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Rastapopoulos said:
Over the last ten games Scoot is averaging (per 48) 21.6 points, 8.2 assists (3.4 TOs) and 5.6 rebounds (.1 more than Jerami). He's also shooting 11/35 from 3. Not bad!
His FT% is not amazing at 77%, but his FG% is his real weak spot at 37%
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11/35 (31%) is not good, either. Here is the team per 48, last 10 games, sorted by effectiveness points. Hoopsstats has a reasonable formula for effectiveness points.

https://www.hoopsstats.com/basketba...-trail-blazers/team/playerstats/25/25/6-3-eff
 
julius said:
He's put together good games before, usually 2 or 3. His issue is keeping it up and not going from solid performance to being invisible on the court and not a detriment to the team.

He needs to string together 5-6 games in a row (or 5 out of 7 games) where he's playing like this. Not saying he has to scored 19 points and have 10 assists to 1 turnover type numbers though.
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wizenheimer said:
I think it needs to be a 20-30 game stretch as a gauge. His clunker rate has been 50-60%. That needs to drop to 10-20%. he doesn't need to have a great (for him) game rate of 60%. He just needs to cut way down on the terrible games. That's the first step to consistency
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julius said:
At this point, 5-6 is the step he needs to do, and then we can hope for a 20-30 game stretch.
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wizenheimer said:
I understand that. I'm just saying we need at least a 20-30 game sample size to gauge what kind of consistency is sustainable. We know he can have a great game every once in a while. What we don't know is how often he can have solid games compared to clunkers. The clunker rate has been way too high so far
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The goal will have to much more limited: How many plays involve him without his losing Blazer possession. Currently, including his best games, he causes a loss of 2-possessions-in-a-row at least 3 times per game, and 3 possessions-in-a-row about once per game. And that's in limited minutes.

Phatguysrule said:
And we won't know until he's given the reins...
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Unless you're living in a hopeful dream, you know by watching that he's not ready. He'll look like a clown if he tries to last a full game. Same for Clingan.
 
jlprk said:
The goal will have to much more limited: How many plays involve him without his losing Blazer possession. Currently, including his best games, he causes a loss of 2-possessions-in-a-row at least 3 times per game, and 3 possessions-in-a-row about once per game. And that's in limited minutes.



Unless you're living in a hopeful dream, you know by watching that he's not ready. He'll look like a clown if he tries to last a full game. Same for Clingan.
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I'm fine with them looking like clowns for now. We'll get better draft position and they'll get the clown play out of their system when nobody is watching.
 
Anyone still think he has Derrick Rose level athleticism?

I still can’t believe people were buying that from Peek and Vecenie
 
Predator said:
Anyone still think he has Derrick Rose level athleticism?

I still can’t believe people were buying that from Peek and Vecenie
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The problem is that he doesn't know what to do with his bountiful athleticism. He has no drive to innovate or imitate the moves of the greats. Coaches must spoonfeed him nibbles of knowledge, like Meyers Leonard, who had no athletic instincts. Little Scooter is way closer to being a natural than Leonard, though. Sorry I made the comparison.
 
jlprk said:
The problem is that he doesn't know what to do with his bountiful athleticism. He has no drive to innovate or imitate the moves of the greats. Coaches must spoonfeed him nibbles of knowledge, like Meyers Leonard, who had no athletic instincts. Little Scooter is way closer to being a natural than Leonard, though. Sorry I made the comparison.
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The guy is young, and has spent his entire life thriving on his athleticism. He is now faces talent that negates that value, and he will have to adjust. I get the feel that he is all in, and will develop the finesse he needs. Still early in the game.
 
AldoTrapani said:


We could have had this kid over weak ass scoot
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Thompson is a Forward?
Who do you sit if you want Thompson? Deni? Tou?
I'm assuming you are not implying that you would play Thompson at PG? You do realize Thompson can't shoot right? He's shooting 24% from three.
Understand I don't like the way everything went down. I would have kept Dame. But then you didn't like Dame either. As I recall you continuously called him "weak ass" as well. Just wondering where you are going with all this?
 
kjironman1 said:
Thompson is a Forward?
Who do you sit if you want Thompson? Deni? Tou?
I'm assuming you are not implying that you would play Thompson at PG? You do realize Thompson can't shoot right? He's shooting 24% from three.
Understand I don't like the way everything went down. I would have kept Dame. But then you didn't like Dame either. As I recall you continuously called him "weak ass" as well. Just wondering where you are going with all this?
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I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that Amen and Deni could be a very effective pair of point-forwards.

Also, if we had drafted Amen, it's likely we wouldn't have traded for Deni in the first place. But if we did, there's no reason they couldn't co-exist.

Regardless, hand-wringing over who we didn't draft is silly.
 
Scoot has 1 ok game out of every 10 outings, and some diehards come here and act like people should "eat crow" over 1 game where his shooting % isn't abysmal.
 
kjironman1 said:
Thompson is a Forward?
Who do you sit if you want Thompson? Deni? Tou?
I'm assuming you are not implying that you would play Thompson at PG? You do realize Thompson can't shoot right? He's shooting 24% from three.
Understand I don't like the way everything went down. I would have kept Dame. But then you didn't like Dame either. As I recall you continuously called him "weak ass" as well. Just wondering where you are going with all this?
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The buzz with Amen going into the draft was that he could be a point guard. In fact, the high level upside was based on him being an on ball creator.

Now imagine Amen/Deni/Toumani in the same lineup. That's a KILLER lineup defensively. Add in Clingan and that should be a top 5 defense. You could probably hide Dame in that lineup and still have a top 5 defense.

Here is one example:

https://www.nba.com/draft/2023/prospects/amen-thompson

Thompson will likely need the ball in his hands at the NBA level to unlock his full potential, which could be All-Star level, but how quickly he gets there may depend on if he lands on a team with or without an established point guard. Unquestionably, he’ll get easy points and make a defensive impact through his top-shelf athleticism, but playing off ball isn’t his strong suit. Thompson holds similarities to a wing-sized Ja Morant or a more athletic Ben Simmons.
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The Rockets haven't been able to give him that role because of all the other guys they have on the roster. He's doing all this NOW without having the ball in his hands, but imagine what he could do if a team put the ball into his hands and developed him as a point guard.
 
B-Roy said:
The buzz with Amen going into the draft was that he could be a point guard. In fact, the high level upside was based on him being an on ball creator.

Now imagine Amen/Deni/Toumani in the same lineup. That's a KILLER lineup defensively. Add in Clingan and that should be a top 5 defense. You could probably hide Dame in that lineup and still have a top 5 defense.
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Yep. I would have kept Dame if at all possible.
 
B-Roy said:
Wouldn't be anything different than we what have right now, would it? The argument is Scoot vs. Amen. I'll take bottom 5 offense top 5 defense over bottom 5 offense bottom 5 defense.
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I think the problem is assuming that a team can be great on one end of the floor while sucking on the other end. I think the suckage wouldn't simply stop at the equator

I'm also thinking that out of the foursome of Amen/Camara/Deni/Clingan there is likely no all-star level upside. There is also nobody who can consistently create their own offense at any consistent level. It could be an entertaining team, but probably never contending

If the Blazers had drafted Amen, I'd think they'd be better off right now having a Knecht or McCain or Da Silva + the 2029 1st + the two 2nd's.
 
kjironman1 said:
Thompson is a Forward?
Who do you sit if you want Thompson? Deni? Tou?
I'm assuming you are not implying that you would play Thompson at PG? You do realize Thompson can't shoot right? He's shooting 24% from three.
Understand I don't like the way everything went down. I would have kept Dame. But then you didn't like Dame either. As I recall you continuously called him "weak ass" as well. Just wondering where you are going with all this?
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You do just realize that guy is a troll in here. He won't reply to you either. I just scroll past anything he says lol
 
wizenheimer said:
I think the problem is assuming that a team can be great on one end of the floor while sucking on the other end. I think the suckage wouldn't simply stop at the equator

I'm also thinking that out of the foursome of Amen/Camara/Deni/Clingan there is likely no all-star level upside. There is also nobody who can consistently create their own offense at any consistent level. It could be an entertaining team, but probably never contending

If the Blazers had drafted Amen, I'd think they'd be better off right now having a Knecht or McCain or Da Silva + the 2029 1st + the two 2nd's.
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All I care about is maximizing our assets. Even if you don't draft that star, you can move him for one. How much trade value does Amen have over Scoot?

Anyways, this is all moot. I'll maintain that taking Scoot over Amen was a mistake. Maybe not a catastrophic mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that Amen and Deni could be a very effective pair of point-forwards.

Also, if we had drafted Amen, it's likely we wouldn't have traded for Deni in the first place. But if we did, there's no reason they couldn't co-exist.

Regardless, hand-wringing over who we didn't draft is silly.
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I wonder how this team would be performing if they did pick Thompson and tried to keep Dame?
Not sure they get the 7th pick last year. Not sure they are good enough either?
 
kjironman1 said:
Yeah but you don’t keep Dame and the pick? Well maybe but I thought he wanted the pick traded for help now.
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He did. Had to trade him and Scoot was widely considered a top three pick by virtually everyone.

You can't fault management for picking him, IMO.

I think he would have demanded out regardless of who we drafted.
 
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