Federal appeals court deals blow to President Obama’s amnesty

[Denny Crane]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/26/appeals-court-deals-blow-obama-amnesty/

A federal appeals court upheld an injunction against President Obama’s new deportation in a ruling Tuesday that marks the second major legal setback for an administration that had insisted its actions were legal.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit ruled in favor of Texas, which had sued to stop the amnesty, on all key points, finding that Mr. Obama’s amnesty likely broke the law governing how big policies are to be written.

“The public interest favors maintenance of the injunction,” the judges wrote in the majority opinion.

Mr. Obama had acted in November to try to grant tentative legal status and work permits to as many as 5 million illegal immigrants, saying he was tired of waiting for Congress to act.

 

[Denny Crane]

As much of a critic of Obama's domestic and foreign policies as I am... I am on his side on this one.

 

[MARIS61]

No surprise there.

You're for anything that keeps Real Americans from attaining the American Dream through honest effort.

 

[Denny Crane]

Real americans?

Anyone who lives here for years is a real american. Not someone you decree is or isn't.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Not really doe.

 

[MarAzul]

As much of a critic of Obama's domestic and foreign policies as I am... I am on his side on this one.

Nothing wrong with having an opinion. but the facts are, the constitution grants Congress the authority, "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization".

The law is on the books, the Presidents authority consists of, "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed".

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

People that illegally come into the country are not real Americans

If they legally did the paperwork to come over as I've had family members do, then They are real Americans

 

[MarAzul]

How about giving a Post an unlike button even if you haven't punched the like button?

 

[julius]

People that illegally come into the country are not real Americans

If they legally did the paperwork to come over as I've had family members do, then They are real Americans

And how!

 

[MarAzul]

According to anthropologist, no one was created here in America. Perhaps legally and real American are synonymous.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

And how!

Figures.

 

[Denny Crane]

Nothing wrong with having an opinion. but the facts are, the constitution grants Congress the authority, "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization".

The law is on the books, the Presidents authority consists of, "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed".

I've never suggested that everyone who comes here be made a citizen via said Rules of Naturalization.

That doesn't make people who make their home here any less "american."

Funny how it's MARIS who's opposed to people making a fair wage for their labor.

 

[speeds]

Funny how it's MARIS who's opposed to people making a fair wage for their labor.

He's a real character.

 

[Denny Crane]

He's a real character.

If people are forced to scratch out a living via black market underground, they're not going to be able to pursue the best jobs they're suited for. Call them "not real Americans " and deny them even basic opportunity, they'll resort to violence.... Duh.

The whole "real Americans " schtick is frankly bigoted and race based. Again, duh.

 

[MARIS61]

If people are forced to scratch out a living via black market underground, they're not going to be able to pursue the best jobs they're suited for. Call them "not real Americans " and deny them even basic opportunity, they'll resort to violence.... Duh.

The whole "real Americans " schtick is frankly bigoted and race based. Again, duh.

Says the rabid racist who supports economic slavery in all of it's nefarious forms.

There are somewhere between 10 and 20 million illegal aliens currently propping up the world's largest slave labor economy here. They are purposely allowed to enter and remain in our country for both economic reasons (destroy the middle-class) and racist reasons (keep black Americans in poverty and jail).

They turned their backs on their own struggling countrymen, deserted their families, and they are criminals and liars every day they are here under false pretense stealing opportunities from Real Americans who would lay down their lives for America. And they spit on the very Constitution that is the foundation of America, having no loyalty or concern for any country or anyone but themselves.

They are not forced to work in a black market. They work for minimum wage or better using bogus ID. They are never turned down for a job. They are rarely unemployed for any length of time. Their employment rate far exceeds that of LEGAL Hispanic-Americans who love America, were born here (45%) or went through the immigration process (37%), follow our laws and support our Constitution.

How many unemployed vets do we have? How many unemployed minorities do we have? Why don't all jobs pay a living wage? This is why.

 

[MarAzul]

The whole "real Americans " schtick is frankly bigoted and race based. Again, duh.

I don't quite agree. I think real American tracks right on with legal American. Congress has the right and the power to determine what is legal. Anyone else here other than visitor following
legal rules, has no right to be here, hence the term illegal. Don't make it a race thing just because most that here that did not follow the rules are brown people. Labeling that "Race" or
"Racist" is political motivated obfuscation.

 

[Denny Crane]

Says the rabid racist who supports economic slavery in all of it's nefarious forms.

There are somewhere between 10 and 20 million illegal aliens currently propping up the world's largest slave labor economy here. They are purposely allowed to enter and remain in our country for both economic reasons (destroy the middle-class) and racist reasons (keep black Americans in poverty and jail).

They turned their backs on their own struggling countrymen, deserted their families, and they are criminals and liars every day they are here under false pretense stealing opportunities from Real Americans who would lay down their lives for America. And they spit on the very Constitution that is the foundation of America, having no loyalty or concern for any country or anyone but themselves.

They are not forced to work in a black market. They work for minimum wage or better using bogus ID. They are never turned down for a job. They are rarely unemployed for any length of time. Their employment rate far exceeds that of LEGAL Hispanic-Americans who love America, were born here (45%) or went through the immigration process (37%), follow our laws and support our Constitution.

How many unemployed vets do we have? How many unemployed minorities do we have? Why don't all jobs pay a living wage? This is why.

I support free markets. You're the one who would deny 10's of millions of people a fair wage, or even to join a union.

All an employer has to do is say, "I'll pay you $2/hour under the table or report you to INS" and that's how your style of wages work.

They're no more criminals than you are. Maybe they are

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't quite agree. I think real American tracks right on with legal American. Congress has the right and the power to determine what is legal. Anyone else here other than visitor following
legal rules, has no right to be here, hence the term illegal. Don't make it a race thing just because most that here that did not follow the rules are brown people. Labeling that "Race" or
"Racist" is political motivated obfuscation.

More real american than you or MARIS. By a long shot.

Either that or everyone who lives here is a real american.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yuu know that Law of Nations book you like to talk about, MarAzul? The author was a fellow named Vattel.

https://books.google.com/books?id=L...72oPgBQ&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q&f=false



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[MarAzul]

More real american than you or MARIS. By a long shot.

Either that or everyone who lives here is a real american.

That dude looks like Victor Mature in costume. But no matter the real ones migrated here just like you or me and legally I might add.

 

[Denny Crane]

That dude looks like Victure Mature in costume. But no matter the real ones migrated here just like you or me and legally I might add.

There was no "legal" or "illegal" migration here for thousands of years. It's only a racist recent thing to build fences to keep people out.

 

[Denny Crane]

Law of Nations says immigration should be unhindered. Emigration in history has been sacred.

Sacred, a word you might like.

 

[MarAzul]

Yuu know that Law of Nations book you like to talk about, MarAzul? The author was a fellow named Vattel.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Lv-Fa-fZ0VgC&pg=PA294&lpg=PA294&dq=vattel forced migration&source=bl&ots=AMqJN7HHGx&sig=-9MFtzQQkfnpV14nougu6OLvR6Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vjtmVc3kEMbfoAT72oPgBQ&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Very Good Denny. Sounds about right hey! There is a right until it become unlawful. We did indeed take much of the Law of Nation into account in creating this Nation.
I think Madison and did take this subject in from the law of Nation in giving the power to Congress to control Naturalization (legal immigration) Madison's copy of the Law of
Nations is on display in the Smithsonian and very interesting it is, with Madison's hand marked notes in the margins of the book.

But of course, not all of it became law, it is rather dumb to think that immigration can continue into a Nation unabated for all time. More natural to expect that it will become unlawful
at some point, as Congress has done.

 

[MarAzul]

There was no "legal" or "illegal" migration here for thousands of years. It's only a racist recent thing to build fences to keep people out.

Yeah, the way it was is just that, was. During my life time the population of the Earth has tripled. It would triple again in half the time if we stayed the course, but that is not possible,
so things will now change.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Invading Mexico would end this illegal immigration problem. I'd rather invade Canada but Mexico would be a huge upgrade over Iraq and Afghanistan. We should only invade countries that the average citizen wants to visit.

 

[MarAzul]

We should only invade countries that the average citizen wants to visit

I second the idea. Going fishing in Mexico is great. But talk about some cops that need to be straighten out! Yeah got a watch your ass there, err at least the gringos do.

 

[MarAzul]

There was no "legal" or "illegal" migration here for thousands of years. It's only a racist recent thing to build fences to keep people out.

Sure there was Denny. It was legal! It takes overt action to make it illegal as Congress as done. You best rethink your position, your out of water. You haven't got room for any flavor.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not worried about the lack of water. Nor am I worried about someone with not-white skin somehow harming me.

This country was built on unfettered immigration

 

[MARIS61]

I support free markets. You're the one who would deny 10's of millions of people a fair wage, or even to join a union.

All an employer has to do is say, "I'll pay you $2/hour under the table or report you to INS" and that's how your style of wages work.

They're no more criminals than you are. Maybe they are

Pure fiction. What you support is the dissolution of 200 years of advancement in worker's civil rights. What you don't support is the existence of countries or governments.

But this is our country, and we are a self-governed society. Continually pretending that our laws don't exist or that the world's population was born with an inherent right to invade and pillage our country "just because" is pathetic and boringly inane.

No employer who employs illegal aliens can threaten to call INS as a form of coercion against illegal aliens. He or she would be ridiculed for such an empty threat. Any illegal who works one hour for sub-minimum wage could actually blackmail the employer for using the threat.

The penalties for employing illegals and/or paying ANYONE less than minimum wage are far greater than any non-enforced illegal immigration law .

 

[Denny Crane]