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How did Baze get $19m salary? What did he do to warrant such money? Was it the same offseason that gave ET his money ?
 
How are NBA teams not bankrupt yet for paying scrums so much money?
ET and Crabbe reunited in Hotlanta ... They only missing Shabazz ... to complete the trio. lol
 
Hobbesarable said:
A couple of other teams (Lakers & Rockets) supposedly offered him 4 years, $72 million in 2016. So, he managed to sign with the Hawks at 4 years, $70 million.
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yeah, and the Lakers were so determined to grossly overpay somebody they turned to Luol Deng and gave him 70 million....yeeeeesh
 
hoopsjock said:
Really?
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Marginal upgrade similar contract but Turner brought the intangibles. I don't get the point tbh. seems lateral. at least we didn't give up value and can throw Baze on a trade for an actual upgrade at the deadline
 
illmatic99 said:
Still not seeing the point of this trade
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I can see why you'd say this, but one thing no one has really touched on, and that I think is huge in this trade, is an upgrade in energy and effort. ET sitting nearly out of shape (by NBA standards) already got his and he reminded us of it a lot. He mentioned it a dozen times during his tenure here; he mentioned it in his farewell IG post. He never seemed to be capable of more than 75% effort, except for in bursts. Like physically incapable.

Bazemore, meanwhile, is all effort and hustle and will doubtfully remind us of how overpaid he is every chance he gets.
 
illmatic99 said:
Marginal upgrade similar contract but Turner brought the intangibles. I don't get the point tbh. seems lateral. at least we didn't give up value and can throw Baze on a trade for an actual upgrade at the deadline
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Its not lateral is we only get outscored by 5 points (or less!) per 100 possessions with Bazemore on the court. Seems likely.
 
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illmatic99 said:
Marginal upgrade similar contract but Turner brought the intangibles. I don't get the point tbh. seems lateral. at least we didn't give up value and can throw Baze on a trade for an actual upgrade at the deadline
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I agree Turner brought the intangibles. He was a solid player but had no 3 pt shot. Not a good fit for Terry's offense. He was brought in to play with Dame and CJ not behind them though. If Terry was not going to use him as a "3rd ball handler" then Neil needed to trade him out for a better shooter. Easier to find a true back up PG for the 2nd unit. They are not getting Hood and they needed a wing who can shoot. Not a lateral move for this team IMO
 
hoopsjock said:
Sure, he definitely can. I just don't like what I've seen so far in terms of team oriented play. Dude can get shots off though, it's a useful skill.

I wasn't happy at all when we gave up two 2nd rounders to get him though. One of those picks would've been the 40th pick this year. The other was Miami's in 2021 which could end up being pretty good too.

Guys still on the board if we still had that pick:
Bol Bol
Eric Paschall
Admiral Schofield
Jalen McDaniels
Talen Horton Tucker
Kyle Guy

I'm not saying any of those guys are necessarily better though and I'm pulling for Trent to expand his game.
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I wasn't a big Trent fan before the draft, but, personally, if he were in this draft, I'd have selected him before any of the players you listed with the exception of Bol and Paschall. No one expected Bol to be there, he's coming off an injury and has serious concerns about his strength, but his upside is hard to ignore.

Paschall is kind of like Trent -- a role player who has a shot of sticking.

The difference is Trent's a guy, like we both say, who can get off his own shot. I think that's the single most important skill in basketball. So I give him an edge, just based upon that. It's harder to find good shot-creators and shot makers than it is 6-7 guys who D-out.
 
PCmor7 said:
I wasn't a big Trent fan before the draft, but, personally, if he were in this draft, I'd have selected him before any of the players you listed with the exception of Bol and Paschall. No one expected Bol to be there, he's coming off an injury and has serious concerns about his strength, but his upside is hard to ignore.

Paschall is kind of like Trent -- a role player who has a shot of sticking.

The difference is Trent's a guy, like we both say, who can get off his own shot. I think that's the single most important skill in basketball. So I give him an edge, just based upon that. It's harder to find good shot-creators and shot makers than it is 6-7 guys who D-out.
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I don't mind Trent, I just didn't like giving up 2 picks to get him. I'm actually glad we didn't have to include him in this ET trade. I'm surprised we didn't.
 
JoshuaHall said:
Did you just list the same Kyle Guy that averaged a full .2 assists more than Gary Trent Jr. over his college career? Admiral Schofield less as well. And THT a full assist more.

Trent is a black hole but they aren’t?

You can’t make this up.
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Guy didnt dominate the ball as much though. He was almost primarily a catch amd shoot guy and straight line driver. CJ is more of a black hole than Allen Crabbe, even though he averages more assists.
 
wizenheimer said:
sure, he "can" improve....every single player is capable of that, especially a young player

after their rookie seasons, you could have said:

Ha Seung Jin can improve
Sergei Monia can improve
Taurean Green can improve
Josh McRoberts can improve
Victor Claver can improve
Armon Johnson can improve
Elliot Williams can improve
Meyers Leonard can improve
Caleb Swanigan can improve

it's just a boiler plate statement that means next to nothing.

All we can go on right now is what we've seen so far and Hoopsjock is right, all Trent has shown is that he's a chucker. Per36 he only scored 13 points on 16.2 shots; that sucks. He had the 3rd highest FGA rate on the team behind Dame and CJ but was 17th on the team in TS%, just ahead of Swanigan. He was also 17th on the team is assists/36. There is nothing there that is encouraging

now, it's true: he's still very young and he shot extremely well from the FT line in college and hit 40% of his three's from the college 3 point line, so you'd expect he can show a little better as he matures. But he's going to have to improve a ton to really make a difference. Right now, his 'upside' might be if he can get on the Layman trajectory, but some player that might be a sometimes rotation player two years from now isn't somebody to worry about
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LOL. First, every single one of the guys you mentioned had a longer resume coming into the NBA than Trent, except maybe Ha ... quite honestly, putting Ha on this list is almost an insult to everyone. The guy wasn't even a lottery ticket, he was a shot in the dark. Armon Johnson? Really? Please. And Elliot Williams was coming off a catastrophic injury.

Considered a borderline lottery pick much of the year before he actually was drafted, Trent was a better prospect than any of the other guys you listed other than perhaps Meyers and Claver. Meyers' prospect status was elevated by the fact that he was 7-feet tall and hadn't played much basketball, giving him what people saw as untapped potential.

I mean, I guess you can pick apart and judge him on the mop-up time he played. I think that's pretty silly, but it reflects on your judgment, not mine, so have at it. I mean, the Layman comparison is absolutely ridiculous. You are saying Trent's upside is that of a guy who played FOUR years in college and took THREE years to get to be part of an NBA rotation. You're comparing a guy who is 20 with a guy who is 25. Trent's freshman year at Duke significantly outperformed any of Layman's seasons at Maryland and it was considered a freaking disappointment. As a rookie, Trent outperformed either of Layman's first two years, and Layman became a rotation guy in his third year.

There's pretty much one hole in the guy's game: He doesn't pass enough. For a 20-year-old, it's pretty good that people can fixate on one thing and kill him over it, especially when he can create quality shots for himself and shoots the ball well.
 
JoshuaHall said:
Did you just list the same Kyle Guy that averaged a full .2 assists more than Gary Trent Jr. over his college career? Admiral Schofield less as well. And THT a full assist more.

Trent is a black hole but they aren’t?

You can’t make this up.
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Get with the program. The narrative is how Trent is horrible. Reality doesn't matter.
 
illmatic99 said:
Marginal upgrade similar contract but Turner brought the intangibles. I don't get the point tbh. seems lateral. at least we didn't give up value and can throw Baze on a trade for an actual upgrade at the deadline
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Frees up ball handling minutes for Ant, replicates some of the offensive qualities of Hood, with someone who has a defensive motor/loves the chase-down block. I think there is enough difference in play styles that even if it is lateral, there will be new synergies.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree Turner brought the intangibles. He was a solid player but had no 3 pt shot. Not a good fit for Terry's offense. He was brought in to play with Dame and CJ not behind them though. If Terry was not going to use him as a "3rd ball handler" then Neil needed to trade him out for a better shooter. Easier to find a true back up PG for the 2nd unit. They are not getting Hood and they needed a wing who can shoot. Not a lateral move for this team IMO
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Bazemore shot 32% from three last year.
 
BBert said:
And .394 the year before that.

He'll bounce back next year, when he's healthier and on a better team.

Baze is also a very good defender, better than Turner IMO, so there's also that.

:cheers:
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Career 35%. Let's see how he fits. Still not convinced this is anything more than rearranging deck chairs
 
i heard in some reports that the Hawks see Turner as a backup PG?

Evan "Turnover" Turner?

thank fuckin god they dont watch any tape.....
 
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