Game Thread Ducks at Washington, 10/19 - 12:30pm

[wizenheimer]

Verdell sucks imo.. But that Habibi kid though deserves most of the runs. He’s nice..

I don't think Verdell sucks, but he has flaws. Just like Dye and Habibi-Likio

* Verdell has poor vision and no patience. His every instinct is to get the ball and blast ahead. usually with head down and leaning forward. That's why he misses so many holes and is so easily tripped. He has decent power and decent speed, but that still leaves him around average. He has been a good receiver though

* Dye has a little more patience than Verdell, but his vision is just as bad. He also has missed a lot of holes in favor of running into mobs. He also has some issues with ball security. He doesn't have the power of Verdell but he has about the same speed. He's arm tackled too much

* Habbibi-Likio has the best size and the most power of the three backs. He also seems to have the best vision and most patience. But he's slower than the other two with no break-away speed

CHL should definitely be ahead of Dye in the rotation. I'm not sure he should be ahead of Verdell. But the combination of what he does do well seems to fit the best into the type of downhill running attack that Cristobol wants to run. He may not get the number of 18 yard runs the other two backs get, but he likely wouldn't get stopped for 0 or 1 yard nearly as much. And the kryptonite for Oregon's offense the last 2 seasons has been 2nd and 9. If the Ducks consistently win 1st down, they have successful drives. But I guess that's true of most offenses

the big thing is that none of those 3 RB's should be the featured RB. They shouldn't be the starters. Mark Helfrich brought in Royce Freeman in 2014 and he was the last premier RB the Ducks recruited. The Ducks had about 20 straight years of having a premier RB, but they've had a 5 year recruiting drought.

It also doen't help that Oregon doesn't have any premier WR's. Guys who can stretch a defense vertically. Last year when they had Dillon Mitchell, they had somebody who needed the attention of a CB and safety. He was doubled constantly and still gained separation. When an offense can consistently take 2 defenders out of run support, they have more running space. It's also not a coincidence that Oregon's running game got better and better as Jacob Breeland gashed more and more defenses downfield. The threat of Breeland was freezing LB's and a safety for that critical second after the snap. He's a big loss that impacts the running game

sorry for the thesis....high octane coffee this morning makes me drool al over the keyboard

 

[tlongII]

It’s interesting that the Beavs have a better running game.

 

[AldoTrapani]

It’s interesting that the Beavs have a better running game.

Shit they might have a better offense

 

[wizenheimer]

It’s interesting that the Beavs have a better running game.

how did you come to that conclusion?

The Beavers average 4.9 yards; the Ducks average 4.8 yards. The Ducks average 174 yards; the Beavers 167 yards

the Beavs have faced an excellent defense in Utah. Oregon hasn't. And both teams have faced the Cal and Stanford defenses. Beavs had UCLA; Ducks had Washington. But while the Beavs were facing the 87th best run defense in Ok State, the Ducks were facing the 12th best in Auburn. While the Beavs were facing the 112th best run defense in Hawaii, the Ducks were facing the 42nd best in Nevada. Both teams have played an FCS team; the Beavs played 2-5 Cal Poly, the Ducks played 5-2 Montana.

Basically, the Beavs have a little better RB's (when Jefferson is healthy). The Ducks have a better OLine

 

[STOMP]

I think he will be a top 5 qb taken the in the draft.

You and everyone else, though everyone else thinks he'll be a top 5 pick.

STOMP

 

[oldmangrouch]

You and everyone else, though everyone else thinks he'll be a top 5 pick.

STOMP

I'll say the same thing I said about Marcus (and Winston) - that would be the worst thing that could happen to him. He would be better off going late in the 1st, or even the 2nd or 3rd rd, to a good team and coach that won't wreck him physically and mentally before he has a chance to develop.

 

[Lanny]

Are you sure thats not Trumps daughter in your avatar?
I don't know many Asian blondes.

I worked with an Asian blonde when I worked in St. Louis. She died her hair but it was appealing.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'll say the same thing I said about Marcus (and Winston) - that would be the worst thing that could happen to him. He would be better off going late in the 1st, or even the 2nd or 3rd rd, to a good team and coach that won't wreck him physically and mentally before he has a chance to develop.

that would cost him a lot of guaranteed money though. The difference between a top-5 pick and a pick in the 20's can be 6-8M. The difference between a top-5 pick and a 2nd round pick can be 10-15M. That guaranteed money is a significant thing in a sport as violent and dangerous as NFL football