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Tince said:
Per NBA.com, we're 12th in isolation percentage. So middle of the road.
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IDK how possessions are calculated, but maybe one of the reasons people think we're isolation heavy is because we run a lot of sets that generate nothing and lead to Grant/Ant forcing a play with <10 seconds on the shot clock. I don't know if those are considered isolation, but I suspect that is why.
 
julius said:
At least they're playing defense this year.
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Have you seen Cleveland play this year? If the Blazers could use that as a mold while crafting this roster for the future, that would be optimal.
Blazers defense has improved and has made it a bit more fun to watch this year(subtracting the last performance), but are no where near the level of Cleveland. I think they are just getting started, as the bulk of their core is still fairly young at a 27.5 average age this year. Just enough experience and youth.
 
B-Roy said:
IDK how possessions are calculated, but maybe one of the reasons people think we're isolation heavy is because we run a lot of sets that generate nothing and lead to Grant/Ant forcing a play with <10 seconds on the shot clock. I don't know if those are considered isolation, but I suspect that is why.
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We've kinda gone down this path before. In general, this board (and other fan bases), grossly over estimates how frequent their team runs isolation plays, especially in comparison to the rest of the league. If a large majority of the possessions you watch are with one team, you're likely to think the outcomes, officiating, etc. are more extreme than they actually are.
 
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wizenheimer said:
the one with the most turnovers?
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I think most of Scoot's turnovers come off of his wreckless drives. But he's getting better and not forcing things. His efficiency still sucks, at with a TS% below 50%, but he's been better from the paint and from mid range. His 3pt% is coming up from another ice cold start.
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PtldPlatypus said:
I'm guessing the other one was Tyrese Haliburton. Numbers are slightly different today, but I think it's about right.
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Yup. I guess on the bright side we're not paying over $200 million for that production lol
 
When can we start calling him Sterling? Not sure what the story is as to the nickname Scoot?
 
Samuel said:
all I see is our fanbase shitting on its own players, it’s wild.
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Now is the time to be realistic. Before we traded Dame we had an excuse to engage in hopium.

No more.
 
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MickZagger said:
It’s a sign that your franchise sucks
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but even then you usually see some <team x> exceptionalism takes, right? in there somewhere? because it’s sports?

with portland, oddly enough, most of the takes are like ‘hey guys, COUNTERPOINT: player x is bad. we are bad. and ill go you one more—the ‘team custodian’ (!) is bad.’ it’s some real ‘let me explain capitalism to you’ energy.

can we just celebrate that scoot had a nice game? 17 points, go blazers. go basketball.
 
Samuel said:
but even then you usually see some <team x> exceptionalism takes, right? in there somewhere? because it’s sports?

with portland, oddly enough, most of the takes are like ‘hey guys, COUNTERPOINT: player x is bad. we are bad. and ill go you one more—the ‘team custodian’ (!) is bad.’ it’s some real ‘let me explain capitalism to you’ energy.

can we just celebrate that scoot had a nice game? 17 points, go blazers. go basketball.
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Gotcha. Yeah, I'm good with the young guys. Just want them playing big minutes.
 
Samuel said:
but even then you usually see some <team x> exceptionalism takes, right? in there somewhere? because it’s sports?

with portland, oddly enough, most of the takes are like ‘hey guys, COUNTERPOINT: player x is bad. we are bad. and ill go you one more—the ‘team custodian’ (!) is bad.’ it’s some real ‘let me explain capitalism to you’ energy.

can we just celebrate that scoot had a nice game? 17 points, go blazers. go basketball.
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Scoot's game was celebrated a lot in the game thread. People certainly noticed that and commented on it. I know I did. But in the 3 games prior to that, Scoot was 10-29 on FG's (34.5%)), 2-11 on three's (18.2%), and scored 26 points on 29 shots. He averaged 6.7 assists in those 3 games, but also averaged 4.3 turnovers. People are going to notice that as well, and comment.

The "bust" chatter was premature and I think Scoot is climbing out of the he's-a-bust cellar. But clearly the pre-draft hype about him overshot the mark, by a lot. He's been a disappointing 3rd pick; a backup PG in his 2nd season with shooting and turnover issues. Those can be corrected obviously, but I think a lot of us want to see that those corrections last longer than a game or two
 
wizenheimer said:
Scoot's game was celebrated a lot in the game thread. People certainly noticed that and commented on it. I know I did. But in the 3 games prior to that, Scoot was 10-29 on FG's (34.5%)), 2-11 on three's (18.2%), and scored 26 points on 29 shots. He averaged 6.7 assists in those 3 games, but also averaged 4.3 turnovers. People are going to notice that as well, and comment.

The "bust" chatter was premature and I think Scoot is climbing out of the he's-a-bust cellar. But clearly the pre-draft hype about him overshot the mark, by a lot. He's been a disappointing 3rd pick; a backup PG in his 2nd season with shooting and turnover issues. Those can be corrected obviously, but I think a lot of us want to see that those corrections last longer than a game or two
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I see a lot more doomerism in the fanbase than wild optimism. a ‘lot” more. if people want to celebrate a one-off good scoot peformance, I’m cool with it. no one is conflating a 17 pt game for ‘HE HIM’ or a realization of the garden variety hype cycle that top 3 picks get.

are you seeing that? Are you seeing wild optimism? That sounds nice, actually. No?
 
Samuel said:
I see a lot more doomerism in the fanbase than wild optimism. a ‘lot” more. if people want to celebrate a one-off good scoot peformance, I’m cool with it. no one is conflating a 17 pt game for ‘HE HIM’ or a realization of the garden variety hype cycle that top 3 picks get.

are you seeing that? Are you seeing wild optimism? That sounds nice, actually. No?
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"wild optimism" about what? Scoot? There was plenty of wild optimism about him before he started playing NBA games. Then reality barged thru the door

"wild optimism" about the team? They traded away the franchise player and started a full rebuild....without seemingly committing to a full rebuild. Right now they seems locked in that nearly hopeless limbo of late-lottery-maybe-playin-if-lucky. Not bad enough to land high draft picks and not good enough to reach the playoffs without getting swept in the 1st round. The worst type of purgatory for an NBA team

they have 3 high draft picks that are all young players. But Scoot is one. Sharpe is in his 3rd season without having established he can consistently do anything well except occasionally flash some major upside before falling way back down the optimism scale. And Clingan lasted 17 games, only averaging 18.5 minutes, before falling prey to Portland's big man curse

there is reason for some optimism, none of it wild. But I think there are legitimate reasons for pessimism at the same time
 
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