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LOL. You think MIN and MEM will be Western Conference Semi-Finalists? MEM's pick is Top-14 protected, so it's better for us if they aren't lotto...but if MIN's pick is, say, a Top-3 protected and MEM's Top-14 protected pick, then that's good stuff right there.
 
BrianFromWA said:
LOL. You think MIN and MEM will be Western Conference Semi-Finalists? MEM's pick is Top-14 protected, so it's better for us if they aren't lotto...but if MIN's pick is, say, a Top-3 protected and MEM's Top-14 protected pick, then that's good stuff right there.
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Didn't Houston just pick up a couple of mid first-round picks for this year's draft? I don't recall anybody raving over their draft, and they didn't give up a player of Batum's caliber to get those meh picks.

Also, MEM went to 7 games with LAC last year, and was a WCF semi-finalist the year before. Minnesota will be a fringe playoff team, and will end up with another non-lottery pick in the teens.

Two garbage picks and Kyle Korver for Batum? If Olshey makes that trade, he should be immediately fired. Chase Buddinger was worth a first round pick this year. LOL
 
e_blazer said:
Just say no to any of this garbage.
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I dunno, I like the picks; we won't be good enough to lose our own pick to the Bobcats, so we'll have three next season, which could buy us a move up to top 8. Add a player for the right team, and maybe we luck into McAdoo.

Rommel Time!
 
PapaG said:
Didn't Houston just pick up a couple of mid first-round picks for this year's draft? I don't recall anybody raving over their draft, and they didn't give up a player of Batum's caliber to get those meh picks.

Also, MEM went to 7 games with LAC last year, and was a WCF semi-finalist the year before. Minnesota will be a fringe playoff team, and will end up with another non-lottery pick in the teens.

Two garbage picks and Kyle Korver for Batum? If Olshey makes that trade, he should be immediately fired. Chase Buddinger was worth a first round pick this year. LOL
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Actually, you're right, those are good points.
 
Yeah, seriously - who knows what will happen with MEM - and If we do give Minny Batum? They probably get out of the first round. This draft isn't deep like this years was. Hell, I'd barely care for any pick outside of Nerlens, Shabazz - MAYBE McAdoo or Poythress.

Not sold on Zeller.
 
Chase Budinger isn't being paid 45 million dollars.

And no one raved about HOU's draft b/c they're trying to get Dwight Howard.

And Gerald Wallace got a #6 pick that people thought was insane.

MEM picked 25 this year, and got Wroten. MIN would've picked 10 this year and gotten Austin Rivers. And I don't think MEM is getting past OKC, LAL, SAS or LAC this year, so they're going to be in the 14-22 range.

I'm not saying it's optimal, but 2 picks and a non-guaranteed contract are 3 pretty decent assets for someone you don't want to pay anyway. And I think it's the floor, not what the deal will actually be.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Chase Budinger isn't being paid 45 million dollars.

And no one raved about HOU's draft b/c they're trying to get Dwight Howard.

And Gerald Wallace got a #6 pick that people thought was insane.

MEM picked 25 this year, and got Wroten. MIN would've picked 10 this year and gotten Austin Rivers. And I don't think MEM is getting past OKC, LAL, SAS or LAC this year, so they're going to be in the 14-22 range.

I'm not saying it's optimal, but 2 picks and a non-guaranteed contract are 3 pretty decent assets for someone you don't want to pay anyway. And I think it's the floor, not what the deal will actually be.
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Who says the Blazers don't want to pay Batum? Did I miss something?

It's a garbage trade, and if it becomes a reality, it should be widely criticized, because not only will the picks be garbage, but Olshey just gave a decent young player, within the market price for him, to a division rival.

I assume you're just being a contrarian, though. That is just a terrible trade. Why even worry about Korver in that instance? The Blazers have the cap space to just absorb the picks, and whoever is unfortunate enough to have Korver can just waive his non-guaranteed deal.

If Minnesota wants Batum bad enough, make them give up a Derrick Williams or a Luke Ridnour, who actually would have some on-court value with decent contracts.

David Kahn must be taking his crazy pills again and leaking this idiotic trade. Why, I have no idea, but it is literally the dumbest potential trade I've seen this summer.
 
Nope. I fully believe that paying 45M over the next 4 years to a slightly-above average SF is less valuable to a rebuilding team than draft picks and cap space.

And there's no way...NO WAY...that you can defend Nic making 4/45 as 'within the market price.'

If POR matched this, people already have criticized it. Getting two picks for a guy going away anyway b/c you don't want to hamstring yourself is a steal.
 
It's all academic anyway. Signals are pretty clear that Paul Allen is taking this business with Nic personally and whether it's good for the health of the team or not, he's not going to let his money lose to somebody else's smaller pot in a game of poker. Love it or hate (I'm a little bit of both) Nic is going to be a Blazer next year ... barring some mind-blowing trade that materializes out of thin air.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Nope. I fully believe that paying 45M over the next 4 years to a slightly-above average SF is less valuable to a rebuilding team than draft picks and cap space.

And there's no way...NO WAY...that you can defend Nic making 4/45 as 'within the market price.'

If POR matched this, people already have criticized it. Getting two picks for a guy going away anyway b/c you don't want to hamstring yourself is a steal.
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Of course I can defend it. It makes more sense than your silly argument about MEM not being able to make the WCSFs, or Minnesota not improving while replacing Martell Webster with Nic Batum, assuming a healthy Rubio.

Congrats!

You just made a division rival better (and younger), and you received what will likely be to picks near #20 in a draft that won't be as deep as this year's.

I'm just wondering how you can defend this deal, and not try to get something of value from Minnesota, instead of terrible draft picks. Really, I'm confused. If you really like this deal, I have to question why.
 
PapaG said:
Of course I can defend it. It makes more sense than your silly argument about MEM not being able to make the WCSFs, or Minnesota not improving while replacing Martell Webster with Nic Batum, assuming a healthy Rubio.

Congrats!

You just made a division rival better (and younger), and you received what will likely be to picks near #20 in a draft that won't be as deep as this year's.

I'm just wondering how you can defend this deal, and not try to get something of value from Minnesota, instead of terrible draft picks. Really, I'm confused. If you really like this deal, I have to question why.
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Everyone on the forum has closed ranks to fight off the hun and you have to be the one guy who swims up stream. Why am I not surprised?
 
Portland's 3 choices are to let him walk, or to overpay for him, or to deal him for at least something.

Looks like the "at least something"
 
PapaG said:
Who says the Blazers don't want to pay Batum? Did I miss something?

It's a garbage trade, and if it becomes a reality, it should be widely criticized, because not only will the picks be garbage, but Olshey just gave a decent young player, within the market price for him, to a division rival.

I assume you're just being a contrarian, though. That is just a terrible trade. Why even worry about Korver in that instance? The Blazers have the cap space to just absorb the picks, and whoever is unfortunate enough to have Korver can just waive his non-guaranteed deal.

If Minnesota wants Batum bad enough, make them give up a Derrick Williams or a Luke Ridnour, who actually would have some on-court value with decent contracts.

David Kahn must be taking his crazy pills again and leaking this idiotic trade. Why, I have no idea, but it is literally the dumbest potential trade I've seen this summer.
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Where the hell have you been?

We're being trolled by a Timberwolf forum. Yesterday they were on here posting dick pictures. Today they're pretty much being good.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Everyone on the forum has closed ranks to fight off the hun and you have to be the one guy who swims up stream. Why am I not surprised?
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What are you talking about? I think it's a terrible deal.

Who is the "hun"? I'm in Chicago all week for work, and haven't posted in days. Did I miss something?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Where the hell have you been?

We're being trolled by a Timberwolf forum. Yesterday they were on here posting dick pictures. Today they're pretty much being good.
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I miss 4 or so days of posting, and this place goes to hell.

Better put me on payroll, Denny.
 
Looking at this Q and A with Olshey, I think he's saying that the two picks and Williams would not be enough; so I absolutely don't think he is taking the two picks and Korver:
Q. Sign and trade is still off the table?

A.Yeah. Look, you don’t close the door to anything in this league, but from what I can see as far as what they could viably offer, as of today, I would think Nicolas would have more value than whatever they could put into a sign and trade.
 
PapaG said:
Of course I can defend it. It makes more sense than your silly argument about MEM not being able to make the WCSFs, or Minnesota not improving while replacing Martell Webster with Nic Batum, assuming a healthy Rubio.

Congrats!

You just made a division rival better (and younger), and you received what will likely be to picks near #20 in a draft that won't be as deep as this year's.

I'm just wondering how you can defend this deal, and not try to get something of value from Minnesota, instead of terrible draft picks. Really, I'm confused. If you really like this deal, I have to question why.
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God help me but, I agree with you PapaG :lol:

Those picks are likely to be pretty underwhelming ... even putting them together to move up in a shitty draft. 11 miillion is overpaying for Batum, but at least you might actually get an 80% return on the money. Those picks probably add up to a 10% hit rate on an adequate starter and on a team that is already going to be overloaded with youngins.
 
PapaG said:
Of course I can defend it. It makes more sense than your silly argument about MEM not being able to make the WCSFs, or Minnesota not improving while replacing Martell Webster with Nic Batum, assuming a healthy Rubio.
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Yes, call me crazy for thinking that MEM won't beat OKC, SAS, LAL or LAC next year.

Congrats! You just made a division rival better (and younger), and you received what will likely be to picks near #20 in a draft that won't be as deep as this year's.
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How does going from Derrick Williams and Wes Johnson to Batum and Roy make them younger and/or better?

I'm just wondering how you can defend this deal, and not try to get something of value from Minnesota, instead of terrible draft picks. Really, I'm confused. If you really like this deal, I have to question why.
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I've been trying to answer that. 1) I don't think MIN is a playoff team, pure and simple. 2) I don't care which draft you're in, first-round picks have a currency all their own in the NBA (which is what I've been attempting to tell people since before we traded Bayless for one that we turned into Wallace). 3) Olshey said himself that we aren't paying someone who doesn't "move the needle." Do you think that Batum "moves the needle?" How is it that he's been "meh" for us for 4 years, but all of a sudden he's going to team up with Love and Rubio and be a monster that leads them to the playoffs?
 
The Blazers could draft the next Victor Claver and Joel Freeland with those picks

Bad deal. It's a Rich Cho loser special.
 
Or they could get Paul Pierce and Kenneth Faried with those picks. Or Darko and Ndudi Ebi. Who knows? But no one knows what's going to be available next June. I'm pretty sure no one on this board (or draftniks like Ford, or GMs) thought "man, if I can wiggle up the the #6 I can snag Damien Lillard!" I'm pretty sure no one was saying "I don't care if I have the 19th pick---I'm not taking Sullinger"

But we got Gerald Wallace for basically a lotto-protected future first and a pick that came from trading away our backup SG.

For the record, I think we'll get more. I'd love Williams with the picks. I don't like Johnson at all, but there's at least a glimmer of potential there for some people. But a potential lotto pick and another pick in the late teens/early 20's (in one year!) isn't a bad haul for an average player who doesn't want to be here and who you'd have to overpay to keep.

Now, keeping Nic at a 5/40M or so contract? That's probably a decent deal. I don't hate Nic. I hate paying him the same that we paid LMA to start his extension.
 
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BrianFromWA said:
Yes, call me crazy for thinking that MEM won't beat OKC, SAS, LAL or LAC next year.

How does going from Derrick Williams and Wes Johnson to Batum and Roy make them younger and/or better?

I've been trying to answer that. 1) I don't think MIN is a playoff team, pure and simple. 2) I don't care which draft you're in, first-round picks have a currency all their own in the NBA (which is what I've been attempting to tell people since before we traded Bayless for one that we turned into Wallace). 3) Olshey said himself that we aren't paying someone who doesn't "move the needle." Do you think that Batum "moves the needle?" How is it that he's been "meh" for us for 4 years, but all of a sudden he's going to team up with Love and Rubio and be a monster that leads them to the playoffs?
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Roy has nothing to do with this trade. Replacing Martell Webster with Nic Batum as a starter makes Minnesota better, IMO.

Nic's a solid 17 PER player on a low USG rate. He's anything but "meh". Hell, you slobbered all over Martell Webster years after most everyone else knew he was a dud, yet you're outraged over giving a 23 year-old starting SF with a 17 PER/20 USG player a 4 year contract?
 
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