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If 98% of Blazers fans like this deal, and 99.9% of Hawks fans like this deal....

Somehow the 2% of Blazers fans that don’t like this deal will seem louder than the 2% they actually represent. But the Blazers did a solid job here (even if Bazemore plays 0 games next year).
 
So current signed people for next year in a rotation....

PG - Dame, Simons
SG - CJ, Bazemore, Trent
SF - Moe, Little, Bazemore
PF - Collins, Skal
C - Nurk, Meyers

FA - Hood, Aminu, Curry, Layman, Kanter

with Bazemore i guess the retaining of layman and hood arent as pressing, PF still an issue. would be nice to get curry n enes back tho. but we really need a decent PF
 
BlayZa said:
So current signed people for next year in a rotation....

PG - Dame, Simons
SG - CJ, Bazemore, Trent
SF - Moe, Little, Bazemore
PF - Collins, Skal
C - Nurk, Meyers

FA - Hood, Aminu, Curry, Layman, Kanter

with Bazemore i guess the retaining of layman and hood arent as pressing, PF still an issue. would be nice to get curry n enes back tho. but we really need a decent PF
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Noah Vonleh sure would look nice on this team right now.
 
As much as I hated his play and fit here, the guy could be trusted enough to not mess up in a game 7 on the road. He contributed real minutes that night in Denver and the moment was not too big for him. For all the shit he deserves, he was a terrific veteran presence.

I wanted him off the team but for an actual upgrade. Hell I'd rather have hood over Bazemore. I'd have used Turner to open up full mle for him.
 
One thing I haven't seen mentioned about Bazemore (sorry if I missed it) is that we now have his Full Bird Rights next summer. Not that we'd sign him to a big deal but if he plays well for us then we can keep his cap hold while we use the Full-MLE and the BAE and then re-sign him on a cheap deal.

That might work out better than actually having cap space.
 
illmatic99 said:
As much as I hated his play and fit here, the guy could be trusted enough to not mess up in a game 7 on the road. He contributed real minutes that night in Denver and the moment was not too big for him. For all the shit he deserves, he was a terrific veteran presence.

I wanted him off the team but for an actual upgrade. Hell I'd rather have hood over Bazemore. I'd have used Turner to open up full mle for him.
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Turner was a joke on a national level.
I heard people on multiple podcasts laughing at his playoffs numbers.

I won't argue with that last line. I would rather have Hood too, but we don't know if that option was even on the table.
 
What if we envision Bazemore as our starting SG and not as a SF? He can play the 2 position. I am sure that Neil is not done trading and making roster moves. But could this move means that CJ's spot is not 100% sure? Even more with all the praise for Anfernee from Neil lately.

I could live with a Dame - Bazemore - Harkless - ??? (Piece coming back from a CJ Trade) - Nurkic starting 5. With Bazermore instead of CJ our defensive ability is already instantly better. Or an other iteration could be Dame - Bazemore - ??? (piece coming back from CJ Trade) - Collins - Nurkic. If our 3 guard is a potent defensman, this lineup is pretty balanced in offense AND defense.
 
illmatic99 said:
As much as I hated his play and fit here, the guy could be trusted enough to not mess up in a game 7 on the road. He contributed real minutes that night in Denver and the moment was not too big for him. For all the shit he deserves, he was a terrific veteran presence.

I wanted him off the team but for an actual upgrade. Hell I'd rather have hood over Bazemore. I'd have used Turner to open up full mle for him.
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That's basically the only time he stepped up in last playoffs from what I remember. His overall playoffs stats were embarrassing.
 
Simons hype is getting crazy. He's still ultimately a 19 yr old with only 140 mins total experience.

We're gonna be relying on him for 20 mpg off the bench every night? I love the idea of throwing him into the fire, but I'd still like a minimum vet PG as our third string-- someone who won't gripe about mins and help nurture the youngins. We can't go with Dame as our only true PG.

Someone like Jeremy Lin would be perfect.
 
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illmatic99 said:
Simons hype is getting crazy. He's still ultimately a 19 yr old with only 140 mins total experience.

We're gonna be relying on him for 20 mpg off the bench every night? I love the idea of throwing him into the fire, but I'd still like a minimum vet PG as our third string-- someone who won't gripe about mins and help nurture the youngins. We can't go with Dame as our only true PG.

Someone like Jeremy Lin would be perfect.
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Does Lin take the minimum though?
 
illmatic99 said:
Career 35%. Let's see how he fits. Still not convinced this is anything more than rearranging deck chairs
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Hood only shot 34.5 % for the Blazers last year, (from deep) and he has never shot 39% for a season although came real close) Yet we are all dying for him to re-sign.
Maybe Baze is a lateral move offensively for Hood? Which I would be fine with since I think he is a better defender then Hood
 
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BonesJones said:
Guy didnt dominate the ball as much though. He was almost primarily a catch amd shoot guy and straight line driver. CJ is more of a black hole than Allen Crabbe, even though he averages more assists.
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Not sure I follow.

Kyle Guy usage rate is higher than GTJr.

Gary Trent Jr. didn’t dominate the ball at Duke, either. In fact, if you look back at what they said about Trent coming out of Duke, it was the fact he had to limit his game to catch and shoot because they wanted him to camp out at the 3 point line.
 
JoshuaHall said:
Not sure I follow.

Kyle Guy usage rate is higher than GTJr.

Gary Trent Jr. didn’t dominate the ball at Duke, either. In fact, if you look back at what they said about Trent coming out of Duke, it was the fact he had to limit his game to catch and shoot because they wanted him to camp out at the 3 point line.
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You realize usage rate isnt indicative of how much a player dominates the ball, right?

But I could simply point to AST% as will. Trent is a chucker.

10 shot attempts per assist in NBA
12.3 shot attempts per assist in G-League.

Thats bad.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Hood only shot 34.5 % for the Blazers last year, (from deep) and he has never shot 39% for a season although came real close) Yet we are all dying for him to re-sign.
Maybe Baze is a lateral move offensively for Hood? Which I would be fine with since I think he is a better defender then Hood
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Baze would never have a series like Hood did against Denver.
 
hoopsjock said:
Two things...

1) Assists aren't always indicative of a player's ability to pass. I prefer to look at AST%.

Trent is terrible at 6.8% in college (similar in NBA).

Guy was 11.9% last year.

Schofield was 12.0%

Horton-Tucker was a pretty good 16.2% (well over double Trent).

Just to give some perspective, CJ was 13.8% last year. The guys I mentioned are close to him, Trent isn't.


2) Even if I granted you that those guys are also just as bad of chuckers, that still ignores that we'd still have Miami's 2021 2nd round pick too along with said chucker.
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Then you need to take into account role and usage rate as well.

Gary Trent Jr., by the admission of everyone at Duke (and since you watched “almost all his Duke games”) was limited to a catch and shoot 3pt shooter because they had absolutely no shooting / spacing.

With that in mind, plus a significantly lower usage rating, makes sense as to why he would have a lower ast % than the rest.
 
BonesJones said:
You realize usage rate isnt indicative of how much a player dominates the ball, right?

But I could simply point to AST% as will. Trent is a chucker.

10 shot attempts per assist in NBA
12.3 shot attempts per assist in G-League.

Thats bad.
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It’s indicative of how much he has the ball.

Less opportunity with the ball = less likely to get assists.

And when your opportunity with the ball, by your own team and coaches admission is to “jack 3’s cuz you’re our only shooter and need spacing” is further going to hamper your assist percentage.

Also being told not to “drive and clog the lane.”

Role matters. So does usage.
 
illmatic99 said:
Simons hype is getting crazy. He's still ultimately a 19 yr old with only 140 mins total experience.

We're gonna be relying on him for 20 mpg off the bench every night? I love the idea of throwing him into the fire, but I'd still like a minimum vet PG as our third string-- someone who won't gripe about mins and help nurture the youngins. We can't go with Dame as our only true PG.

Someone like Jeremy Lin would be perfect.
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Tim Frazier has played well since we traded him. He started for 3 different teams last year due to injuries. (Including Toronto and Mil ) He and Dame are tight. He could be an option.
 
BonesJones said:
You realize usage rate isnt indicative of how much a player dominates the ball, right?

But I could simply point to AST% as will. Trent is a chucker.

10 shot attempts per assist in NBA
12.3 shot attempts per assist in G-League.

Thats bad.
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And once again, his AST% is (admittedly) garbage because yes he is a chucker but he was also told to bomb 3s and to stay out of the lane.
 
JoshuaHall said:
It’s indicative of how much he has the ball.

Less opportunity with the ball = less likely to get assists.

And when your opportunity with the ball, by your own team and coaches admission is to “jack 3’s cuz you’re our only shooter and need spacing” is further going to hamper your assist percentage.

Also being told not to “drive and clog the lane.”

Role matters. So does usage.
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So a bunch of reasons why he doesn't pass... Guess what, he still doesn't pass. Never has proven to be a passer at any level in any situation. Therefore, it's likely ingrained in him.
 
JoshuaHall said:
It’s indicative of how much he has the ball.

Less opportunity with the ball = less likely to get assists.

And when your opportunity with the ball, by your own team and coaches admission is to “jack 3’s cuz you’re our only shooter and need spacing” is further going to hamper your assist percentage.

Also being told not to “drive and clog the lane.”

Role matters. So does usage.
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Its very possible Trent was put in that role because he didnt have the skillset to do other things well.

So far in his very short career he hasnt shown the skillset to create for others, does he have it? I dont know, but he sure hasnt shown it.
 
BonesJones said:
So a bunch of reasons why he doesn't pass... Guess what, he still doesn't pass. Never has proven to be a passer at any level in any situation. Therefore, it's likely ingrained in him.
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Once again, I never said he was a passer, nor was I arguing that he was so I don’t know what the fuck your point is other than making straw man arguments.

I said it was laughable that someone notes Gary Trent Jr. as a black hole then suggested a bunch more players - who are more developed, have higher usage ratings, and had a greater role than “stand at the 3pt line and jack 3s” - as players he would prefer but “I don’t like Trent because he is a black hole.”

Why the fuck else would you like any of those other players more then? They’re arguably just as bad, if not worse - given age, role, etc.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Its very possible Trent was put in that role because he didnt have the skillset to do other things well.

So far in his very short career he hasnt shown the skillset to create for others, does he have it? I dont know, but he sure hasnt shown it.
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By his coaches admission, he could do a lot more than “jack 3s”.

Once again — at no point have I argued or stated he is a great passer — so maybe lay off the Gary trent Jr focus and start telling me why, if he is a “black hole” those other players are logically not black holes.

Get off Trent’s dick and start picking apart

Kyle Guy
admiral schofield
THJ

Since they aren’t “black holes”
 
JoshuaHall said:
Once again, I never said he was a passer, nor was I arguing that he was so I don’t know what the fuck your point is other than making straw man arguments.

I said it was laughable that someone notes Gary Trent Jr. as a black hole then suggested a bunch more players - who are more developed, have higher usage ratings, and had a greater role than “stand at the 3pt line and jack 3s” - as players he would prefer but “I don’t like Trent because he is a black hole.”

Why the fuck else would you like any of those other players more then? They’re arguably just as bad, if not worse.
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Dont take things so serious my guy. We're talking about Trent's "ability" to pass.

You picked out one guy who isn't even more of a black hole. Guy averaged 2.1apg in college, Trent averaged 1.4. Also, eye test.
 
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