ET: Cares not for the haters

[Phatguysrule]

Say we only paid ET $10 million. Who could we have gotten to make us better?

With $7 mill per? Nobody that moves the needle.

He makes us better. It's a very lucrative contract but it's not hurting the team.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I absolutely understand your point. We've come a long ways from the jailblazer era and nobody wants a dick on the team. Bad boy sure. Dick no.

The team really likes him so I am taking that into account.

Dogs are known trippers....

This, thank you. I love having a bad boy on the team. Not a dick. And there's a big difference.

And yeah.....fuck tripping dogs. They smile at you with that smart ass look with their tongues hanging out while you're doing somersaults down a flight of concrete stairs.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Say we only paid ET $10 million. Who could we have gotten to make us better?

With $7 mill per? Nobody that moves the needle.

He makes us better. It's a very lucrative contract but it's not hurting the team.

If nothing else, Turner making $7M less would have prevented the team from having to deal Vonleh this season to get under the tax line.

This summer, Turner making $7M less would probably allow the team to keep someone they'll likely have to let leave (Davis, Shabazz).

It's not all just about bringing other guys in; it's also about keeping guys who are already here.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If nothing else, Turner making $7M less would have prevented the team from having to deal Vonleh this season to get under the tax line.

This summer, Turner making $7M less would probably allow the team to keep someone they'll likely have to let leave (Davis, Shabazz).

It's not all just about bringing other guys in; it's also about keeping guys who are already here.

It's up to the players if Davis and Shabazz are on the team next season. If this team makes the WCF I'm positive Paul Allen will go over the cap to keep them.

 

[Jade Falcon]

It's up to the players if Davis and Shabazz are on the team next season. If this team makes the WCF I'm positive Paul Allen will go over the cap to keep them.

Let's beat a full, healthy 60+ win team before we talk about the WCF. One thing at a time.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

9 game win streak.

He played 18, 22, 14, 19, 22, 33, 23, 21, and 27 minutes.

32:45 against OKC where he went 6-10/17 points.
27:26 against GSW where he went 5-11/12 points.

I'd rather have him than not have him.

Come on, Denny. I don't expect this type of tomfoolery from you.

If we didn't have him, we'd have many more options last offseason
and at the deadline. This flexibility could easily translate into a
player that could more than reproduce his production....

We wouldn't need a "great locker room guy" if he didn't suck so
bad last year, and we had more wins.

Don't get me wrong, I like Turner and he has his moments, but....
1) The "I earned my bread" thing is just stupid.
2) He's worse than a replacement player.
3) At the end of the day, it's clear that our team's biggest weakness is SF - his position.
It's not a big problem if Harkless is playing well - he hasn't been. We're (s2ers)
still hopeful Hark will improve, while at the same time scanning the known
universe (draft/FAs/released players...) for a replacement SF. The reason?
Turner is mediocre and NO ONE thinks he's going to improve his shot,
dribbling, or get better.

Finally, here's the thing. Turner could defuse this hate with some common
sense, but he went the other way: "I work hard in the gym, studying film,
and in the locker room. I was an FA at one of the best times to be an
FA. Not everyone is so lucky, I understand that, but I don't apologize
for that, either. Go Blazers!"

 

[e_blazer]

Let's beat a full, healthy 60+ win team before we talk about the WCF. One thing at a time.

There aren't any 60 win teams in the league at the moment. The only two teams that are likely to hit that level are the Warriors and the Rockets. The Blazers beat a fully healthy Warriors team on Valentines Day.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

ET needs an overprotective wife that blocks people on social media who makes negative comments about him.

 

[Jade Falcon]

There aren't any 60 win teams in the league at the moment. The only two teams that are likely to hit that level are the Warriors and the Rockets. The Blazers beat a fully healthy Warriors team on Valentines Day.

My apologies....I should have said "Contender". Let's beat Boston, Cleveland (they'll find a way to make it), Toronto, GS, and Houston CONSISTENTLY before we talk about the WCF.

Don't get me wrong....I like the positivity, but let's just keep things in perspective and not go all "Kingspeed" on here. We're 12 games behind GS for a reason.

ET needs an overprotective wife that blocks people on social media who makes negative comments about him.

Sounds like a job for Meyers.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

ET needs an overprotective wife that blocks people on social media who makes negative comments about him.

Too bad I'm married and not gay, cause I'd certainly be interested in Half of his $$$.

 

[ripcityboy]

It's up to the players if Davis and Shabazz are on the team next season. If this team makes the WCF I'm positive Paul Allen will go over the cap to keep them.

If we make it through the end of the season in the third seed. Then we can make it to the WCF.

 

[rotary111]

Having a vet like ET in the locker room could be helping someone like Mo etc. We need more than just Dame in their ear giving them support.

 

[e_blazer]

My apologies....I should have said "Contender". Let's beat Boston, Cleveland (they'll find a way to make it), Toronto, GS, and Houston CONSISTENTLY before we talk about the WCF.

Don't get me wrong....I like the positivity, but let's just keep things in perspective and not go all "Kingspeed" on here. We're 12 games behind GS for a reason.



Sounds like a job for Meyers.

Well, the Blazers have the Cavs on Thursday, Houston on Mar. 20th and Boston on Mar. 23rd. By all means, let's beat them. Consistently.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Come on, Denny. I don't expect this type of tomfoolery from you.

If we didn't have him, we'd have many more options last offseason
and at the deadline. This flexibility could easily translate into a
player that could more than reproduce his production....

We wouldn't need a "great locker room guy" if he didn't suck so
bad last year, and we had more wins.

Don't get me wrong, I like Turner and he has his moments, but....
1) The "I earned my bread" thing is just stupid.
2) He's worse than a replacement player.
3) At the end of the day, it's clear that our team's biggest weakness is SF - his position.
It's not a big problem if Harkless is playing well - he hasn't been. We're (s2ers)
still hopeful Hark will improve, while at the same time scanning the known
universe (draft/FAs/released players...) for a replacement SF. The reason?
Turner is mediocre and NO ONE thinks he's going to improve his shot,
dribbling, or get better.

Finally, here's the thing. Turner could defuse this hate with some common
sense, but he went the other way: "I work hard in the gym, studying film,
and in the locker room. I was an FA at one of the best times to be an
FA. Not everyone is so lucky, I understand that, but I don't apologize
for that, either. Go Blazers!"

Knowing how things can take on a life of their own in this forum I don’t want to open a can of worms but......one of the first lessons I learned in the workaday world is that you don’t worry about another person’s paycheck. You worry about your own. We all have a less than objective idea of what our efforts might be worth and you just try to go out and make yourself as valuable as you can. I am a retired public employee (I say that knowing full well I just put a target on my back). My fellow citizens (in general....and including friends and relatives) seem to have a problem with public employee retirees. We’ve taken a good deal of grief and have been made to feel as if we were cheating the rest of society. It seems like all we ever hear anymore (Kinda like ET). But having spent 35 years in a less than desireable job, working shitty schedules for low wages I’ve grown quite calloused. We performed a job that HAD to be done for the benefit of the community. I didn’t lobby or negotiate for my retirement package. It was given to me in lieu of pay raises and my only choice was to accept it. The people running the organization gave it to me voluntarily with no input on my part. Again, kinda like ET and his contract. I get EXACTLY where ET is coming from. FUCK those who don’t like what I’m paid. I earned it (and then some) and it’s no one else’s business. It doesn’t matter whether “Joe Citizen” is technically paying ET’s (or my) wages. We played by the rules of the professions we joined and there’s really nothing else to be said. Haters are gonna hate. God bless ET for figuring that out and moving forward. Anybody who doesn’t like it needs to get over it......

 

[THE HCP]

ET is a quality dude. Always a smile on his face regardless of the situation. I love his attitude, swag he brings to the team. Don't know what the article said, but he is a good dude.

 

[handiman]

"I am not a role model."

You're a "roll over" model.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I wonder if the guy who ET told to fuck off is the same one who crashed his truck in ET's pool?

 

[e_blazer]

I wonder if the guy who ET told to fuck off is the same one who crashed his truck in ET's pool?

No. That's the fan that ET invited to drop in sometime.

 

[Boob-No-More]

ET needs an overprotective wife that blocks people on social media who makes negative comments about him.

Is the username @clank3s taken?

BNM

 

[SportsAndWhine]

9 game win streak.

He played 18, 22, 14, 19, 22, 33, 23, 21, and 27 minutes.

32:45 against OKC where he went 6-10/17 points.
27:26 against GSW where he went 5-11/12 points.

I'd rather have him than not have him.

He's been pretty good in that streak, a 106/106 O/DRtg, an average Game Score of 4.5 (not amazing, but not a liability). I'm not Paul Allen's financial advisor so I don't care about the cost. If he's a net positive on the court, then great.

 

[e_blazer]

Come on, Denny. I don't expect this type of tomfoolery from you.

If we didn't have him, we'd have many more options last offseason
and at the deadline. This flexibility could easily translate into a
player that could more than reproduce his production....

We wouldn't need a "great locker room guy" if he didn't suck so
bad last year, and we had more wins.

Don't get me wrong, I like Turner and he has his moments, but....
1) The "I earned my bread" thing is just stupid.
2) He's worse than a replacement player.
3) At the end of the day, it's clear that our team's biggest weakness is SF - his position.
It's not a big problem if Harkless is playing well - he hasn't been. We're (s2ers)
still hopeful Hark will improve, while at the same time scanning the known
universe (draft/FAs/released players...) for a replacement SF. The reason?
Turner is mediocre and NO ONE thinks he's going to improve his shot,
dribbling, or get better.

Finally, here's the thing. Turner could defuse this hate with some common
sense, but he went the other way: "I work hard in the gym, studying film,
and in the locker room. I was an FA at one of the best times to be an
FA. Not everyone is so lucky, I understand that, but I don't apologize
for that, either. Go Blazers!"

I don't see that the Blazers would have had more flexibility last off-season or at the deadline if they hadn't signed ET. The Blazers are just a bit under the LT threshold of $119M. If they hadn't signed ET or another player in 2016, they'd still be at $103M, which is over the salary cap of $101M. They were literally in a position of lose it or lose it when it came to signing a FA that summer. The only greater flexibility they'd have had is not needing to cut Vonleh to get under the LT. It doesn't seem as though they've missed him much.

 

[hoopsjock]

If nothing else, Turner making $7M less would have prevented the team from having to deal Vonleh this season to get under the tax line.

This summer, Turner making $7M less would probably allow the team to keep someone they'll likely have to let leave (Davis, Shabazz).

It's not all just about bringing other guys in; it's also about keeping guys who are already here.

We wouldn't have made a trade that we've gone 11-1 since making?

 

[Natebishop3]

Stevens got more out of ET in terms of overall production.

10.5 ppg, 4.4 assists, 4.9 rebounds, and 1 steal in 28 minutes per game.

But Stotts is making ET a better shooter, which he has a pretty damn good track record of doing with everyone that comes here.

Player - (before/current)

ET - (24%/32%)

Harkless - (18%/37.5%)

Aminu - (27.4%/39.2%)

Napier - (32.7%/38.6%)

The dude is some kind of voodoo magic worker for shooters. If only we could somehow translate that kind of voodoo over to big men.

 

[bobf]

I think Blazers need to turn ET into Bruce Bowen. He makes almost 36% of his corner threes. That's a good shot already and if he works on it religiously he should improve to 38% or even 40%. That's a way better shot than his post up. Like Aminu, I don't care how ugly his 3 looks.

Save his post up for when the half court set falls apart. ET should not be allowed to just decide it's his turn to shoot and post up early in the shot clock. That's an example Bonehead shot selection.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think Blazers need to turn ET into Bruce Bowen. He makes almost 36% of his corner threes. That's a good shot already and if he works on it religiously he should improve to 38% or even 40%. That's a way better shot than his post up. Like Aminu, I don't care how ugly his 3 looks.

Save his post up for when the half court set falls apart. ET should not be allowed to just decide it's his turn to shoot and post up early in the shot clock. That's an example Bonehead shot selection.

I was actually saying this exact thing to a coworker not 30 minutes ago. His on-ball defense on Durant and Thompson on Friday night was outstanding. If he's got that in his toolbox, he needs to be utilizing it every single game. I don't need him to be the 3rd ballhandler he was initially brought in to be; he needs to be our perimeter defensive stud, and be that consistently. That would be so much more valuable to the team than anything he currently brings on the offensive end.

 

[Denny Crane]

Come on, Denny. I don't expect this type of tomfoolery from you.

If we didn't have him, we'd have many more options last offseason
and at the deadline. This flexibility could easily translate into a
player that could more than reproduce his production....

We wouldn't need a "great locker room guy" if he didn't suck so
bad last year, and we had more wins.

Don't get me wrong, I like Turner and he has his moments, but....
1) The "I earned my bread" thing is just stupid.
2) He's worse than a replacement player.
3) At the end of the day, it's clear that our team's biggest weakness is SF - his position.
It's not a big problem if Harkless is playing well - he hasn't been. We're (s2ers)
still hopeful Hark will improve, while at the same time scanning the known
universe (draft/FAs/released players...) for a replacement SF. The reason?
Turner is mediocre and NO ONE thinks he's going to improve his shot,
dribbling, or get better.

Finally, here's the thing. Turner could defuse this hate with some common
sense, but he went the other way: "I work hard in the gym, studying film,
and in the locker room. I was an FA at one of the best times to be an
FA. Not everyone is so lucky, I understand that, but I don't apologize
for that, either. Go Blazers!"

The record with him speaks volumes, IMO.

He's playing important minutes, and we're winning. He is the replacement player.

Having "better" players on paper doesn't guarantee anything, unless maybe you're adding an MVP caliber player to a Finals team.

There were other teams interested (Knicks for one).

He's on my team, he's succeeding, and I want him to.

 

[KingSpeed]

Olshey got what he paid for. If he was expecting more, that’s on him, not Turner. Players don’t change who they are at 28.

Not true. Heck, Michael Jordan changed who he was at 28 and that's why he won multiple titles. Turner is becoming a better three point shooter.

 

[Scalma]

Not true. Heck, Michael Jordan changed who he was at 28 and that's why he won multiple titles. Turner is becoming a better three point shooter.

What the hell did Michae Jordan change about himself at 28?

Turners best three point shooting season was five years ago.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The record with him speaks volumes, IMO.

He's playing important minutes, and we're winning. He is the replacement player.

Having "better" players on paper doesn't guarantee anything, unless maybe you're adding an MVP caliber player to a Finals team.

There were other teams interested (Knicks for one).

He's on my team, he's succeeding, and I want him to.

I understand your position: Life is a bowl of cherries when you're on a big win streak.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Knowing how things can take on a life of their own in this forum I don’t want to open a can of worms but......one of the first lessons I learned in the workaday world is that you don’t worry about another person’s paycheck. You worry about your own. We all have a less than objective idea of what our efforts might be worth and you just try to go out and make yourself as valuable as you can. I am a retired public employee (I say that knowing full well I just put a target on my back). My fellow citizens (in general....and including friends and relatives) seem to have a problem with public employee retirees. We’ve taken a good deal of grief and have been made to feel as if we were cheating the rest of society. It seems like all we ever hear anymore (Kinda like ET). But having spent 35 years in a less than desireable job, working shitty schedules for low wages I’ve grown quite calloused. We performed a job that HAD to be done for the benefit of the community. I didn’t lobby or negotiate for my retirement package. It was given to me in lieu of pay raises and my only choice was to accept it. The people running the organization gave it to me voluntarily with no input on my part. Again, kinda like ET and his contract. I get EXACTLY where ET is coming from. FUCK those who don’t like what I’m paid. I earned it (and then some) and it’s no one else’s business. It doesn’t matter whether “Joe Citizen” is technically paying ET’s (or my) wages. We played by the rules of the professions we joined and there’s really nothing else to be said. Haters are gonna hate. God bless ET for figuring that out and moving forward. Anybody who doesn’t like it needs to get over it......

Basically, agree, but you're talking employee to employee. It drove me crazy what my colleges made, for a while - then I got over it. OTOH, if I was a boss, I'd care. If you made more than you're worth, I'd look for opportunities to move you elsewhere. On these forums, we don't think of ourselves our lens is faux-GMs, and from that perspective, he's making way more than his value.

That being said, I wouldn't be thrilled as a teammate, either. He hasn't done much more than Shabazz, but his salary is literally 80x as much. None of your colleagues likely made 80x as much as you.

As for the PERS thing, I understand your sensitivity. I am a TIER2 employee myself.