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wizenheimer said:
ok...it's kind of a mean joke, but:

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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha


Hold on I got something to say:

Baaaaahahahahhahahahahahahahah
 
B-Roy said:
No he wasn't. Demarre Carroll was.

Baze was the starter on the 48 win Hawks team the next year.
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Excuse me he was the SG for the 60-22 Hawks.

Carroll is trash and on his way out of the league.
 
craigehlo said:
Excuse me he was the SG for the 60-22 Hawks.

Carroll is trash and on his way out of the league.
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No, Korver was (he made the all star team that year). Baze played 17 MPG on the 60 win team as a backup.
 
dviss1 said:
Did you have to post the supersize version of your original post? :tongue:

That said, ET was by all accounts a great teammate and friend. I think the basketball side of Dame understands and was probably rooting for this.
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You know what's weird.....i posted that on my phone, it said nothing was there on my link, so I posted a screen grab.
 
if last season playing injured is an anomaly, then his lowest percentage shooting the corner three was 41% over the previous 4 seasons with atlanta, with a high of 43.6%. will likely look a lot better than ET taking that shot.
edit: for comparison on converting on corner three attempts last season
ET 22.2%
Mo 28.9%
Chief 35.6%
 
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Scalma said:
Idk how we can label him anything when he literally has not seen one minute in non mop up duty yet. Who knows how he’d play in a more structured setting.
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I've watched him play a few games in high school, most of his games at Duke, G-League games last year, Summer League last year, and garbage time in the NBA. Dude doesn't pass. He's about as big of a black hole as you can get.

I'm not saying he can't improve that or that his scoring ability isn't a good skill to have but c'mon man don't try to pretend he notices anyone else on the court with him.
 
hoopsjock said:
I've watched him play a few games in high school, most of his games at Duke, G-League games last year, Summer League last year, and garbage time in the NBA. Dude doesn't pass. He's about as big of a black hole as you can get.

I'm not saying he can't improve that or that his scoring ability isn't a good skill to have but c'mon man don't try to pretend he notices anyone else on the court with him.
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Who's doing that, though? The point some of us are trying to make is that he CAN improve.
 
I'm amazed sometimes how we keep winning around 50 games per year when I continue reading about how bad 90 percent of our roster is. It's unbelievable considering how the roster of every other team in the NBA is comprised almost entirely of perfect players who always make the right pass, always take good shots, always make the right move on defense, and every player they draft always performs to their ceiling immediately.
 
Been reading some posts from the Atlanta side.
They are calling this a trade move for Bazemore. There is a feeling that Atlanta was trying to take care of him and find him a place to play on a contender. There are very few that don't see Turner as a limited player and a downgrade from Bazemore.
One interesting comment was about Bazemore's injury last year hampering his shot. That would explain the drop in percentage from three point.
The Blazers might have got much better here. Certainly if he returns to his 2018 numbers.
https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019...ckup-point-guard-analysis-portland-role-value
 
ABM said:
Without reading through this string...it appears the ATL folks believe they got the short end of the stick. Who am I to disagree!

That said, is this simply a 1-year fix, of sorts?

On a complete side note, I'd kinda like to see Robert Covington (RoCo) don a Blazers uni.
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DUUUUUDE!!!!!!!!
 
PCmor7 said:
Who's doing that, though? The point some of us are trying to make is that he CAN improve.
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Sure, he definitely can. I just don't like what I've seen so far in terms of team oriented play. Dude can get shots off though, it's a useful skill.

I wasn't happy at all when we gave up two 2nd rounders to get him though. One of those picks would've been the 40th pick this year. The other was Miami's in 2021 which could end up being pretty good too.

Guys still on the board if we still had that pick:
Bol Bol
Eric Paschall
Admiral Schofield
Jalen McDaniels
Talen Horton Tucker
Kyle Guy

I'm not saying any of those guys are necessarily better though and I'm pulling for Trent to expand his game.
 
PCmor7 said:
Who's doing that, though? The point some of us are trying to make is that he CAN improve.
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sure, he "can" improve....every single player is capable of that, especially a young player

after their rookie seasons, you could have said:

Ha Seung Jin can improve
Sergei Monia can improve
Taurean Green can improve
Josh McRoberts can improve
Victor Claver can improve
Armon Johnson can improve
Elliot Williams can improve
Meyers Leonard can improve
Caleb Swanigan can improve

it's just a boiler plate statement that means next to nothing.

All we can go on right now is what we've seen so far and Hoopsjock is right, all Trent has shown is that he's a chucker. Per36 he only scored 13 points on 16.2 shots; that sucks. He had the 3rd highest FGA rate on the team behind Dame and CJ but was 17th on the team in TS%, just ahead of Swanigan. He was also 17th on the team is assists/36. There is nothing there that is encouraging

now, it's true: he's still very young and he shot extremely well from the FT line in college and hit 40% of his three's from the college 3 point line, so you'd expect he can show a little better as he matures. But he's going to have to improve a ton to really make a difference. Right now, his 'upside' might be if he can get on the Layman trajectory, but some player that might be a sometimes rotation player two years from now isn't somebody to worry about
 
wizenheimer said:
sure, he "can" improve....every single player is capable of that, especially a young player

after their rookie seasons, you could have said:

Ha Seung Jin can improve
Sergei Monia can improve
Taurean Green can improve
Josh McRoberts can improve
Victor Claver can improve
Armon Johnson can improve
Elliot Williams can improve
Meyers Leonard can improve
Caleb Swanigan can improve

it's just a boiler plate statement that means next to nothing.

All we can go on right now is what we've seen so far and Hoopsjock is right, all Trent has shown is that he's a chucker. Per36 he only scored 13 points on 16.2 shots; that sucks. He had the 3rd highest FGA rate on the team behind Dame and CJ but was 17th on the team in TS%, just ahead of Swanigan. He was also 17th on the team is assists/36. There is nothing there that is encouraging

now, it's true: he's still very young and he shot extremely well from the FT line in college and hit 40% of his three's from the college 3 point line, so you'd expect he can show a little better as he matures. But he's going to have to improve a ton to really make a difference. Right now, his 'upside' might be if he can get on the Layman trajectory, but some player that might be a sometimes rotation player two years from now isn't somebody to worry about
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There’s nothing to take away from garbage time. Nothing. This is a ridiculous conversation. All I know is Olshey really likes him. Odds are in his favor.
 
hoopsjock said:
Sure, he definitely can. I just don't like what I've seen so far in terms of team oriented play. Dude can get shots off though, it's a useful skill.

I wasn't happy at all when we gave up two 2nd rounders to get him though. One of those picks would've been the 40th pick this year. The other was Miami's in 2021 which could end up being pretty good too.

Guys still on the board if we still had that pick:
Bol Bol
Eric Paschall
Admiral Schofield
Jalen McDaniels
Talen Horton Tucker
Kyle Guy

I'm not saying any of those guys are necessarily better though and I'm pulling for Trent to expand his game.
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Did you just list the same Kyle Guy that averaged a full .2 assists more than Gary Trent Jr. over his college career? Admiral Schofield less as well. And THT a full assist more.

Trent is a black hole but they aren’t?

You can’t make this up.
 
The other thing i'm wondering is if Bazemore isn't a target of another team that might want him that has a player the Blazers are targeting?
Enough people are saying that Portland probably isn't done that it's making me do mental gymnastics about the possibilities?
 
JoshuaHall said:
Did you just list the same Kyle Guy that averaged a full .2 assists more than Gary Trent Jr. over his college career? Admiral Schofield less as well. And THT a full assist more.

Trent is a black hole but they aren’t?

You can’t make this up.
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You must not have read all of my post.
hoopsjock said:
I'm not saying any of those guys are necessarily better though and I'm pulling for Trent to expand his game.
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wizenheimer said:
sure, he "can" improve....every single player is capable of that, especially a young player

after their rookie seasons, you could have said:

Ha Seung Jin can improve
Sergei Monia can improve
Taurean Green can improve
Josh McRoberts can improve
Victor Claver can improve
Armon Johnson can improve
Elliot Williams can improve
Meyers Leonard can improve
Caleb Swanigan can improve

it's just a boiler plate statement that means next to nothing.

All we can go on right now is what we've seen so far and Hoopsjock is right, all Trent has shown is that he's a chucker. Per36 he only scored 13 points on 16.2 shots; that sucks. He had the 3rd highest FGA rate on the team behind Dame and CJ but was 17th on the team in TS%, just ahead of Swanigan. He was also 17th on the team is assists/36. There is nothing there that is encouraging

now, it's true: he's still very young and he shot extremely well from the FT line in college and hit 40% of his three's from the college 3 point line, so you'd expect he can show a little better as he matures. But he's going to have to improve a ton to really make a difference. Right now, his 'upside' might be if he can get on the Layman trajectory, but some player that might be a sometimes rotation player two years from now isn't somebody to worry about
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Yes, let’s ignore the improvement of:

Allen Crabbe
Will Barton
Damian Lillard
CJ McCollum
Zach Collins

Aka pretty much every pick since Olshey has been here.
 
hoopsjock said:
You must not have read all of my post.
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No. I did.

You said you didn’t like Trent’s game because he was a black hole.

You then listed a bunch of black holes.

Logic would dictate that if you don’t like Trent’s game because he is a black hole, you wouldn’t like the others.

It’s even more true because most of them stayed multiple years in college and had more time to develop.

So yes I read your post in it’s entirety. It’s just plain bad logic.
 
Scalma said:
All I know is Olshey really likes him. Odds are in his favor.
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before Olshey gave Meyers an extension, he really really liked him too. So much so that he actually said "if Meyers believed in himself half as much as I believe in him, he'd be an all-star". Shortly after that, he gave Meyers 41 million dollars. I think Olshey really liked Allen Crabbe too, and at one time, he really liked Evan Turner....right after he liked Chandler Parsons
 
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JoshuaHall said:
No. I did.

You said you didn’t like Trent’s game because he was a black hole.

You then listed a bunch of black holes.

Logic would dictate that if you don’t like Trent’s game because he is a black hole, you wouldn’t like the others.

It’s even more true because most of them stayed multiple years in college and had more time to develop.

So yes I read your post in it’s entirety. It’s just plain bad logic.
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Two things...

1) Assists aren't always indicative of a player's ability to pass. I prefer to look at AST%.

Trent is terrible at 6.8% in college (similar in NBA).

Guy was 11.9% last year.

Schofield was 12.0%

Horton-Tucker was a pretty good 16.2% (well over double Trent).

Just to give some perspective, CJ was 13.8% last year. The guys I mentioned are close to him, Trent isn't.


2) Even if I granted you that those guys are also just as bad of chuckers, that still ignores that we'd still have Miami's 2021 2nd round pick too along with said chucker.
 
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