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Almost anyone who can figure out that Aminu/Harkless as a starting front-court is doom itself and that playing an 11 man rotation is grounds for a straight jacket.
I dont get how Harkless’ job seems so safe... I mean maybe its that Ive never thought much of Harkless and Aminu as starting forwards, I like Aminu more than Harkless, but sheesh how have they gone so long without upgrading one of their starters forwards.
 
Because there's this thing called defense.
Harkless’s DPBM for his career is 1, his OPBM is -1 do you know what you get? You cant divide by what you get from harkless (this is a lame joke lol). I know Harkless and Aminu are decent defenders, but its not like either of them are even close to DPoY types, their just “pretty good”, and most of the time their defense doesnt make up for the lack of offense.
Edit: the funny thing is for their career both Aminu and Harkless have BPM that is 0!
I think they are both role players and maybe a contender could start one of them and be fine, but you gotta have more two way players, thus why I think an upgrade at one of the forwards is neccesary.
 
Harkless’s DPBM for his career is 1, his OPBM is -1 do you know what you get? You cant divide by what you get from harkless (this is a lame joke lol). I know Harkless and Aminu are decent defenders, but its not like either of them are even close to DPoY types, their just “pretty good”, and most of the time their defense doesnt make up for the lack of offense.
Edit: the funny thing is for their career both Aminu and Harkless have BPM that is 0!
I think they are both role players and maybe a contender could start one of them and be fine, but you gotta have more two way players, thus why I think an upgrade at one of the forwards is neccesary.
Harkless DBPM is 2.0 this year.

DBPM of 1 > OBPM of 1 when playing next to Dame and CJ.
 
Harkless DBPM is 2.0 this year.

DBPM of 1 > OBPM of 1 when playing next to Dame and CJ.
Gonna be honest, people like to complain about the "two small guards" thing a lot, and sure I have argued why I think there are challenges there, but I think they can still win. It's gonna take a heck of an argument to convince me a championship caliber team should be starting Aminu and Harkless though...
 
Gonna be honest, people like to complain about the "two small guards" thing a lot, and sure I have argued why I think there are challenges there, but I think they can still win. It's gonna take a heck of an argument to convince me a championship caliber team should be starting Aminu and Harkless though...
I think they can still win as well, they just need to have good defenders around them.
 
I think they can still win as well, they just need to have good defenders around them.
I think they need at least one wing who can be consistent on both ends, doesn't need to need to be a star, but it's gotta be someone who can give you 10-15 point (efficiently) on a consistent basis while also playing solid defense, I'm not sure that player is on their team. We've seen a couple stretches from Harkless, but he has been really, really unreliable...
 
I think they need at least one wing who can be consistent on both ends, doesn't need to need to be a star, but it's gotta be someone who can give you 10-15 point (efficiently) on a consistent basis while also playing solid defense, I'm not sure that player is on their team. We've seen a couple stretches from Harkless, but he has been really, really unreliable...
There's not many available. Layman is your best bet.
 
Being that Layman is just now producing I like to think of him as a “recent addition” in a sense

With that in mind, it got me thinking-

What exactly did Olshey give up for all three of our “recent additions” that are contributing nicely?

Layman - cash for a 2nd
Hood - Sauce, Baldwin, was it two 2nds?
Kanter - nothing

This seems good
 
Being that Layman is just now producing I like to think of him as a “recent addition” in a sense

With that in mind, it got me thinking-

What exactly did Olshey give up for all three of our “recent additions” that are contributing nicely?

Layman - cash for a 2nd
Hood - Sauce, Baldwin, was it two 2nds?
Kanter - nothing

This seems good

Okay, im just gonna cut some people off at the pass and play devils advocate.

Turner - $18mill
Leonard - $10 mill
CJ - $20 mill
Harkless - $10 mill
Ezili - $10 mill

These seem bad
 
Well it really hard to have one of your forward average 10-15 points a games when you're guards put up over 40 shots a game sometime and your the forwards playing along side those guards. When our forwards are engaged is when there involved in the offensive end.
 
Okay, im just gonna cut some people off at the pass and play devils advocate.

Turner - $18mill
Leonard - $10 mill
CJ - $20 mill
Harkless - $10 mill
Ezili - $10 mill

These seem bad

Being that Layman is just now producing I like to think of him as a “recent addition” in a sense

With that in mind, it got me thinking-

What exactly did Olshey give up for all three of our “recent additions” that are contributing nicely?

Layman - cash for a 2nd
Hood - Sauce, Baldwin, was it two 2nds?
Kanter - nothing

This seems good

One of these things is not like the others. For (what should be) obvious reasons, let's drop CJ from this discussion.

What you have left are 7 bench players/marginal starters. Of the 3 best players on that list, 2 will be gone for financial (not BASKETBALL) reasons, and Layman is uncertain. Ezili was money for nothing. Leonard is currently our 4th best center. Harkless is a talented flake with a bad motor and a history of lingering injuries. Turner is grossly overpaid at best, and a horrible fit.

Sorry, but I don't agree that a couple of good short-term rentals outweigh the rest. On the contrary - these 7 players make a good case for saying Olshey is a questionable judge of talent and an awful payroll manager.
 
Well it really hard to have one of your forward average 10-15 points a games when you're guards put up over 40 shots a game sometime and your the forwards playing along side those guards. When our forwards are engaged is when there involved in the offensive end.

Yet we see the guards take less shots when they play alongside other players who are scoring. I like Jake coming off the bench, but if he started he would average 15 pts per game. He has been for the last month and a half without starting. Having said that I like the rotation just fine right now. Hark and Aminu don't need to average 15 pts per game for this team to play well. No need for them to force shots, they don't have the game for that.
 
One of these things is not like the others. For (what should be) obvious reasons, let's drop CJ from this discussion.

What you have left are 7 bench players/marginal starters. Of the 3 best players on that list, 2 will be gone for financial (not BASKETBALL) reasons, and Layman is uncertain. Ezili was money for nothing. Leonard is currently our 4th best center. Harkless is a talented flake with a bad motor and a history of lingering injuries. Turner is grossly overpaid at best, and a horrible fit.

Sorry, but I don't agree that a couple of good short-term rentals outweigh the rest. On the contrary - these 7 players make a good case for saying Olshey is a questionable judge of talent and an awful payroll manager.

Can you say with certainty that Paul Allen wasn't the one that made those decissions.? He was very loyal to players.
 
Yet we see the guards take less shots when they play alongside other players who are scoring. I like Jake coming off the bench, but if he started he would average 15 pts per game. He has been for the last month and a half without starting. Having said that I like the rotation just fine right now. Hark and Aminu don't need to average 15 pts per game for this team to play well. No need for them to force shots, they don't have the game for that.
Know they don't need score 15 points a game but they need to be involved in the offensive though. Because when Dame and CJ shoots over 40 shots a game there like 8-17 not very good record.
 
Can you say with certainty that Paul Allen wasn't the one that made those decissions.? He was very loyal to players.

For Crabbe/Leonard it is possible PA was involved. I doubt he had much influence for Ezili and Turner. Harkless...I can't even hazard a guess. He and Vonleh came aboard about the same time, and he didn't seem to mind dumping him. :dunno:

Sometimes I wish the Blazers were a bit more transparent - but that is a debate for another day. :cheers:
 
For Crabbe/Leonard it is possible PA was involved. I doubt he had much influence for Ezili and Turner. Harkless...I can't even hazard a guess. He and Vonleh came aboard about the same time, and he didn't seem to mind dumping him. :dunno:

Sometimes I wish the Blazers were a bit more transparent - but that is a debate for another day. :cheers:

Transparency in sports management lets all the other teams know your plans and intentions as well. Would you consider that good or is it better to keep it closer to your vest?
 
If the Kanter/Hood moves propel us to the Western Conference Finals or further is Olshey executive of the year?
Jesus Lord.....what happened to you FAMS? You're never here and now you think we are going to the finals? JinxSpeed hack your account bro? Miss ya man!
 
If the Kanter/Hood moves propel us to the Western Conference Finals or further is Olshey executive of the year?

Hands Down!

Omg the pure raging coniption fits that would ensue by the olshey haters. Oh man. I might avoid this place for a few days after that annoucement if it comes to fruition!
 
Omg the pure raging coniption fits that would ensue by the olshey haters. Oh man. I might avoid this place for a few days after that annoucement if it comes to fruition!
It would depend, what if Toronto goes to the finals, then it probably wouldnt matter if the Blazers got to the WCF. What if Philly makes it to the finals? I dont like NO but the deadline moves were good ones.
 
Okay, im just gonna cut some people off at the pass and play devils advocate.

Turner - $18mill
Leonard - $10 mill
CJ - $20 mill
Harkless - $10 mill
Ezili - $10 mill

These seem bad

One of these things is not like the others. For (what should be) obvious reasons, let's drop CJ from this discussion.

What you have left are 7 bench players/marginal starters. Of the 3 best players on that list, 2 will be gone for financial (not BASKETBALL) reasons, and Layman is uncertain. Ezili was money for nothing. Leonard is currently our 4th best center. Harkless is a talented flake with a bad motor and a history of lingering injuries. Turner is grossly overpaid at best, and a horrible fit.

Sorry, but I don't agree that a couple of good short-term rentals outweigh the rest. On the contrary - these 7 players make a good case for saying Olshey is a questionable judge of talent and an awful payroll manager.

For the record on still on the fence about him and for the record it isnt just a couple short term moves.
Nurk was a steal.

We now know offering Kanter a max was a visionary move.

Nobody is perfect. Being a gm and player scout Is much the same as being a pro gambler.

Yeah you can know your numbers and odds but if you want to win you have to take chances. When you take chances you are never going to win all the time.
 
Okay, im just gonna cut some people off at the pass and play devils advocate.

Turner - $18mill
Leonard - $10 mill
CJ - $20 mill
Harkless - $10 mill
Ezili - $10 mill

These seem bad
They are. Never said they were not. Nor did I ever say Olshey should be exec of the year. Was simply acknowledging something I saw from a different perspective if I was to lump Layman into the “recent addition” group. That’s it
 
They are. Never said they were not. Nor did I ever say Olshey should be exec of the year. Was simply acknowledging something I saw from a different perspective if I was to lump Layman into the “recent addition” group. That’s it

I agree with you. I was just playing devils advocate. He has had some damn good moves and some not so good moves. Its all in the game of gambling. once people understand that there IS chance involved on several levels, when offering money out to players, no matter how well scouted for potential or proven they may be. Instead, the narrative that any good gm should only make good moves is more often than not the stance of many, it seems.
 
I agree with you. I was just playing devils advocate. He has had some damn good moves and some not so good moves. Its all in the game of gambling. once people understand that there IS chance involved on several levels, when offering money out to players, no matter how well scouted for potential or proven they may be. Instead, the narrative that any good gm should only make good moves is more often than not the stance of many, it seems.

:deadhorse: Even the best GMs make mistakes. Good GMs don't repeat the same mistake and also recognize their mistakes and move promptly to fix them. Look at the roster and draw your own conclusions. Frankly, this whole argument is getting tiresome. At this point. I rather wish the mods would just close the thread. :dunno:
 
:deadhorse: Even the best GMs make mistakes. Good GMs don't repeat the same mistake and also recognize their mistakes and move promptly to fix them. Look at the roster and draw your own conclusions. Frankly, this whole argument is getting tiresome. At this point. I rather wish the mods would just close the thread. :dunno:

Thats the thing though. I dont see him making the same mistakes he did two years ago. I see him making moves to correct those mistakes, just like you advocate a good gm does.
Maybe the opportunity to shed a salary in a trade this deadline simply wasnt available to him without giving up more than what was fair?
But you are right. Tiresome arguement. I shall agree to disagree. :cheers:
 
62 pages and this thread really hasn't gone anywhere. It's kind of like a two year long hate thread with some Around the NBA type things thrown in there.
 
62 pages and this thread really hasn't gone anywhere. It's kind of like a two year long hate thread with some Around the NBA type things thrown in there.
Im gonna disagree, I think its a lot less hateful then it was over the summer. I think most of us think the moves before the trade deadline were good, were excited to watch Nurk become the #2, and well so far the seasons gone pretty good and honestly theyve played better this year then last year up to this point.

At the end of the day all of us (okay most of us) just want the Blazers to be successful, and when they are it lightens our mood quite a bit. Now if they get ousted in the 1st round without a good excuse like an Injury to one of their best players, this threads gonna be a pretty epic meltdown.

I dont dislike NO enough to want the Blazers to lose just so they’ll get rid of him, or I can point my finger and say I was right.
 
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