FIRE CRONIN

[1 Eye Jack]

I wonder how much longer Dwight will be on Olshey's payroll...

But he’s right…..

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I'm convinced that the Powell and Roco interest had dried up and the Clips were the only chance to free up get something for Roco before he walked...put Norm on a team he'd fit with. They'll get to rock the playoffs

Interest dried up on an 18 ppg scorer who shoots 40% from 3 and considered a decent defender, ummmmm no flipping way

 

[TBpup]

I wonder how much longer Dwight will be on Olshey's payroll...

The absolute horror. Jaynes was/is an Olshey shill, but that doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Don't know if this was posted yet: Frank isn't going to come out and say "Wow we really killed it on this trade" but
Andrew Greif: Lawrence Frank said he “never” thought it was realistic to get a player like Norm Powell, under a long-term contract of his skillset. “He’s such a prolific catch and shoot player.”
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[AldoTrapani]

Don't know if this was posted yet: Frank isn't going to come out and say "Wow we really killed it on this trade" but
Andrew Greif: Lawrence Frank said he “never” thought it was realistic to get a player like Norm Powell, under a long-term contract of his skillset. “He’s such a prolific catch and shoot player.”
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Damn this trade is getting worse by the day. I know the Blazers can do whatever they want but man what if the NBA investigates them for malpractice or some shit. Something fishy is going on

 

[Hoopguru]

If you have two players you plan on replacing for whatever reason, in this case cap flex, Simons, position improvement and you have targets before deadline and after season, they execute.

 

[MickZagger]

I would bet a large sum of money that this is not the case. In fact, these moves actually point towards an owner who is trying to make sure she can pay Dame the super-max without totally breaking the bank from the tax standpoint.

I don’t want to pay Lillard the super max. That would be so stupid and ruin our flexibility to put a team around him.

Lillard’s best years are behind him but no one really wants to accept that.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I don’t want to pay Lillard the super max. That would be so stupid and ruin our flexibility to put a team around him.

Lillard’s best years are behind him but no one really wants to accept that.

Exactly. I'm loyal to the team, not a player. The best thing for our team is to get as many assets as we can for Dame, CJ, Nurkic, Nance and start over.

 

[MickZagger]

No one will ever convince me that’s the best we could’ve got out of trade combination of Norm and RoCo.

Why make that shit trade so far in advance? Seems like a GM who’s a little wet behind the ears in negotiating.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don’t want to pay Lillard the super max. That would be so stupid and ruin our flexibility to put a team around him.

Lillard’s best years are behind him but no one really wants to accept that.

Im not sure if his best years are behind him, hoping the surgery helps him, but i agree i dont want to pay the supermax.
Maybe Dame is on board with a 3 year window rebuild and this is the first of many moves over the next year, so they are back to a winning team after next year, contenders the year after that. All with Dame sold on the Blazers doing what they need to do to bring in a new #1 option ( like chris paul has with booker) and Dame agreeing to not take a max to help make it all happen?

 

[MickZagger]

Exactly. I'm loyal to the team, not a player. The best thing for our team is to get as many assets as we can for Dame, CJ, Nurkic, Nance and start over.

Yep. Blow it up and it’s obvious.

So we sign Lillard to some stupid super max and then his production declines rapidly or he becomes a player who is more injured in his older years. Then we’re really fucked for years to come.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No one will ever convince me that’s the best we could’ve got out of trade combination of Norm and RoCo.

Why make that shit trade so far in advance? Seems like a GM who’s a let wet behind the ears in negotiating.

My thought is he is dull on in tank move. If he waited ww maybe win the okc game. If we go full on tank, we may get top five.
Cj, bledsoe as a pay and waive, and that pick could land us an all star caliber player?

 

[MickZagger]

My thought is he is dull on in tank move. If he waited ww maybe win the okc game. If we go full on tank, we may get top five.
Cj, bledsoe as a pay and waive, and that pick could land us close to mvp caliber?

That pick would get us a Giannis or Durant or Embiid?

 

[Orion Bailey]

That pick would get us a Giannis or Durant or Embiid?

ill edit. Sorry. I meant all star caliber. Not mvp caliber.
Thinking Simmons, Ingram, etc.

Think thats possible?

Ant/Dame/Nas/Ingram/Nurk

sounds solid, no? and open to shopping nurk as well.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That pick would get us a Giannis or Durant or Embiid?

ill edit. Sorry. I meant all star caliber. Not mvp caliber.
Thinking Simmons, Ingram, etc.

Think thats possible?

Ant/Dame/Nas/Ingram/Nurk

sounds solid and open to shopping nurk as well.

toss in our pick if needed? NO sucks. They need to move on from the team they have.

 

[MickZagger]

ill edit. Sorry. I meant all star caliber. Not mvp caliber.
Thinking Simmons, Ingram, etc.

Think thats possible?

Ant/Dame/Nas/Ingram/Nurk

sounds solid and open to shopping nurk as well.

That’s maybe a decent team. Depends on if Lillard still has some good ball left in him.

 

[MickZagger]

toss in our pick if needed? NO sucks. They need to move on from the team they have.
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But if they’re looking to blow it up and restart, why would they trade for CJ’s awful contract that has a couple more years on it.

 

[Orion Bailey]

But if they’re looking to blow it up and restart, why would they trade for CJ’s awful contract that has a couple more years on it.

Fair point but also a mirad of possibilities. Maybe its a three team trade putting cj in a better spot?
Maybe they aren't in full blow it up but think cj and Hayes and hart is a better mix of talent than what they have? Maybe cj/nurk and our pick for ingram and valleusunas(sp?)

 

[blazerkor]

toss in our pick if needed? NO sucks. They need to move on from the team they have.
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But if they’re looking to blow it up and restart, why would they trade for CJ’s awful contract that has a couple more years on it.

Yeah, it's my understanding that the rumor is that they would be getting CJ to combine with Ingram, Zion and Valanciunas, not trade one of those guys to get him. I'd imagine they are thinking less valuable players like Hart and Hayes or Alexander-Walker and a worthless player like Satoransky plus a first rounder (which they have 11 of that are available to trade... I know they can't trade they're first this year because even though it will likely be theirs they technically traded it to the Hornets and the Lakers pick they supposedly have this year has a very odd protection on it so it would be really weird to trade it).

 

[Chris Craig]

Yep. Blow it up and it’s obvious.

So we sign Lillard to some stupid super max and then his production declines rapidly or he becomes a player who is more injured in his older years. Then we’re really fucked for years to come.

We're the Blazers, we are already fucked

 

[Cugel]

I think that is what we are witnessing: the complete dismantling of a team. I also don't think it will ever be retooled to be a contender; that is not the priority of the current owners. I think they will build a team on the cheap try to keep seats filled and T-shirts sold and that's it. That is probably what plenty of teams do except those with really committed owners willing to put their necks out to win, out of ego if nothing else.

They could offer Dame his extension but by that time it will be obvious to him that they will never be contenders. So he asks out. Money saved and it's "Dame's fault".

Jody is not even a "real" owner. She woke up one day with all of this on her plate and goes to a game now and tries to look engaged but she doesn't give a fuck, or she doesn't know how to give a fuck.

 

[blazerkor]

Fair point but also a mirad of possibilities. Maybe its a three team trade putting cj in a better spot?
Maybe they aren't in full blow it up but think cj and Hayes and hart is a better mix of talent than what they have? Maybe cj/nurk and our pick for ingram and valleusunas(sp?)

We don't have a first we can trade.

 

[Strenuus]

I don’t want to pay Lillard the super max. That would be so stupid and ruin our flexibility to put a team around him.

Lillard’s best years are behind him but no one really wants to accept that.

He is coming back healthy and RESTED for the first time in years.

He has 3-4 years of his prime left, IMO.

I'll post it every time.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Jody is not even a "real" owner. She woke up one day with all of this on her plate and goes to a game now and tries to look engaged but she doesn't give a fuck, or she doesn't know how to give a fuck.

I really do not understand all the concern over Jody Allen. We are a team that without Dame's injury would have been a low level playoff team - which is what we've been for most of the 35 years we've been owned by Paul Allen and family. We've continued since his death to have one of the highest payrolls in basketball. The problem, in addition to not being a free agent destination, is that we had a GM in charge who could not build a balanced roster to save his life. Jody Allen didn't put him in charge, and no one was calling for him to be fired after 2019.

And as for Dame, of course you pay him. He wasn't healthy but still carried us in recent years. Healthy? He'll make any roster competitive.

 

[MickZagger]

He is coming back healthy and RESTED for the first time in years.

He has 3-4 years of his prime left, IMO.

I'll post it every time.

We shall see.

I think he has good basketball left in him. But I think the days of him carrying the team on his back are coming to an end.

 

[MickZagger]

Haha so we settle for a shit deal that basically brings back no assets a WEEK before the deadline and we’re supposed to just buy into some argument that fans overvalued those players.

lol

Meanwhile Clippers front office and fans are rejoicing knowing they got away with highway robbery

 

[MickZagger]

I think he's about to beast.....fixing a 4 year old injury isn't going to make him a worse player....we shall see but Lillard isn't trade fodder in my view....people are having unnecessary panic attacks as
we undo the roster unbalance.....in Dec Roco was hated by everyaround here...now people think he's a young Lamarcus Aldridge.....Norm was just a really bad fit here and I don't think he liked it here either

Norm has value around the league. A year ago he dropped 40 in a playoff game. He averaged almost 20 a game and plays defense.

 

[Strenuus]

We shall see.

I think he has good basketball left in him. But I think the days of him carrying the team on his back are coming to an end.

Maybe when he comes back he won't have to -as much- if... And its a "feels impossible" if in terms of our front office, we get help around him.

Regardless, he will be a top 15-20 player for at least 2 more years, and in my opinion, a couple years more.

That being said, a super max in a couple years... I'd be hesitant. Not that I dont think he deserves it because he deserves every dollar he earns, but from a team financial standpoint it's not great. Then again you have to consider the one and only source that's said he wanted that. An out the door butthurt piece of shit olshey. Now, olshey didn't SAY it but we all know who his mouthpiece is. And if you havent noticed, it's never been mentioned since.

 

[blazerfan11]

I really do not understand all the concern over Jody Allen. We are a team that without Dame's injury would have been a low level playoff team - which is what we've been for most of the 35 years we've been owned by Paul Allen and family. We've continued since his death to have one of the highest payrolls in basketball. The problem, in addition to not being a free agent destination, is that we had a GM in charge who could not build a balanced roster to save his life. Jody Allen didn't put him in charge, and no one was calling for him to be fired after 2019.

And as for Dame, of course you pay him. He wasn't healthy but still carried us in recent years. Healthy? He'll make any roster competitive.

If Lillard and Nassir Little were healthy the whole situation would be different. Jody Allen didn't make them injured. The best thing to do now is to tank, but that doesn't mean the team will be crap next year. It should be better with Nassir Little replacing Powell, and who knows what we get from the draft or a trade. The big question is the health of Nassir Little and Damian Lillard.

 

[Strenuus]

I think he's about to beast.....fixing a 4 year old injury isn't going to make him a worse player....we shall see but Lillard isn't trade fodder in my view....people are having unnecessary panic attacks as
we undo the roster unbalance.....in Dec Roco was hated by everyaround here...now people think he's a young Lamarcus Aldridge.....Norm was just a really bad fit here and I don't think he liked it here either

It's not extremes, river. No one thought he was a young LMA. After all, people were more annoyed they didn't get the value for both trade pieces. Remember, RoCo had interest from multiple teams, so doing the de a week before the deadline is asinine when you realize that . That's just stupid. I highly doubt that Cronin said "guys we got our best offer here no need to call about RoCo anymore".

But to say people thought he was a young LMA, sarcastic or not, that doesn't make sense, isn't based on the reality of the situation, nor is it even remotely correct lol. I got what you were trying to do, but it doesn't jive with what we realistically thought.