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Most mass shooters are gangbangers?

He is, as usual, slanting facts. Yes, it's more likely that someone killed by a gun was killed in a gang related incident. However, those don't happen in large #'s, so instead the m.o., is to just purposely confuse the issue/numbers.

He knows that an accepted definition of "mass shooting/killing" is 3 people. So yes, he is implying that it's more likely that a shooting of 3 people will be "gang bangers" instead of the examples that are fresher in peoples minds.

It's a way of double speak.
 
No, you should try talking to him like you talked to me. I know @EL PRESIDENTE, some of the stuff he posts is an act but he's a caring and compassionate person.

I'm not going to try to talk about stuff with people who are putting on an act. It's why I don't talk to maris, and it's why i don't talk to el presidente. If you want to be taken seriously, don't troll people.
 
Ho Hum. Don't get me wrong, it's horrific for the victims but not an unusual occurrence in a country this size anywhere in the world, especially since we're the only melting pot of any size on the planet.

But it's probably our least significant "problem" of all. More people are murdered every week all year long in dozens of separate cities in America with no outcry at all.

Why? Because they are created by the Deep State's international drug trade, the Deep State's corrupt courts that continually acquit or release violent criminals early, and the Deep State's intentional tactic of creating shithole cities where people have nothing to live for. Crumbling infrastructure, unpayable tax rates, unconscionable fees, fines and liens on property, all created to keep the masses poor and desperate.

El Paso's corrupt mayor is facing ethics complaints for Real Estate fraud, is under investigation for connections to the drug pipeline that runs through El Paso's border with Mexico, and for shielding illegal aliens involved in smuggling drugs. More to follow.

It's basically a Mexican Cartel city with a few American citizens still hanging in there.

Once again ad nasuem Dems will swamp the airwaves with lies, distortions and just ridiculous proclamations and demands for gun restrictions and bans.

Beto has already spouted off about 40,000 "gun violence" deaths, lumping 30,000 suicides into the mix as is the usual custom of lying anti-Second Amendant con-men. They never use the words murder or murderer because the actual numbers are tiny. Not as important as say...PROVIDING MENTAL HEALTHCARE FOR 30,000 MENTALLY ILL AMERICANS.

No Dem has ever or will ever legislate comprehensive mental healthcare for the American Citizens they owe their millionaire lives to. They refuse to even mention it. That is how little they really care about America.
I wish sometimes you just wouldn't post. Your posts drip with hate. One of my closest childhood friend's nephew, was gunned down yesterday here in Portland. This isn't the time man.
 
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I'm not going to try to talk about stuff with people who are putting on an act. It's why I don't talk to maris, and it's why i don't talk to el presidente. If you want to be taken seriously, don't troll people.

I don't post things I don't think are true.
 
The Democrats will flail their arms, rend their garments, cry crocodile tears and blame the right. The Republicans will send thoughts and prayers and blame the left. And life will continue completely unchanged until the next mass shooting. Are these tragedies even worth a thread anymore??

And congress will bandy the "gun control" discussion around some and really have no conclusive solutions.
 
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I don't post things I don't think are true.

"I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on from an invasion."

He is a white sumpremacist/nationalist and has been led to believe by Trump and his divisiveness that there is a so called invasion.
 
"I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on from an invasion."

He is a white sumpremacist / nationalist and has been led to believe by Trump and his divisiveness that there is a so called invasion.

Well that's not good.

There is an invasion though.

It's not him to decide who to shoot though.

If it were up to me, his family would be shot in front of him as punishment. They should torture this shithead to death.
 
"I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on from an invasion."

He is a white sumpremacist/ nationalist and has been led to believe by Trump and his divisiveness that there is a so called invasion.
It doesnt really read like a white supremacist to me. It reads like someone who has taken all the negative stuff said from both sides and has decided that the only logical (in his mind) step is to shoot people because he believes immigrants are invading the US, US citizens are also piles of crap, the democrats are awful and the republicans are awful. He seems to think less people = the right thing to do.

I think he’s definitely a nationalist.
 
Dead bodies are still on the ground and he’s already tweeting about a UFC fight. The President.

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The shooter says in his manifesto, basically, that he would not target people of color that are American. He is personifying a nationalist. HOWEVER, I'm calling bullshit. How on earth, in a situation like that, could he differentiate between American born brown people and immigrant brown people? And what about potential white immigrants in the mall? He wanted to kill brown people.
 
I’ll never understand why civilians need semi or automatic weapons. Hunting rifles ok, pistols for self-defense I get that too, but they shouldnt even be allowed to sell those to anyone but the military.

They don't need them. Those are made for military personnel not civillians.
 
And many aspergers persons would be prone to gravitate towards such an ideology.

This is simply and factually untrue.

You are more likely to become a mass murderer than someone with Asperger Syndrome. The rare acts of violence they may commit will be on themselves.

I have an adult family member with High Functioning Autism Spectrum Disorder with Asperger Syndrome. I also have a client with a teenage son who has Asperger Syndrome.

FWIW, here's wiki's opinion:

Violent or criminal behavior
The hypothesis that individuals with AS are predisposed to violent or criminal behavior has been investigated, but is not supported by data.[10][44] More evidence suggests that children diagnosed with Asperger syndrome are victims rather than offenders.[45]

A 2008 review found that an overwhelming number of reported violent criminals with Asperger syndrome had also other coexisting psychotic psychiatric disorders such as schizoaffective disorder.[46]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1056499302000561?via=ihub

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10803-008-0580-8

Most murderers, mass or otherwise, are just self-absorbed assholes who blame somebody/everybody else for their miserable lives as losers. No mental illness at all, just really bad people. Not all people are born nice. Some are just evil to the core.

They cling to politics or religion, or revenge for mistreatment by "society" as excuses for their heinous crimes. But the fact is they are just really bad, evil people who want to kill people.
 
We need more full scale surveillance and monitoring and a lower bar to take people in.

Basically the Singapore model of society. The reasons we have this problem is too much freedom.

Gun control is just a small step.

Hilarious.

I have a friend who left her family behind and immigrated from Singapore, just to be free to speak her mind. About as much Freedom as Germany afforded Jews during the 30's.

I prefer our Constitution and I'll take my chances with the occasional mass murder at Walmart, the runaway bus, lightning strikes, erupting volcanoes, bees, snakes, cougars, posters with TDS...all the risks that come with personal Freedom.
 
Hilarious.

I have a friend who left her family behind and immigrated from Singapore, just to be free to speak her mind. About as much Freedom as Germany afforded Jews during the 30's.

I prefer our Constitution and I'll take my chances with the occasional mass murder at Walmart, the runaway bus, lightning strikes, erupting volcanoes, bees, snakes, cougars, posters with TDS...all the risks that come with personal Freedom.

Lots of problems in society is due to our supposed freedoms. From drugs, to homelessness to mass shootings. What little you give up in personal freedom and expression, you'll gain in a better society.
 
I wish sometimes you just wouldn't post. Your posts drip with hate. One of my closest childhood friend's nephew, was gunned down yesterday here in Portland. This isn't the time man.

This is exactly the time.

It's another wave of Deep State lies and mind control coming and we've got the usual TDS trolls serving as their minions. Every bit of nonsense about disarming citizens and blaming the POTUS for bad people who were bad long before he was elected is intentionally preventing any progress toward reducing murder, which thankfully has declined drastically (60%ish) since I was young and actually rarely heard abut it. It did spike badly during Obama's last 2 years in office but declined again after that.

Sadly, no such decline in suicide has happened and in fact over 30,000 of these "gun violence" figures Beto and Dems are spouting again today were suicides. Unfortunately my son's closest friend was one of them. After decades of finding no help wherever he turned, the pain was too much. I blame the government, all of it. 47,173 Americans committed suicide in 2017. Tenth on the cause of death list.

A few responses:

Chris Craig - All recent mass murderers share common threads which are irrational hatred and blind acceptance of mass media misinformation. Something you display in every political thread. If I had to pick the most likely poster here to kill a mass of strangers just from what they post, it would definitely be you. You seem to think the same of me. We have met in person and I'll bet we both have a milder opinion of each other as face to face human beings. Let's have a beer sometime.

Julius - I enjoy your thoughtful posts and your restraint in not trolling people who troll you. There are 4 or 5 posters (including a mod or two) here who weakly troll every single thread I post and yes, I troll them and only them back occasionally. I'm not Christian and rarely turn the other cheek. I'm an American and I stand my ground and speak my piece. Obama had his FBI lower the mass murder definition to 4, and that is why I use that number, because they have the only credible data on crime in America. Dozens upon dozens of people are murdered every single day in about a dozen American cities, year after year, and you are correct that we don't talk about them, nor do we know who any of them are at all (except for HCP, he knows a few). Why isn't the media blasting every outlet and website with the names of the 20-some people murdered in Chicago yesterday? The 40 people murdered there last weekend? Where are the victims pictures, their stories, the demands for justice? I'll tell you why. Racism of the media, racism of politicians, racism of the Deep State that owns them, and the fact that these murders are almost always committed with stolen or illegally sold weapons in cities with the most stringent anti-Second Amendment gun control laws. Completely destroys the gun control argument, actually supports the need for freedom to carry for self defense. Maybe after Real Estate eases up a bit in the fall I'll start a thread with daily highlights of each day's victims of the drug cartels. A mighty but worthy undertaking. Okay, I've already talked myself into it.

El Presidente - Keep on keepin' on. We agree about 50% of the time and that's perfect for debate.

HCP - Every time we have a thread about murder you tell me not to post because a friend/relative/co-worker of yours was just murdered. Shutting down debate about the actual facts, reasons, causes, hidden agendas and solutions only assures you will grieve more often. I am pretty mindful to edit and fact-check my posts before posting so I don't know where you see hate in them. Maybe that's what you feel for everyone who disagrees with you?
 
This is exactly the time.

It's another wave of Deep State lies and mind control coming and we've got the usual TDS trolls serving as their minions. Every bit of nonsense about disarming citizens and blaming the POTUS for bad people who were bad long before he was elected is intentionally preventing any progress toward reducing murder, which thankfully has declined drastically (60%ish) since I was young and actually rarely heard abut it. It did spike badly during Obama's last 2 years in office but declined again after that.

Sadly, no such decline in suicide has happened and in fact over 30,000 of these "gun violence" figures Beto and Dems are spouting again today were suicides. Unfortunately my son's closest friend was one of them. After decades of finding no help wherever he turned, the pain was too much. I blame the government, all of it. 47,173 Americans committed suicide in 2017. Tenth on the cause of death list.

A few responses:

Chris Craig - All recent mass murderers share common threads which are irrational hatred and blind acceptance of mass media misinformation. Something you display in every political thread. If I had to pick the most likely poster here to kill a mass of strangers just from what they post, it would definitely be you. You seem to think the same of me. We have met in person and I'll bet we both have a milder opinion of each other as face to face human beings. Let's have a beer sometime.

Julius - I enjoy your thoughtful posts and your restraint in not trolling people who troll you. There are 4 or 5 posters (including a mod or two) here who weakly troll every single thread I post and yes, I troll them and only them back occasionally. I'm not Christian and rarely turn the other cheek. I'm an American and I stand my ground and speak my piece. Obama had his FBI lower the mass murder definition to 4, and that is why I use that number, because they have the only credible data on crime in America. Dozens upon dozens of people are murdered every single day in about a dozen American cities, year after year, and you are correct that we don't talk about them, nor do we know who any of them are at all (except for HCP, he knows a few). Why isn't the media blasting every outlet and website with the names of the 20-some people murdered in Chicago yesterday? The 40 people murdered there last weekend? Where are the victims pictures, their stories, the demands for justice? I'll tell you why. Racism of the media, racism of politicians, racism of the Deep State that owns them, and the fact that these murders are almost always committed with stolen or illegally sold weapons in cities with the most stringent anti-Second Amendment gun control laws. Completely destroys the gun control argument, actually supports the need for freedom to carry for self defense. Maybe after Real Estate eases up a bit in the fall I'll start a thread with daily highlights of each day's victims of the drug cartels. A mighty but worthy undertaking. Okay, I've already talked myself into it.

El Presidente - Keep on keepin' on. We agree about 50% of the time and that's perfect for debate.

HCP - Every time we have a thread about murder you tell me not to post because a friend/relative/co-worker of yours was just murdered. Shutting down debate about the actual facts, reasons, causes, hidden agendas and solutions only assures you will grieve more often. I am pretty mindful to edit and fact-check my posts before posting so I don't know where you see hate in them. Maybe that's what you feel for everyone who disagrees with you?

When you come into a thread about a mass shooting and start blaming black and brown people, throw out some fictional deep state conspiracies, and include a few personal insults of course people are going to question what is the purpose behind your posts.
 
Lots of problems in society is due to our supposed freedoms. From drugs, to homelessness to mass shootings. What little you give up in personal freedom and expression, you'll gain in a better society.

Nonsense. The problems you name were directly and deliberately created by the Deep State. Society never gains, only loses, from infringements on Freedom. America was founded by brave people who would not toe the line of the Deep State, and it has survived a long time defending that basic principle. It's really sad how easily young, uneducated people are deceived to think Freedom is evil and The Borg is good.
 

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