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maxiep said:
Well, the problem is that the majority of people have decided that the free market is bad right now and are looking to government to save the very thing they destroyed in the first place with their meddling.

If it's a debate about foreign policy, McCain has the advantage. However, the questions will be asked under the guise of "economic security" rather than "national security".
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well, what happens when McCain asks Obama about his connections with Freddie/Fannie in his campaign?
 
Xericx said:
well, what happens when McCain asks Obama about his connections with Freddie/Fannie in his campaign?
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Neither candidate gets to ask the other questions. None of the questioners will ask Obama why in his short time in the Senate he was second on the list of receivers of campaign funds from the GSEs.
 
maxiep said:
Neither candidate gets to ask the other questions. None of the questioners will ask Obama why in his short time in the Senate he was second on the list of receivers of campaign funds from the GSEs.
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they'll work it in though. mccain will mention it in his answer, obama will respond....and then we have BBF.com happen
 
Xericx said:
well, what happens when McCain asks Obama about his connections with Freddie/Fannie in his campaign?
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Well, considering that McCain's campaign manager was getting paid 15K a month by Fredddie Mac up until *last month* to do no work other than curry favor with The Maverick... I'm guessing that McCain won't want to go there.

SR
 
but seriously, most people aren't around on a Friday night. no one will watch, no one will care. in two weeks, teh climate will change again and this won't matter.
 
maxiep said:
Neither candidate gets to ask the other questions. None of the questioners will ask Obama why in his short time in the Senate he was second on the list of receivers of campaign funds from the GSEs.
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I have an answer: because he's running for president?

Who was number one? McCain? Hillary? Powerful committee chairs?
 
Stepping Razor said:
Well, considering that McCain's campaign manager was getting paid 15K a month by Fredddie Mac up until *last month* to do no work other than curry favor with The Maverick... I'm guessing that McCain won't want to go there.

SR
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And how has that worked for them? McCain has advocated for the merging of Fannie and Freddie, appointing an oversight board and severely restricting the scope of their business activities. It sounds like $15K a month down the toilet to me.
 
Stepping Razor said:
Dodd! Shoulda guessed Dodd, Senate Banking chair, so obvious.
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But I'm wondering why Obama is so far up there and Darlene Hooley has taken more money from the GSEs than McCain. Surely, if it were that he were a presidential candidate, he should have been given more money, don't you agree?

And for that Rick Davis accusation, his firm being on retainer (for which he is on leave) by Freddie Mac and his own book of business are two different things. I imagine you got that story from the NYT. It's sad; I remember when that paper did honest reporting.
 
If I were a betting man, I'd bet on Obama no matter the odds.

When people do get into the voting booth, they are going to have to make the real decision - the inexperienced fool, or the doddering old fool. At least with the Obama, you don't have to worry about him keeling over first week in office. With the political climate as it is, any Democrat nominated should win a big landslide.

That the race appears close is a combination of a number of factors, including...

McCain is actually a good candidate, not to be underestimated. His time was 8 years ago, not now tho.

Obama has run a horrible campaign. There's no humility to anything about it, so there's a disconnect with most people not on the left or east coasts. He can't shake the "inevitable" thing that people don't like, nor the "elitist" perception he exudes.

When the right is energized, it has more actual voters and well organized feet on the ground kinds of efforts. It's the religious right and all its social and church organizations vs. the unions. The people that knock on doors and hand out fliers and get people out to vote.

Obama's message is muddled. It's about "issues" but the issues are not really the ones people care about even if he's on the right side of them. When the "issues" are a long laundry list of policy wonk bullshit, peoples' eyes glaze over. He'd be better off picking 3 to 5 of them and really explaining his plans on those. Those being ones that really speak to the peoples' wants from government.

McCain's message is non-existent, but brilliantly crafted to knock the rock star pedestal from under Obama leaving not much left but his muddled message.

Biden's a good guy, smart, experienced and entertaining as a talking head on Chris Matthews' show. As a VP choice, he's absolutely the wrong guy, and this is something the campaign absolutely botched.

The Obama campaign really turned off Hillary's supporters. Many are holding their nose and supporting him only because he's at the top of the party's ticket (party over country!). Too many are supporting McCain. The math is simple - about 50M democratic votes in the election, 1/2 support Hillary, 20% of those support McCain now - that's 5M votes!

The recent AP survey on racial prejudices shows 1/3 of democrats have idiotic racial prejudices about black people. I am truly shocked that we're not beyond all the racial nonsense (black people are people, just as good as anyone else at anything). What people say to a pollster to avoid coming off as a racist and what they do in the privacy of the voting booth are two very different things. If it were Colin Powell or Condy Rice running on the republican side, it wouldn't be an issue - go figure.

The electoral map is too red/blue divided and fixed. The outcome of at least 40 of the states were determined regardless of the nominees. I take that back, a truly bad nominee on one side could alter things, but that's not the case.

Obama's rise in peoples' mindshare came about by pandering to his ATM, MoveOn.org, and railing against the efforts in Iraq. The situation has changed on the ground there so we're winning, seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, and it's effectively pulled that notion from his appeal.

"I hate W" isn't a winner. It makes one side look like petty haters and it shows in the polls.
 
Denny Crane said:
If I were a betting man, I'd bet on Obama no matter the odds.

When people do get into the voting booth, they are going to have to make the real decision - the inexperienced fool, or the doddering old fool. At least with the Obama, you don't have to worry about him keeling over first week in office. With the political climate as it is, any Democrat nominated should win a big landslide.

That the race appears close is a combination of a number of factors, including...

McCain is actually a good candidate, not to be underestimated. His time was 8 years ago, not now tho.

Obama has run a horrible campaign. There's no humility to anything about it, so there's a disconnect with most people not on the left or east coasts. He can't shake the "inevitable" thing that people don't like, nor the "elitist" perception he exudes.

When the right is energized, it has more actual voters and well organized feet on the ground kinds of efforts. It's the religious right and all its social and church organizations vs. the unions. The people that knock on doors and hand out fliers and get people out to vote.

Obama's message is muddled. It's about "issues" but the issues are not really the ones people care about even if he's on the right side of them. When the "issues" are a long laundry list of policy wonk bullshit, peoples' eyes glaze over. He'd be better off picking 3 to 5 of them and really explaining his plans on those. Those being ones that really speak to the peoples' wants from government.

McCain's message is non-existent, but brilliantly crafted to knock the rock star pedestal from under Obama leaving not much left but his muddled message.

Biden's a good guy, smart, experienced and entertaining as a talking head on Chris Matthews' show. As a VP choice, he's absolutely the wrong guy, and this is something the campaign absolutely botched.

The Obama campaign really turned off Hillary's supporters. Many are holding their nose and supporting him only because he's at the top of the party's ticket (party over country!). Too many are supporting McCain. The math is simple - about 50M democratic votes in the election, 1/2 support Hillary, 20% of those support McCain now - that's 5M votes!

The recent AP survey on racial prejudices shows 1/3 of democrats have idiotic racial prejudices about black people. I am truly shocked that we're not beyond all the racial nonsense (black people are people, just as good as anyone else at anything). What people say to a pollster to avoid coming off as a racist and what they do in the privacy of the voting booth are two very different things. If it were Colin Powell or Condy Rice running on the republican side, it wouldn't be an issue - go figure.

The electoral map is too red/blue divided and fixed. The outcome of at least 40 of the states were determined regardless of the nominees. I take that back, a truly bad nominee on one side could alter things, but that's not the case.

Obama's rise in peoples' mindshare came about by pandering to his ATM, MoveOn.org, and railing against the efforts in Iraq. The situation has changed on the ground there so we're winning, seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, and it's effectively pulled that notion from his appeal.

"I hate W" isn't a winner. It makes one side look like petty haters and it shows in the polls.
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It is an interesting dynamic, but the so-called "Party of Racism" is actually less racist than the so-called "Party of Inclusion". There is an uncomfortable union in the Democratic Party of highly-educated liberals and blue-collar rust-belt voters. The latter live hardscrabble lives and racism is a huge factor in their lives. Many not only grew up in white or black neighborhoods, but grew up in ethnic neighborhoods--in other words, ethnicity is a huge identifier for them.

On the flip side, many Republicans believe in a meritocracy, where neither race nor gender is an issue. I continue to believe that Sarah Palin's gender was only a happy coincidence, and not as important as her energizing the far right base.

I expect to be surprised in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan at how many people say they're voting one way and will vote another.
 
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How many times will Barack Obama says "Change"?
None +2000
1 - 5 Times +600
6 - 10 Times -350
11 - 15 Times +200
16 - 20 Times +280
Over 20 Times +250

Who will get the first audible laughter response from the audience?
Barack Obama -120
John McCain -120

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Barack Obama -120
John McCain -120

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Barack Obama -120
John McCain -120

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Over 9½ -130
Under 9½ -110

Who will request the first topic extension?
Barack Obama -120
John McCain -120

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Over 3 -120
Under 3 -120

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Over 4½ -130
Under 4½ -110

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Yes -200
No +150

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Under 2 -110

Will Bill Ayres name be mentioned during the debate?
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No -300

Will John McCain be asked how many houses he owns during the debate?
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No -160

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No +300

How many times will John McCain say "My Friends"?
Over 3½ -120
Under 3½ -120

Who will be the first candidate to refer to themselves as the candidate of change?
Barack Obama -140
John McCain Even

Who will be the first candidate to mention 9/11?
Barack Obama +110
John McCain -150

Who will be the first candidate to mention Osama Bin Laden?
Barack Obama +150
John McCain -200

How many times will the candidates begin a response with "That's a great question"?
Over 4½ -120
Under 4½ -120

How many times will McCain mention Bush?
None +200

1 - 5 Times -150

6 - 10 Times +300

11 - 15 Times +900

16 - 20 Times +1800

Over 20 Times +2200


Vice Presidential Debate

How many times will Joe Biden go over the time limit?
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Under 3 -110

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Over 2 -125
Under 2 -115

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It will be interesting to see if the bailout bill isn't done by Friday if either Obama or McCain show up in Mississippi on Friday. And if it's just Obama who shows, who looks worse? You have to imagine that McCain would buy an ad to explain why he wasn't there just before the debate.
 
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