington is a dump, full of liberal pussies.
 
I think it was a great deal by the Caps. They make the ECF or better and we are talking about a 1st in the very late 20's and a pick that will be later in the 2nd round in 2019 I'd think. If they get bounced again by the Pens in round 2 it is a late mid 20's pick and a 7th rounder (unless they can get a better pick by dealing Shatty's rights before July 1...which would be to their advantage).

That is a HR for a team in total win now mode. That isn't much, and it's way less than what the Wild gave up for Hanzal. A 1st, a for sure 2nd, and maybe even another 2nd if they make the WCF (a 3rd if they lose in round 2 to the Hawks).

Where do you value winning kreider? Do you really value the 28th pick over clearly increasing your odds to win a cup...really? Are DL prices high...YES, but that's the going rate. If you don't take your shots you fall behind the teams that make the DL moves. And the Caps are right there, and haven't dealt away a whole bunch of 1st's like we have. I knew a 1st was a must, you see how these DL deals work.

For us it was a good no move. We aren't as good as the Caps, plus it would have been a lock 1st and 2nd because Shatty would resign here making the 2019 pick a 2nd rounder regardless of results in the playoffs this year. So good no move by Gorton, I agree totally. We aren't on the same level as the Caps right now...that's reality...let alone all the picks we have traded the past few years.

As for him signing here this summer, I'd say we are the favs, but you never know. He falls in love with DC, the Bruins make a huge offer, we make a good offer but won't go near 6 mill per. A lot of things can happen.

I would say he'll sign here for upper 5's per long term...maybe a 5.7 or 5.8 AAV (a little NY discount), but if we don't offer mid to upper 5's per he won't come here, and he may want 6 per, which is what he turned down from TB. So it is no lock...things can happen.

As for today/tomorrow, Gorton needs to add a dman, let's see what he can get done. I have faith in him.
 
Of course you think it was a great deal Chuck. You love pissing away picks and top prospects for offensive defenseman. See Yandle which was a complete bust.
 
Again...not sure who Chuck is, but I will assume you are replying to my post.

1. You have no clue how I felt about the Yandle deal since I just started posting on this board this season. I actually didn't love the Yandle deal, didn't hate it but didn't love it either, but I do think it is the worst deal we have made over this past few season stretch.
2. All you care about are picks and prospects. You would be the perfect GM for a team in the middle of no where that never actually wants to win, but loves to deal for picks and prospects. Rinse and repeat. Are you the GM of the Arizona Coyotes.
3. The fact that you would see a team that is # 1 in the league and clearly a big SC threat deal a pick in the late 20's for Shatty and say it was a bad deal is all anyone needs to know. The second pick only becomes a 2nd if he is NOT a rental and signs long term with the Caps OR if they make the ECF at least. So zero downside I don't believe. If he stays fair price. If they get past the Pens to the ECF at least, they would take that in a heartbeat.

Great deal for the Caps IMO, and WAY less than what the Wild paid for a lesser player in Hanzal.
 
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RangersFan said:
Again...not sure who Chuck is, but I will assume you are replying to my post.
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Come on dude, this is getting a little bizarre.

Also, I dont think this is a good deal for the Caps. They already have Carlson and Niskanen on the right side. Carlson has been running the point on their powerplay for a few years now and is damn good there. He isnt great defensively, so Shattenkirk may help in that regard, but why pay such a premium for a guy who also brings offense from the back end when it isn't a huge need?

To me it looks like the Caps were also paying up to keep him away from Pitt (who clearly needs D help) and us (who needs D help even more than Pitt). They paid a very expensive price for a guy who doesnt fill an obvious need the way Yandle filled one for us.
 
theProdigy223 said:
Come on dude, this is getting a little bizarre.

Also, I dont think this is a good deal for the Caps. They already have Carlson and Niskanen on the right side. Carlson has been running the point on their powerplay for a few years now and is damn good there. He isnt great defensively, so Shattenkirk may help in that regard, but why pay such a premium for a guy who also brings offense from the back end when it isn't a huge need?

To me it looks like the Caps were also paying up to keep him away from Pitt (who clearly needs D help) and us (who needs D help even more than Pitt). They paid a very expensive price for a guy who doesnt fill an obvious need the way Yandle filled one for us.
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if he isn't that good defensively then why would the pens need him if they clearly need help on d?

i personally think you guys should've dealt a 1st and 2nd if thats all it took to land him. yeah i know your going to say we have no picks and this and that but honestly your more then HALFWAY through a hard regular season grind and you have to think whoever comes out of the east will probably win the cup. that being said why wait til the summer to land him and then have to start the grind all over again? what if lundqvist rips up his knee in october? out for the year? your this close i say go all in.


in all honesty your pick and the caps pick would be in the late 20s so who cares? if it gives you a little better chance at winning the cup? a pick at #25-30 this year isn't going to solve your prospect pool 5 years from now. unless you hit the lotto and draft a star player that late in the draft.


just my .02 i'm glad as a devils fan you didn't land shatenkirk at the deadline. go ahead and get him in the summer for "free" but you have to start the daily grind all over again and hope to be back in this spot next year.
 
nj cup said:
if he isn't that good defensively then why would the pens need him if they clearly need help on d?
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Carlson isnt that good defensively. My very next sentence says Shattenkirk will help in that regard (as in, he will help defensively).

And our pick being in the late 20s matters more because we havent had a first round pick since Brady Skjei in 2012. Four straight years with no first rounders, last year with no second rounder as well. Given the state of our farm our first rounders are much more important to us than the Caps' first rounders are to them. We can't keep banking on college FAs like Hayes and Vesey to make up for those. Im glad we sat this one out.
 
Also, for what it's worth, Ive seen from multiple insiders now that the roster player the Blues wer demanding from us was Buch, and it was non-negotiable. Another reason for us to sit tight.
 
It is funny to me that all you guys think I am this Chuck dude...I AM NOT.

Anyway, I guess I don't see the premium. Oh no the 29th pick in the NHL draft...not a huge deal unless you have traded 1st after 1st year after year. The 2nd is only a 2nd if they make the ECF or Shatty resigns with the Caps, neither of which are a given. But if either happen the Caps would be delighted I'm sure. A trip to the ECF means they beat the Pens and play a lesser Atlantic team in the ECF, so good shot a SCF berth is there as well.

They added the most impact dman on the market, a top 4 dman, who scores 40 plus points a season, and they did it for the 29th pick +/-. AND they kept him away from the Rangers and Pens, their two biggest challengers in the East.

Grand slam for the Caps IMO. And if they lose to the Pens in round 2...okay they dealt the 27th pick and a 7th for Shatty...oh no. Go look at what the Wild dealt for Hanzal.
 
And I totally agree with you on our situation 223. We have dealt too many 1st's recently. And we are not in the Cap's position either of being one of the clear top teams. We are right there on the edge maybe. They are a clear top team. So smart for us to sit this one out.

I actually read Gorton would deal the 1st, but no way deal a top 9 forward, and Buch was in that category.

Smart move to pass, now go add another dman by tomorrow at 3 PM.
 
theProdigy223 said:
Carlson isnt that good defensively. My very next sentence says Shattenkirk will help in that regard (as in, he will help defensively).

And our pick being in the late 20s matters more because we havent had a first round pick since Brady Skjei in 2012. Four straight years with no first rounders, last year with no second rounder as well. Given the state of our farm our first rounders are much more important to us than the Caps' first rounders are to them. We can't keep banking on college FAs like Hayes and Vesey to make up for those. Im glad we sat this one out.
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but thats what i mean you are already 150% commited to win now by not having those picks for the last 4 years and have nothing to show for it. so really what is 1 more year without a late round pick? i can see if the rangers were a bubble team then yeah obviously you don't trade the pick away but give me the player that can help me TODAY have a shot at winning the cup instead of a pick at #27 that maybe might help 5 years from now. your basically putting a band-aid on your prospect pool imo.

yes you have to start somewhere with building for the future but imo you don't do it when your one of 5 teams that have a legit shot at the cup and like i said i really think whoever comes out of the east will win the cup. they will at the least be favorites to win the cup. instead? he gets dealt to your rival who your going to maybe face in the playoffs? i agree if the price for the rangers was more then what the caps paid i would hesitate a bit but just going by what the caps paid its a no brainer.

caps win the cup this year you think they care if they dont have a pick in the draft?
 
RangersFan said:
And I totally agree with you on our situation 223. We have dealt too many 1st's recently. And we are not in the Cap's position either of being one of the clear top teams. We are right there on the edge maybe. They are a clear top team. So smart for us to sit this one out.

I actually read Gorton would deal the 1st, but no way deal a top 9 forward, and Buch was in that category.

Smart move to pass, now go add another dman by tomorrow at 3 PM.
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i agree that the caps and pens are in a higher "class" then the rangers but your kidding yourself if you dont think in a 7 game series its not a big difference.
 
I have no clue what your point is nj. Right now the Caps and Pens are better than the Rangers...that is reality. In the NHL playoffs things happen though. If we add a dman and are lucky enough to meet one in the ECF, we'll give it our best shot and go from there. All we can do.

As I said yesterday, to me the Rangers are the 5th +/- best team in the NHL. Wild, Hawks, Pens, Caps better. Sharks and maybe the BJ's right in same area. Again that's reality.

My advice to you is focus on the Devs who have a LONG way to go to even get into the conversation to be an average team.
 
RangersFan said:
I have no clue what your point is nj. Right now the Caps and Pens are better than the Rangers...that is reality. In the NHL playoffs things happen though. If we add a dman and are lucky enough to meet one in the ECF, we'll give it our best shot and go from there. All we can do.

As I said yesterday, to me the Rangers are the 5th +/- best team in the NHL. Wild, Hawks, Pens, Caps better. Sharks and maybe the BJ's right in same area. Again that's reality.

My advice to you is focus on the Devs who have a LONG way to go to even get into the conversation to be an average team.
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lol whatever bro just coming over to have a hockey talk thats all.
 
nj cup said:
so really what is 1 more year without a late round pick?
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Well I think it's a combination of two things. To a lesser extent, you have to stop that mentality at some point. Not saying make a hard stop this year no matter what, but definitely taking a longer look at when you use that kind of currency.

And taking that longer look leads into the second part: the Caps and Pens are damn good. They are the clear favorites. If we were in the Caps seat, and Shattenkirk would be the piece to put us over the edge, I might say yeah fuck it let's saddle up and go.

Based on our current situation I think we would have had a great chance with him (I still think we have a good chance without him) but not such a great chance that it's worth giving up yet another first and going 5 years with no first rounder.

My point on why it doesnt make sense for the Caps was only that he didnt seem to fill a big need for them. If the Caps had defensive problems but were still the clear favorite, by all means go for it. Looking at their team it just didnt seem like Shatty was what they needed to be buying. Which is why I brought up the fact that they may have been just as motivated by the idea of keeping him away from the Pens/Rangers.

I think we can still improve the back end without giving up that first rounder and get closer to the Pens/Caps than we are right now. I have faith Gorton is going to find somebody and put us in a good position to be very competitive come playoff time.
 
I agree with everything you said 223.

But I believe Shatty does make the Caps better, and even deeper on D.
They didn't give up a ton by trading the 29th pick in the NHL draft.
And even if the motivation was keep him away from the Rangers and especially the Pens, it was worth it IMO. Imagine if the Pens added him to their pile of studs upfront? They would be the favorite's I believe. So that also makes it a good move by the Caps.

As for us, same page. Go add another dman to improve the back end for a lesser cost. No issues there.
 
theProdigy223 said:
Well I think it's a combination of two things. To a lesser extent, you have to stop that mentality at some point. Not saying make a hard stop this year no matter what, but definitely taking a longer look at when you use that kind of currency.

And taking that longer look leads into the second part: the Caps and Pens are damn good. They are the clear favorites. If we were in the Caps seat, and Shattenkirk would be the piece to put us over the edge, I might say yeah fuck it let's saddle up and go.

Based on our current situation I think we would have had a great chance with him (I still think we have a good chance without him) but not such a great chance that it's worth giving up yet another first and going 5 years with no first rounder.

My point on why it doesnt make sense for the Caps was only that he didnt seem to fill a big need for them. If the Caps had defensive problems but were still the clear favorite, by all means go for it. Looking at their team it just didnt seem like Shatty was what they needed to be buying. Which is why I brought up the fact that they may have been just as motivated by the idea of keeping him away from the Pens/Rangers.

I think we can still improve the back end without giving up that first rounder and get closer to the Pens/Caps than we are right now. I have faith Gorton is going to find somebody and put us in a good position to be very competitive come playoff time.
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i get the caps being in a better position to win then the rangers now but its kinda like a damn if you do damn if you don't type deal. i think anyone of the teams in the metro pens/caps/ny/jackets can win the east. thats just too tempting to me esp since you have committed so much to this win now. it really sucks too for the rangers imo because the west is finally weak enough to be beaten but this is now when the east is on the up tick and coming out of the east is the problem.

another thing if the rangers did trade for him they would then be able to offer him an 8 year deal instead of 7 to cut down term on any deal he does sign come july.
 
And Girardi is now out 10-14 days. Klein is still out most likely, but closer. So Kampfer was called up for tonight.

Gorton needs to add a dman, otherwise even the Atlantic bracket may not be enough for us. The teams over there added a couple of pieces already.
 
RangersFan said:
Wild and Hawks are not weak. I disagree nj.
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They're not weak, but I agree that the west as a whole is weaker than it has been. Hawks depth has dried up after giving those huge deals to Toews/Kane and we all know how important depth scoring is in the playoffs. Hard to be that scared of MIN but can't deny they are playing very well right now.
 
RangersFan said:
Wild and Hawks are not weak. I disagree nj.
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no they aren't "weak" but i'm not really sold on the wild until they can actually do something in the playoffs. i know that dub is having a great year and all but still until they can get past the hawks in the playoffs they aren't a threat. the hawks aren't what they use to be yeah they are still a very very dangerous team but making run after run takes a toll on you.

id be much more worried about the teams in the east getting through them

caps pens can easily beat the hawks or wild i think. rangers i think could also beat either one of them. jackets? i dont trust them right now. i think they are a 1st round ko
 
I happen to like the Wild a lot. They need to prove it though, and a 2nd round matchup with the Hawks will be tough. Meanwhile the Sharks will cruise to the WCF in the Pacific bracket.

I don't buy the BJ's either. Since their streak they are just over .500 overall. I think the Rangers are better. And yes the BJ's will lose round 1 to the Pens. No shame there, but an L is an L.
 
McKenzie says we're about to get Brendan Smith. Picks only (no first rounder).

I like him and I especially like the fact he has a bit of a mean streak. Way too soft on the back end and it's been a problem for years.
 
theProdigy223 said:
McKenzie says we're about to get Brendan Smith. Picks only (no first rounder).

I like him and I especially like the fact he has a bit of a mean streak. Way too soft on the back end and it's been a problem for years.
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Deal is done for a second and a third. The second is Ottawa's 2018 pick the Rangers had previously acquired and the third is the Rangers 2017 pick.
 
Minnesota is a solid deep team. That was a nice trade they made with Arizona to get Hanzal. It looks like they will be slotting Haula as a wing on the second line now.
 
I wonder if the Rangers are done. Considering there are 23 hours left until the DL, would they try to add another player. I wonder...
 
Bodie is out for another AHL player. I know 71 always had a thing for him so figured I'd point it out :)

He's old for a prospect now and obviously wasnt going to get a spot up here over Graves and probably Gilmour either. Good luck to him in BUF.
 
Paid way too much for a 20 game rental. Hoped gorton learned his lesson from last year but see he hasn't. A 2nd and a 3rd for brendan smith?? really!!
 
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