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You're nuts. I can't stand Frank's style but he alone has kept your team from the cellar year after year. Few if any coaches do more with less. Unless your goal is a top pick, I suppose.
 
Are you kidding me this guy is the worst motivator ever. His defensive schemes are the most ridiculous things you'll ever see. This franchise has gone downhill since we fired Scott and hired this piece of shit
 
Fire Frank because he plays Hassell and Anderson way too much.
 
Dumpy said:
Yi, Najera, Simmons, and Swift have all been out. Now Jarvis Hayes is hurt. Who would YOU play?
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Yi and Simmons are healthy now, yet they both are still coming off the bench for the third or fourth game in a row.
 
xflavioVC15x said:
Are you kidding me this guy is the worst motivator ever. His defensive schemes are the most ridiculous things you'll ever see. This franchise has gone downhill since we fired Scott and hired this piece of shit
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No. 2001-2003 the East was brutally weak, leading to the Finals appearances for the Nets. As the East got tougher, Frank kept you in the playoffs, getting almost 50 wins in 05/06 when you were starting a sophomore Krstic and Collins and guys like CRob and Jacque Vaughn were getting playing time. That is overachieving. Things didn't really start to go South until last year when you fielded an even weaker team and traded your captain at the deadline. This year the team sucks and you're still two games off the playoff race. What are you expecting?
 
speeds said:
No. 2001-2003 the East was brutally weak, leading to the Finals appearances for the Nets. As the East got tougher, Frank kept you in the playoffs, getting almost 50 wins in 05/06 when you were starting a sophomore Krstic and Collins and guys like CRob and Jacque Vaughn were getting playing time. That is overachieving. Things didn't really start to go South until last year when you fielded an even weaker team and traded your captain at the deadline. This year the team sucks and you're still two games off the playoff race. What are you expecting?
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Well since they traded RJ for Yi and Simmons... give them some fucking playing time please.
 
AhLian said:
Well since they traded RJ for Yi and Simmons... give them some fucking playing time please.
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Simmons sucks, he's just a walking contract. I don't know about Yi... has he been getting DNP-CD's or has he been injured between January and mid-February? Seems like he was playing a lot in January.
 
speeds said:
Simmons sucks, he's just a walking contract. I don't know about Yi... has he been getting DNP-CD's or has he been injured between January and mid-February? Seems like he was playing a lot in January.
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Yi broke his finger and has just recently returned--quite ahead of schedule, so it is unclear how much he can actually contribute right now.
 
Dumpy said:
Yi broke his finger and has just recently returned--quite ahead of schedule, so it is unclear how much he can actually contribute right now.
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Ok, sounds like there isn't really an issue there, then.
 
Dumpy said:
Yi broke his finger and has just recently returned--quite ahead of schedule, so it is unclear how much he can actually contribute right now.
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Yi was supposed to be out 4-6 weeks, and he came back in 5 weeks. So it was pretty much right on schedule. Watching him since his return, there hasn't been anything he has done to make anyone think he couldn't play more minutes (he doesn't look winded, and it appears that most of his scoring comes late in the minutes that he's been getting...so maybe he needs more minutes to get into a proper rhythm).
 
speeds said:
No. 2001-2003 the East was brutally weak, leading to the Finals appearances for the Nets. As the East got tougher, Frank kept you in the playoffs, getting almost 50 wins in 05/06 when you were starting a sophomore Krstic and Collins and guys like CRob and Jacque Vaughn were getting playing time. That is overachieving. Things didn't really start to go South until last year when you fielded an even weaker team and traded your captain at the deadline. This year the team sucks and you're still two games off the playoff race. What are you expecting?
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Frank was a decent coach for a happy-Jason-Kidd-led-team. Kidd was the leader and field-general, and Frank kept Kidd happy by doing all the pre-game analysis and letting Kidd run the show on the court. Now that Kidd is gone, more responsibility falls to Frank because Carter/Harris are not the leaders/field-generals that Kidd is, and it's up to Frank to set the tone for this team...and he hasn't done it.
 
PhilNYC said:
Frank was a decent coach for a happy-Jason-Kidd-led-team. Kidd was the leader and field-general, and Frank kept Kidd happy by doing all the pre-game analysis and letting Kidd run the show on the court. Now that Kidd is gone, more responsibility falls to Frank because Carter/Harris are not the leaders/field-generals that Kidd is, and it's up to Frank to set the tone for this team...and he hasn't done it.
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Fair enough.
 
PhilNYC said:
Frank was a decent coach for a happy-Jason-Kidd-led-team. Kidd was the leader and field-general, and Frank kept Kidd happy by doing all the pre-game analysis and letting Kidd run the show on the court. Now that Kidd is gone, more responsibility falls to Frank because Carter/Harris are not the leaders/field-generals that Kidd is, and it's up to Frank to set the tone for this team...and he hasn't done it.
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Set the tone? You're talking about a team that basically has 3 holdover players from last year and are virtually starting 2 rookies, picked 10th and 21st. Give me a break.
Frank designed a pretty good offense with a mismatched roster, his team has been showing effort in the 4th (something they didn't do last year), and he's watched his best defensive players go down with injuries one after another.

Why are people so down after the 5 game losing streak? Outside the Wizards game, they were EXPECTED to lose the other games. Hell, they blew out the Nuggets, and that win was more impressive than getting beat by Wizards, against whom they just don't match up well (highly mobile forwards are their weakness since they lack a true defensive forward at the 3)

They haven't been winning recently, but it's not unexpected.
 
Astral said:
Set the tone? You're talking about a team that basically has 3 holdover players from last year and are virtually starting 2 rookies, picked 10th and 21st. Give me a break.
Frank designed a pretty good offense with a mismatched roster, his team has been showing effort in the 4th (something they didn't do last year), and he's watched his best defensive players go down with injuries one after another.
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"Designed an offense"? That's the one thing that Frank hasn't done, even when Kidd was here. His "offensive system" basically has everyone spread out, and let Devin Harris and Vince Carter try to create something on their own. There is no system other than that.

Why are people so down after the 5 game losing streak? Outside the Wizards game, they were EXPECTED to lose the other games. Hell, they blew out the Nuggets, and that win was more impressive than getting beat by Wizards, against whom they just don't match up well (highly mobile forwards are their weakness since they lack a true defensive forward at the 3)

They haven't been winning recently, but it's not unexpected.
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I'm not "down after the 5 game losing streak". I just think that the team will never reach that upper echelon with Frank as the coach...
 
Who would you want to replace him though?

Do you think Avery Johnson would be the right coach because of his relationship with Devin Harris?
 
Shapecity said:
Who would you want to replace him though?

Do you think Avery Johnson would be the right coach because of his relationship with Devin Harris?
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I don't know a lot about Avery Johnson, but he'd certainly be someone to consider. I was also among those who thought bringing back Eddie Jordan would be a good idea. I've always liked Jeff Van Gundy and his defensive mindset, although not sure he'd be the right guy to put in a system with Devin Harris as the PG. The ideal would be someone who has NBA head-coaching experience.
 
Shapecity said:
Who would you want to replace him though?

Do you think Avery Johnson would be the right coach because of his relationship with Devin Harris?
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I'm pretty sure Devin HATES Avery Johnson for not letting him play freely.
 
This team, as constructed, has absolutely no chance of getting out of 1st round of the playoffs, even if Gregg Popovich coached them.

Replacing Frank makes no sense.

I don't think he's gonna win anything big in the next few years, but he's VERY young, and he JUST got out of Kidd's shadow. He's earning respect now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he became an absolutely terrific coach in 3-4 years.
 
Astral said:
This team, as constructed, has absolutely no chance of getting out of 1st round of the playoffs, even if Gregg Popovich coached them.

Replacing Frank makes no sense.

I don't think he's gonna win anything big in the next few years, but he's VERY young, and he JUST got out of Kidd's shadow. He's earning respect now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he became an absolutely terrific coach in 3-4 years.
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He might become a terrific coach in 3-4 years, but wouldn't you want someone who is a terrific coach *now* to develop the young talent the Nets have? Or do you want Devin Harris to burn out trying to carry this team on his shoulders by himself the next 3-4 years waiting for Frank to become a top coach? Rather than just spreading out the team and relying on Harris and Carter to be magicians every night, it would be great if the team could develop a more team-oriented approach. It's *exactly* what the Nets did when they first got Jason Kidd...install the "Princeton" offense that relied heavily on players moving without the ball, moving/passing the ball...and yes, Jason Kidd added the element of defense and the transition game, but it was generally a team of second-tier talent, where nobody was really able to create shots from themselves, but working together they could do it. No one was scoring 30-40 points a night, but 5-6 guys were getting double-digit scoring every game.
 
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