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MickZagger said:
Yep. Blow it up and it’s obvious.

So we sign Lillard to some stupid super max and then his production declines rapidly or he becomes a player who is more injured in his older years. Then we’re really fucked for years to come.
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This is the future more likely than any other. Think of Kobe's last 3 years on the Lakers.
 
Strenuus said:
He is coming back healthy and RESTED for the first time in years.

He has 3-4 years of his prime left, IMO.

I'll post it every time.
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Even if true he's had rosters with more talent and none of them were legit contenders.

There is no way to contend in Lillard's prime with this roster that lost two starters for nothing.

Even if Dame is amazing like in the bubble and the team loses early in the playoffs, what's the point?
 
riverman said:
over value our players is what is causing all this stuff....simple...I'm just being patient with the rebuild.....we weren't going to bring in a player now that will get us in the playoffs...we're shedding salary...off season we'll see more action and maybe one more move by the deadline but people have fantasized about all these trades we could get that really were S2 pipe dreams and not probably on the table.
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Doing nothing and letting Roco walk wouldve provided more value then this shit return. You make it sound like Norm was on a Westbrook or John Wall contract. He'd be amazing as a 3rd guard/6th man.

Trade CJ for an expiring contract and keeping Norm would've given this team more cap flexibility in the future and more assets to build a winner in the summer. None of the above is a Blazer fans "overvaluing" players.

This trade is indefensible.
 
Expiring contracts have always been a nice piece around deadline time. Especially for 3 and D type guy who can help a team in the playoffs.

Add to that an almost 20ppg scorer who plays defense and is in his prime.

We got back 3 guys who most likely will never help us, no assets. A week before teams get more anxious to make that trade that helps them.

Shit trade and there’s no way around it.
 
MickZagger said:
Expiring contracts have always been a nice piece around deadline time. Especially for 3 and D type guy who can help a team in the playoffs.

Add to that an almost 20ppg scorer who plays defense and is in his prime.

We got back 3 guys who most likely will never help us, no assets. A week before teams get more anxious to make that trade that helps them.

Shit trade and there’s no way around it.
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Somehow we turned a 20ppg two way scorer on a great contract into 3 scrubs making 12 million next season and people think we gained financial flexibility?
 
riverman said:
Avoiding the repeater tax and getting 3 players...one expiring that can be used to shed more salary is not no assets back.....maybe not what you all fantasized about but they are assets....roster spots are also assets and eliminating a constant mismatch at SF is another asset....freeing minutes for younger cheaper players is also an asset...... it's over folks...move on
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Have you ever been critical of the team? Ever?

We could’ve traded Lillard for a shit sandwich and you’d be on here justifying it to us.
 
riverman said:
Avoiding the repeater tax and getting 3 players...one expiring that can be used to shed more salary is not no assets back.....maybe not what you all fantasized about but they are assets....roster spots are also assets and eliminating a constant mismatch at SF is another asset....freeing minutes for younger cheaper players is also an asset...... it's over folks...move on
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It's a message board. Fans can post messages all they want. So no I don't have to move on.

You can talk about how great every decision is and support the team no matter what. Others can criticize the team no matter the action. I and many others fairly support or criticize where warranted.

I supported Neil when he did well even up to being fired so I'm not some blind hater. But I'm very pissed when a team I followed for 30 years gave away 2 starters for scrubs and has got worse in both the short and long term with no upside.

I'm not gonna get over it in a few days, so don't tell me to get over it.
 
riverman said:
Avoiding the repeater tax and getting 3 players...one expiring that can be used to shed more salary is not no assets back.....maybe not what you all fantasized about but they are assets....roster spots are also assets and eliminating a constant mismatch at SF is another asset....freeing minutes for younger cheaper players is also an asset...... it's over folks...move on
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There were literally hundreds of possible trades that could've got the Blazers out of the repeater tax. Giving away two starters for scrubs was not the smart way to do it.
 
riverman said:
Some say a 5 year contract wasn't giving us flexibility....or easy to trade which is why I read Detroit passed on Norm....teams don't want to take on long contracts to end up with an injured guy who you can't get off the books for half a decade. Nas needs to start at SF
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When just about everyone disagrees with you including all of the national pundits you aren't necessarily wrong, you're just most likely wrong. It's really not a matter of the financials not making sense, you keep on pointing out that we got under the tax and freed up a little money for the off season (6M), you also keep saying we freed up a roster spot when we actually used up an extra roster spot both this season and next but what you are blatantly neglecting is there was more time to negotiate, there was more time to see what was out there. Unfortunately for your argument what most writers and analysts, some of whom have been GMs before, are saying is that if we were going to take these players back for RoCo and Norm we should have gotten more draft capital back. The idea that Cronin could have been certain 7 days before the deadline that no better deal would surface is just incorrect.

So the organization got what they wanted, they got under the luxury tax which was goal number one and they gained a very small amount of cap space for this summer. That just can't possibly be worth the difference in production between Norm and RoCo versus Bledsoe, Winslow and Johnson... the 2025 second round pick wasn't even a fifth of what it would have taken to make up the difference. It can only possibly be worth the difference if our team doesn't care about winning during Dame's window of being a top competitor in this league because Bledsoe is completely washed and was never that good to begin with, Winslow was a draft bust five years ago and is only a rotation guy on bad teams and a lot of experts thought Johnson was a huge stretch at 21 and Brandon Boston Jr. has been proving those experts right all season.

Just break it down, be logical and you'll have to agree that from a competitive standpoint (not just this year but for years to come) this was a horrendous deal.
 
riverman said:
Those trades are fantasy basketball trades....fact is none of them panned out but the Clippers offer..and Roco was benched for Nance....he couldn't remain a starter on our bad team this season....but hey...you can grieve for Norm and Roco....I'm not going to. I'd have kept Norm and moved Ant and CJ but they like Ant here more than I do.....Norm I'm sure requested to be traded without involving the media.....out for personal reasons was probably connected to that. When Dame was putting up 50 in pain against a depleted Nuggets team last post season...Norm and Roco did not help him out and contribute to the cause....Norm has looked bored here more than not....listen to his post game interviews and you think he's going to nod out. Move on folks
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Or you could stop responding to everyone telling people to move on.

It was a shit trade. Stop trying to spin it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Is he wrong?
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I love it when posters write off a columnist, reporter, etc. Just because they speak the truth on the state of the team sometimes.

Dwight sucks. I get it. Doesn't mean he is wrong. Or Canzano is wrong. Or Quick is wrong.

They have been wrong. But so have every poster here.
 
wizenheimer said:
absolutely, yet 3 or 4 people are working OT coming from all kinds of strange angles to defend it
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Move on bro. Stop whining about it.

Blah blah blah blah.

People forget this is a forum. If the Blazers do a shit move we can complain about it. We can criticize the team even if they are our favorite team.

Think about Kings fans. Could you imagine their fans? That franchise sucks. You would still have those posters saying we are ridiculous for thinking they made a bad move.
 
MickZagger said:
I don’t want to pay Lillard the super max. That would be so stupid and ruin our flexibility to put a team around him.

Lillard’s best years are behind him but no one really wants to accept that.
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I agree that paying Dame less money would be better for Portland's cap flexibility.

If it turns out he wants the max, does that mean you would trade him? Portland is in a tough spot.
 
Of course Dame will want the max or close to it. If he is going to stay here for the twilight of his career, he is gonna want to be paid. If we had any chance of actually competing for a title and we needed wiggle room, maybe he would consider it. But, we aren't even close to being contenders.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Is he wrong?
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I have no clue if he's right or wrong. I guess here's what we KNOW to this point:
  1. Cov hasn't been traded to another team
  2. There is no way to prove/disprove Cronin panicked. If I do or don't like the move
  3. Jaynes over the last few years has taken a pro-Olshey stance on nearly every topic or suddendly had no opinion about him when he was under investigation.
Doesn't it feel like he's a pushing an agenda for someone else vs reporting facts?
 
Tince said:
I have no clue if he's right or wrong. I guess here's what we KNOW to this point:
  1. Cov hasn't been traded to another team
  2. There is no way to prove/disprove Cronin panicked. If I do or don't like the move
  3. Jaynes over the last few years has taken a pro-Olshey stance on nearly every topic or suddendly had no opinion about him when he was under investigation.
Doesn't it feel like he's a pushing an agenda for someone else vs reporting facts?
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wait a minute though. If I said the same thing would I be pushing a pro-olshey agenda? Kill the messenger? (and I hate Jaynes...he was canzano before canzano)

just because Cronin may be a terrible GM doesn't mean olshey is any better. I suppose some people might look at it that way but is would be an idiot's view of the world
 
Tince said:
I agree that paying Dame less money would be better for Portland's cap flexibility.

If it turns out he wants the max, does that mean you would trade him? Portland is in a tough spot.
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Absolutely. I’d trade him right now. He’ll be on the decline soon and I don’t see us putting a contender around him anytime soon
 
MickZagger said:
Absolutely. I’d trade him right now. He’ll be on the decline soon and I don’t see us putting a contender around him anytime soon
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People don't realize, you can love a player and root for him on a team that actually gives him a shot at contending. That won't be us.

Love the team. Not a player. Want what is best for the team. Sometimes that means splitting up.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
People don't realize, you can love a player and root for him on a team that actually gives him a shot at contending. That won't be us.

Love the team. Not a player. Want what is best for the team. Sometimes that means splitting up.
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LOL...yeah, after the recent trade Cronin is definitely the GM you want trading Dame away
 
Dont you guys think there is a plan in place, that has alternative routes based on what happens next week and off-season?
Most corporation use 1-3-5 year plan with quantifiable step criteria.
If it doesn't go well with Joe another GM will come in stir us up. He may very well trade Dame and take a total rebuild approach or maybe he will ask for favors from other teams and reload?
 
riverman said:
I'll fucking post whatever I want....stop playing forum ref and post whatever you want....we disagree...I can deal with that.you should try to as well.and yes...the deal is done...move on is what I'm doing ...you can waller in the muck all you want...I'm not a forum cop. Move on is reality...simple...we control what we can control and the move is done...you can freak out and it won't change a thing. I don't need your agreement because I'm not selling opinions....they're simply my opinions...you can pull up polls and feel good that you have company in yours.
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Bro....you tell everyone to move on. You are telling people to stop bitching about the trade. We can post whatever we want. You can tell people to move on as much as you want. Just like we can complain about one of the worst trades the NBA has seen in awhile.
 
Hoopguru said:
Dont you guys think there is a plan in place, that has alternative routes based on what happens next week and off-season?
Most corporation use 1-3-5 year plan with quantifiable step criteria.
If it doesn't go well with Joe another GM will come in stir us up. He may very well trade Dame and take a total rebuild approach or maybe he will ask for favors from other teams and reload?
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That doesn't explain away that we gave talented players away for basically free.
 
riverman said:
That's not what you said...you said stop posting what I posted.......I can post whatever I want and I never said you couldn't....it's over
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Because you keep telling everyone to move on.

We don't have to. You can spin it anyways you want but this trade was horrendous.

Keep doing you though.
 
riverman said:
move on....it's a done deal....I'll print a T shirt is you like....I told you specifically you don't need to...you can waller in angst over the trade and see if it makes anything change...an exercise in pure futility in my view but knock yourself out
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I'll go watch the 77 title on Youtube to make myself feel better. Thanks Riverman.
 
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