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We got a talent downgrade, a single 2nd round pick, and not even an expiring deal. The notion we could have done worse, or that this was a price (penance) we had to pay for past mistakes is a pathetic rationalization. It takes intentional effort to make a deal this bad and it is absolutely indefensible. Powell was one of the few meaningful assets the team had (assuming Dame is not on the table) and they tossed him away for zero return.
 
We were taking Paul. That was well-known.
Everyone in the world could see that Paul was an elite talent who was likely falling to Portland at #3. The John Nash money quote was... "We don't need Chris Paul, we have Sebastian Telfair!" My special place in hell was having had some formative years growing up in Winston-Salem as a Wake fan and watching most of CP's games only then to watch Nash shit the bed in excruciating slo-mo.

Context of Nate burying his head on how horrible trade/move was... he was so sold on Martell that he compared him favorably to MJ in an article for some crap website he was with as well as throwing out 10,000 pro-Webster posts a day in this community. Lucky us!

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We got a talent downgrade, a single 2nd round pick, and not even an expiring deal. The notion we could have done worse, or that this was a price (penance) we had to pay for past mistakes is a pathetic rationalization. It takes intentional effort to make a deal this bad and it is absolutely indefensible. Powell was one of the few meaningful assets the team had (assuming Dame is not on the table) and they tossed him away for zero return.

Agreed, but we 'kind of' got an expiring deal. Bledsoe's $19,000,000 next year is only partially guaranteed and can be bought out for $3.9 million. Hopefully that can be used as an ending contract for someone else along to perhaps get a little something more. It also helps us manage our cap.

Still, not happy with what we got, but it significantly improved out Cap situation.
 
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I think he made a trade strictly to make a trade to try to make his mark.
 
Quick is taking it to Cronin.

Baffled - thinks there’s a good chance this trade was made out of incompetence.

Joe Cronin’s going to run this franchise further into the ground.

could you summarize or quote for those of us who don't have an Athletic account
 
“So absorb Friday’s trade with caution. We don’t know yet if it’s the first step toward respectability or the first indication of incompetence.”
 
Rain Man also had the audacity to indirectly tell the fanbase to shut up with the Neil Olshey smugness: “We made the playoffs for 8 years, we know what we’re doing.”

:biglaugh: *never contenders/fringe playoff team
 
could you summarize or quote for those of us who don't have an Athletic account
it's a bit sensationalist. and the lease/sale angle is completely unnecessary.
The real play here, of course, was to cut payroll and get the Blazers under the luxury tax. And, as coach Chauncey Billups noted before the game, to give the Blazers that much-coveted prospect named “flexibility.”

“Today we took some necessary steps to have some flexibility that we will need,” Billups said.

There promise to be more moves ahead as the Feb. 10 deadline nears, which will likely add greater context to Friday. There’s no doubt the Blazers needed to shed salary to avoid paying tax for such a poor product. And there’s no doubt the Blazers needed to shuffle what had devolved into one of the more depressing rosters since that loveable collection of Raymond Felton, Marcus Camby and Gerald Wallace led the great mutiny of 2011-12.

But geez, this wasn’t a real encouraging start.

Interim general manager Joe Cronin hasn’t felt the need to engage with the fan base or provide them with a vision. After eight years of constructing a playoff roster, he says the fan base should have a little faith that the Blazers’ front office knows what it’s doing.

So … we wait. For the fan base, it’s another “trust us” moment from the Blazers. Trust us that we did our due diligence into Billups’ past. Trust us that all the recent firings — and there have been many, from the top health and performance staffer on the bench to those on the business side — were done in good faith. Trust us that the investigation into Neil Olshey found just cause for his dismissal. And trust us that all these cost-cutting moves are not in preparation to sell the team.

And what about those rumors of Jody Allen selling the Blazers?

Well, that’s a big ball to untangle for another day, but for starters here are some key dates.

The ground leases for the Moda Center, Rose Quarter offices, the Rose Quarter plaza and a collection of parking garages run through October of 2025. The Blazers must notify the city by September of 2024 of their intentions to extend or renegotiate the lease. If the ground lease expires without renewal, ownership of the Moda Center shifts from the Blazers to the city.

In 2018, after Paul Allen died, the city told Oregon Public Broadcasting that they anticipated opening negotiations with the Blazers about those leases.

“As we are coming into the last five-to-seven years of these agreements, we are all cognizant that we’re going to have to sit at the table and have a conversation,” said Susan Hartnett, who has since moved on from her title as Spectator Facilities and Development Manager for the city.

Well, those conversations between the city and the Blazers haven’t happened.

Why?

“You would need to ask them, the team,” said Karl Lisle, the City of Portland Venues Program Director. “Essentially, they hold the options to extend, and of course, they hold the options to ask for something else, or start a conversation there. But to date, those conversations have not started.”

Blazers president Dewayne Hankins, who took over in November when Chris McGowan resigned, told The Athletic on Friday that “we are committed to Portland and the team is not for sale. We are engaged with the city currently, and the ground lease is a high priority for both us and the city, one which will require significant planning.”

When told that city officials said there has been no engagement with the Blazers, Hankins said he is first addressing a more pressing issue, the operating agreement for the Veterans Memorial Coliseum, the Blazers’ old arena that is on the Moda Center campus. That operating agreement expires on June 30, 2023.

“We are leading with conversations about the operating agreement at the Coliseum, which has a more near-term impact than the lease,” Hankins said. “That has to happen first.”

Typically, a negotiation for new terms on a ground lease could take four to six months, so there is time for the Blazers to be settled. But as the smoke clears from the latest round of firings, and Friday’s salary dump, it’s natural to wonder what we are seeing.

“Nobody knows what the plan is there, except for Jody, as far as I can tell,” said Lisle, the city manager. “But it’s an obvious question, and everybody is wondering — what does this mean? What is going on?”

If you believe the Blazers, Friday means nothing other than a necessary step toward getting out of the mess they’ve created. You know, the old, “trust us” line. Cronin wants us to trust him that smarter moves are coming. Billups wants us to trust that progress is being made on the court. And Hankins wants us to trust him when he says “we’ve already made our intentions clear to the city that we are committed to staying in Portland.”

So absorb Friday’s trade with caution. We don’t know yet if it’s the first step toward respectability or the first indication of incompetence. And we don’t know if it’s the first step toward selling the team or the first action to becoming more fiscally responsible.

All we know for sure is Friday was a good day to be a billionaire owner.
 
Quick is taking it to Cronin.

Baffled - thinks there’s a good chance this trade was made out of incompetence.

Joe Cronin’s going to run this franchise further into the ground.

Quick’s a douchebag though. His chops when it comes to basketball is awful. He was trying to sell us this past offseason that the Lillard, CJ, Nurk combo could work because of some small sample net rating bullshit
 
absolutely shameful that Cronin leaves his players out to answer questions that he needs to answer. dumbass POS took his cues from his idiot former boss in not controlling the media narrative.

 
GMs don't do post game interviews...reporters ask the questions...not sure what your point is....Cronin put out an interview with Golliver right after the trade...you don't like the trade that's one thing but Joe and Nurk aren't at odds here....Nurk could get traded himself...he knows that too. Joe's not going to show his cards to the press while he's trying to do deals..why would he? He said he's moving money to shore up the frontcourt and wing.
you call responding to three questions with non-answers an interview?
 
absolutely shameful that Cronin leaves his players out to answer questions that he needs to answer. dumbass POS took his cues from his idiot former boss in not controlling the media narrative.


I'll give him a break on all of that until the deadline. If things are in flux then he can damage his ability to make more moves that he thinks are smart (that's a really scary concept after yesterday). So I think it's normal to be quiet right now unless you think you're done, then he should be introducing the new players and answering questions about the move.
 
Morey told Cronin he'd rather have Eric Bledsoe in a Simmons trade than Powell and Roco.
 
I'm convinced that the Powell and Roco interest had dried up and the Clips were the only chance to free up get something for Roco before he walked...put Norm on a team he'd fit with. They'll get to rock the playoffs

Interest doesn't dry up so many days before deadline when 95% of the deals happen.
This deal would be there any day of the week. It's not a coincidence everyone is saying Clippers hit the jackpot.
 
I'm convinced that the Powell and Roco interest had dried up and the Clips were the only chance to free up get something for Roco before he walked...put Norm on a team he'd fit with. They'll get to rock the playoffs

If it was the trade deadline... Yes.

A week before it? That's just not logical.
 
He gave you all the answer you needed...salary cap relief for putting money into positions of need...roster balance and money dump...he's not telling you his deadline gameplan in the press...I think you're painted more of a veil over his answers than really is there. He's just priming the pump...Chauncey also mentioned Joe and him have discussed what a championship roster requires...same page..I like it. He hinted that the rookie Keon was very on on their draft board wish list so that's also affected the trade...one thing...Norm and Roco were viewed as bad fits for what Chauncey wants to do so addition by subtraction. The first move from Joe was to save ownership a boatload of repeater tax money going into next year by getting under the tax...
I get all of that, but what irritates me is that we made another team much better in the process, and didn’t get the return we could have for two starters. If the team that gets the better player always wins the trade, then the Clippers won twice.
 
Quick is taking it to Cronin.

Baffled - thinks there’s a good chance this trade was made out of incompetence.

Joe Cronin’s going to run this franchise further into the ground.

“So absorb Friday’s trade with caution. We don’t know yet if it’s the first step toward respectability or the first indication of incompetence.”


“Good chance…”

“We dont know yet if….”


Yeah those mean the same thing….

lol.

you been spreading alot of seemingly fake news lately….
Trump must be proud. :)
 
“Good chance…”

“We dont know yet if….”


Yeah those mean the same thing….

lol.

you been spreading alot of seemingly fake news lately….
Trump must be proud. :)

The things people get attributed to saying, versus what they actually say, has taken a serious beating on this board as of late.
 
The things people get attributed to saying, versus what they actually say, has taken a serious beating on this board as of late.

i agree, but i think it hasn't been as of late. Its been since shortly after 2016. ;). Though it is getting considerably worse it seems.

Almost as if they know, but do it anyhow on purpose.
 
The elephant in the room: there is one scenario where the Blazers' actions make sense.

Jody, et al, have decided to move on from Dame. If they provoke Dame into demanding a trade it will decrease his value, but it also allows them to blame him when things go (even further) to hell.
 
The elephant in the room: there is one scenario where the Blazers' actions make sense.

Jody, et al, have decided to move on from Dame. If they provoke Dame into demanding a trade it will decrease his value, but it also allows them to blame him when things go (even further) to hell.

I would bet a large sum of money that this is not the case. In fact, these moves actually point towards an owner who is trying to make sure she can pay Dame the super-max without totally breaking the bank from the tax standpoint.
 
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