OT El Paso shooting: 22 Dead, 24 Inured. Dayton shooting: 9 Dead, 16 Injured

[riverman]

I think violence and killing as a form of entertainment does affect the culture we are seeing today....my son grew up defending his gaming habits...I'd be out working on my deck and I'd hear my son and his buddies yelling, cursing and enjoying killing those mfers…..I asked them many times if they were planning careers in the the military after school? Honestly I have never been a fan of killing games for children....I never bought my son toy guns as a child...then when he left home he bought two rifles as soon as he could.....I taught him gun safety at that point but personally, I see violence as entertainment to be a formative problem with young people who deal with anxiety or depression or anger.....if you want to address mental health and education...it's part of the conversation. In my view those games add NOTHING of value to a young person's development of life skills.I think adults are affected as well....the rush of violence is primal like the addictions to porno are for some.....for folks with issues it I fear it can awaken their inner caveman unless kept in check.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[e_blazer]

Looks like dad lost her vote!

Not really: "In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy,” Trump said, standing beside Vice President Pence. “These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hatred has no place in America.”

Trump is a turd, but he's a turd who knows his reelection is dependent upon distancing himself from the neo-Nazi nutballs.

 

[barfo]

From the American Psychological Association:

“Routinely blaming mass shootings on mental illness is unfounded and stigmatizing. Research has shown that only a very small percentage of violent acts are committed by people who are diagnosed with, or in treatment for, mental illness. The rates of mental illness are roughly the same around the world, yet other countries are not experiencing these traumatic events as often as we face them. One critical factor is access to, and the lethality of, the weapons that are being used in these crimes. Adding racism, intolerance and bigotry to the mix is a recipe for disaster.

barfo

 

[riverman]

Trump wants social media directors to find unstable domestic terrorists.....better start training all the S2 mods!

 

[barfo]

Trump is a turd, but he's a turd who knows his reelection is dependent upon distancing himself from the neo-Nazi nutballs.

Dunno, I think George Conway may have it right:

1. Trump will go on TV and give a speech. On paper, the speech may say some of the right things. It will look somewhat presidential. There’s an off chance it might even be good (grading on a curve).
2. But the problem will be that it was given by Trump, who’s incapable of sincere empathy. So it’ll be hard to believe that he believes the words he said. And his speech won’t address his own hateful, racist rhetoric.
3. So he’ll be roundly criticized for that. And he’ll also be criticized on policy grounds, because whatever he says on that score will not suffice for many people.
4. He’ll see and hear all this criticism on TV, and he’ll stew. And stew. He’ll grow angry and resentful that he was forced to give the speech in the first place.
5. Finally, perhaps within 24 or 48 hours, the narcissistic pressure will break the dam, and his anger and frustration will gush forward.
6. He’ll tweet, otherwise say, or do something that’ll completely undo whatever positive benefit came from the speech.
7. We’ve seen this movie before how many times?

We are now at #3

barfo

 

[barfo]

Trump wants social media directors to find unstable domestic terrorists.....better start training all the S2 mods!

Did Sly have another 'accident' on the rug?

barfo

 

[e_blazer]

Dunno, I think George Conway may have it right:

1. Trump will go on TV and give a speech. On paper, the speech may say some of the right things. It will look somewhat presidential. There’s an off chance it might even be good (grading on a curve).
2. But the problem will be that it was given by Trump, who’s incapable of sincere empathy. So it’ll be hard to believe that he believes the words he said. And his speech won’t address his own hateful, racist rhetoric.
3. So he’ll be roundly criticized for that. And he’ll also be criticized on policy grounds, because whatever he says on that score will not suffice for many people.
4. He’ll see and hear all this criticism on TV, and he’ll stew. And stew. He’ll grow angry and resentful that he was forced to give the speech in the first place.
5. Finally, perhaps within 24 or 48 hours, the narcissistic pressure will break the dam, and his anger and frustration will gush forward.
6. He’ll tweet, otherwise say, or do something that’ll completely undo whatever positive benefit came from the speech.
7. We’ve seen this movie before how many times?

We are now at #3

barfo

I don't disagree with any of that because we all know that DT has zero self-filtering capability. Still, the campaign will try to distance itself from the white power gang simply because it has to.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

From the American Psychological Association:



barfo

Many of these freaks are undiagnosed.

Also, they mentioned blaming mass shootings on mental illness is unfounded, while citing "violent acts" as their backup.

Rates of mental illness may be the same, but the way society coddles mentally ill people isn't.

To state that mass shooters AREN'T mentally ill is just ludicrous.

 

[Hoopguru]

Its wild that many of the big screen & tv stars that are anti gun or anti anything, are the ones producing violent movies and programs, so that they can benefit monetarily from it.
My advise to an actor or actress is if you don't believe in violence, then don't make violent movies or programs.
All parts of society need to take responsibility and come together on violence, period.

 

[riverman]

The best portrayal ever of violence on film and it's not even close...the terrorist that constantly fails

 

[Hoopguru]

The best portrayal ever of violence on film and it's not even close...the terrorist that constantly fails
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It would be cool if society would be happy with the Roadrunner violence, but Im sure it doesn't pay enough.

 

[riverman]

It would be cool if society would be happy with the Roadrunner violence, but Im sure it doesn't pay enough.

pt being he always fails and hurts himself doing it

 

[Hoopguru]

I think violence and killing as a form of entertainment does affect the culture we are seeing today....my son grew up defending his gaming habits...I'd be out working on my deck and I'd hear my son and his buddies yelling, cursing and enjoying killing those mfers…..I asked them many times if they were planning careers in the the military after school? Honestly I have never been a fan of killing games for children....I never bought my son toy guns as a child...then when he left home he bought two rifles as soon as he could.....I taught him gun safety at that point but personally, I see violence as entertainment to be a formative problem with young people who deal with anxiety or depression or anger.....if you want to address mental health and education...it's part of the conversation. In my view those games add NOTHING of value to a young person's development of life skills.I think adults are affected as well....the rush of violence is primal like the addictions to porno are for some.....for folks with issues it I fear it can awaken their inner caveman unless kept in check.

well said rm! I view the producers of violent movies & games just as I did the producers of cigarettes.
Now the internet with 24/7 access is lock and loaded with all sorts of contaminating stuff that kids get exposed to.
Maybe my granddad was correct, Only The Strong Will Survive.

 

[MarAzul]

Lots dead

This post standing without your title looks pretty silly. At least they didn't delete your thread and combine it with one in which the title would make it hateful.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This post standing without your title looks pretty silly. At least they didn't delete your thread and combine it with one in which the title would make it hateful.

If they changed the title, shouldn't they have added the Ohio shooting too?

 

[MarAzul]

I think violence and killing as a form of entertainment does affect the culture we are seeing today....my son grew up defending his gaming habits...I'd be out working on my deck and I'd hear my son and his buddies yelling, cursing and enjoying killing those mfers…..I asked them many times if they were planning careers in the the military after school? Honestly I have never been a fan of killing games for children....I never bought my son toy guns as a child...then when he left home he bought two rifles as soon as he could.....I taught him gun safety at that point but personally, I see violence as entertainment to be a formative problem with young people who deal with anxiety or depression or anger.....if you want to address mental health and education...it's part of the conversation. In my view those games add NOTHING of value to a young person's development of life skills.I think adults are affected as well....the rush of violence is primal like the addictions to porno are for some.....for folks with issues it I fear it can awaken their inner caveman unless kept in check.

Bingo!
I agree. I see no value in kids wasting life on this shit. I see no value in the production of this shit even though it is lucrative to the creators and the game gear vendors. I fear the cost is too high in waste of the learning/molding years of the young to play.
I don't know if it causes these problems, but it sure as shit ain't help.

 

[MarAzul]

If they changed the title, shouldn't they have added the Ohio shooting too?

You mean this guy?

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/




The funny thing is, how to find this stuff. Query this on Duckduckgo, "Ohio disenchanted liberal guns down" and you get the above close to front.
Query the same on Google and you get nothing but more liberal propaganda talking speak.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If they changed the title, shouldn't they have added the Ohio shooting too?

I merged this thread with Trump comments thread and picked the wrong title between the two threads so I had to go back and change it roughly to what you had.

 

[The Professional Fan]

You mean this guy?

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/




The funny thing is, how to find this stuff. Query this on Duckduckgo, "Ohio disenchanted liberal guns down" and you get the above close to front.
Query the same on Google and you get nothing but more liberal propaganda talking speak.

I googled "ohio shooter political affiliation" and the very first result told me he identified as a democrat. Nice try though.

 

[MarAzul]

If they changed the title, shouldn't they have added the Ohio shooting too?

Right!
Last week you did this shit to me. Left my post without the title which was the main constitutional question, merged my post into Cup's hate post to make my look like more of the same.
And then ban me or what ever the fuck you have done to fuckup the access.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Right!
Last week you did this shit to me. Left my post without the title which was the main constitutional question, merged my post into Cup's hate post to make my look like more of the same.
And them ban me or what ever the fuck you have done to fuckup the access.

Not accurate. You started posting your very unique views on Muslims in this country in one thread, when those posts didn't get the response and discussion you were hoping for you started a 2nd thread to cover the same thing you were talking about in the other thread.

Just like I did with this thread, @Chris Craig started a new thread about Trump's comments from a rally a few months previously but the discussion quickly turned into a duplicate of what was being discussed in this thread. Since they were two threads about the same topic I merged them together.

We didn't need two active threads discussing Muslims in this country and we didn't need two active threads discussing the two shootings and the arguments over them.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[MarAzul]

Nice try though.

I am not sure what you think is nice. The query I posted done both ways, does produce drastically different results.
Enough so that I am beginning to believe Google is indeed more a threat to our democracy than the Russian can even hope to be.

 

[MarAzul]

Not accurate. You started posting your very unique views on Muslims in this country in one thread, when those posts didn't get the response and discussion you were hoping for you started a 2nd thread to cover the same thing you were talking about in the other thread.

Just like I did with this thread, @Chris Craig started a new thread about Trump's comments from a rally a few months previously but the discussion quickly turned into a duplicate of what was being discussed in this thread. Since they were two threads about the same topic I merged them together.

We didn't need two active threads discussing Muslims in this country and we didn't need two active threads discussing the two shootings and the arguments over them.

Bullshit Sly!
I did no such thing. You edited it and merged shit so that you even confused yourself.
Now don't call me a liar again. You made and error, own it.
Now what the fuck have you done to MarAzul's access? Most of the stuff does not work or takes sometime a very long time when MarAzul is logged in.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Bullshit Sly!
I did no such thing. You edited it and merged shit so that you even confused yourself.
Now don't call me a liar again. You made and error, own it.
Now what the fuck have you done to MarAzul's access? Most of the stuff does not work or takes sometime a very long time when MarAzul is logged in.

I have not called you a liar.

I did not make an error.

I have not done anything to you boat.

 

[Chris Craig]

Mental heath history needs to be included in background checks which need to be mandatory for all gun sales.

 

[riverman]

I am not sure what you think is nice. The query I posted done both ways, does produce drastically different results.
Enough so that I am beginning to believe Google is indeed more a threat to our democracy than the Russian can even hope to be.

try talking here about the subject and try not to worry about what anybody else does, says or doesn't do.....this victim thing isn't a good look. unless you are a moderator here, you don't have control over thread merging, editing, etc.....once you accept that, you can talk about all these subjects until the cows come home and it doesn't matter who starts a thread to anybody. we all talk all the time without record of our conversations in normal life....might try to pretend this is normal life..

 

[Chris Craig]

How in the hell did the Dayton shooter get a gun? He had made a hitlist at school and got in trouble for it with the police. We need red flag laws, so this kind of stuff shows up in background checks.

 

[theprunetang]

How in the hell did the Dayton shooter get a gun? He had made a hitlist at school and got in trouble for it with the police. We need red flag laws, so this kind of stuff shows up in background checks.

Nope. NRA won't allow that.