Zombie Fire Olshey

[blazerkor]

I'm not an Oshley fan, but I think he's probably done about as good as he can with the management restraints placed on him. Overall, I grade him a C- as a GM.

A C- for a fucking decade should get the dude shown the door. We need to be looking for an A level GM.

 

[Thatbpguy]

A C- for a fucking decade should get the dude shown the door. We need to be looking for an A level GM.

Yeah, good luck. "A" GM's are few and far apart. Add to it, we're a location free agents don't want to come to and management have a lot of restraints. Why would a top GM want to be here and work under all that? It's not like we just snap our fingers and A-list GM's come beating our door down. Get real.

First, we need new management dedicated to winning. Then we need a new GM.

 

[Natebishop3]

First, we need new management dedicated to winning. Then we need a new GM.

Bingo. Good to have you back BP.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yeah, good luck. "A" GM's are few and far apart. Add to it, we're a location free agents don't want to come to and management have a lot of restraints. Why would a top GM want to be here and work under all that? It's not like we just snap our fingers and A-list GM's come beating our door down. Get real.

First, we need new management dedicated to winning. Then we need a new GM.

I'm not sure what you mean by new "management" and then a new GM. Neil is the top basketball executive in the organization, so the only change above him could be Jody selling the team. I wouldn't call that a management change.

 

[Thatbpguy]

I'm not sure what you mean by new "management" and then a new GM. Neil is the top basketball executive in the organization, so the only change above him could be Jody selling the team. I wouldn't call that a management change.

I meant a new owner.

Didn't think I needed to spell it out.........

 

[BonesJones]

People are still "enraged"? CJ will be on the team opening night. Just accept it.

 

[e_blazer]

People are still "enraged"? CJ will be on the team opening night. Just accept it.

Psst...don't tell anyone, but I'm actually kind of looking forward to it. CJ is looking ripped these days, has publicly acknowledged that he needs a stronger emphasis on playing defense, and has worked extensively on his three point shot. I'm looking forward to seeing if those changes yield dividends on the court.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

CJ is obviously a very smart guy. That just make it more upsetting when he does something selfish or lazy on the court. I suspect Stotts didn't help the situation, but you can't blame him for everything. CJ just doesn't have Dame's hunger to keep improving.

 

[riverman]

I can see Chauncey moving into the front office one day like Stevens did once his system is in play and I can see Dame buying the franchise when he's ready to retire...so long as we're speculating

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I can see Chauncey moving into the front office one day like Stevens did once his system is in play and I can see Dame buying the franchise when he's ready to retire...so long as we're speculating

I can't see Dame having the money. Even if he has a few years making $50 million. Once he pays taxes, expenses, savings, he wouldn't make much of a dent in the billions needed. Years from now the value to buy maybe $5-10 billion per team.

 

[riverman]

I can't see Dame having the money. Even if he has a few years making $50 million. Once he pays taxes, expenses, savings, he wouldn't make much of a dent in the billions needed. Years from now the value to buy maybe $5-10 billion per team.

The team is valued at something like 1.4 billion now...I think Paul bought it for 88 mil or so? I forget....Dame wouldn't buy it all himself..they'd put together a group...he's got friends with deep pockets and lots of seeds planted that will only grow his financial power..hard to say how much Dame will have when that time comes..

 

[Jelloman]

70 million in 1988.

 

[wizenheimer]

70 million in 1988.

I'd have guessed a lot higher than 9.5% appreciation rate

 

[Natebishop3]

CJ is obviously a very smart guy. That just make it more upsetting when he does something selfish or lazy on the court. I suspect Stotts didn't help the situation, but you can't blame him for everything. CJ just doesn't have Dame's hunger to keep improving.

Dame has also never looked chunky..... can't say the same for CJ.

 

[Duckhook]

 

[SharpesTriumph]

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I'd have guessed a lot higher than 9.5% appreciation rate

Crazy... that's less than the stock market?

Never would have thought NBA team ownership the last 30 years was worse than the stock market.

 

[wizenheimer]

Crazy... that's less than the stock market?

Never would have thought NBA team ownership the last 30 years was worse than the stock market.

if PA bought the Blazers in 1988 for 70M and the franchise is now worth 1.4B (I'm taking the numbers from other posters earlier), that means it has gained 20 times it's original value

the Dow was around 2100 in 1988. It's at about 35,000 today. So that's 17.5 times the value. So, on first glance it was better owning the team. However, we'd have to know if the Moda Center and practice facility are part of that 1.4B, because PA made additional investments in both

 

[SharpesTriumph]

if PA bought the Blazers in 1988 for 70M and the franchise is now worth 1.4B (I'm taking the numbers from other posters earlier), that means it has gained 20 times it's original value

the Dow was around 2100 in 1988. It's at about 35,000 today. So that's 17.5 times the value. So, on first glance it was better owning the team. However, we'd have to know if the Moda Center and practice facility are part of that 1.4B, because PA made additional investments in both

Ok, perhaps owning the team was slightly better than the stock market.

I just thought going from 70 million to 1.4billion would've crushed the stock market. Its crazy how much compound interest builds up!

 

[Tince]

People are still "enraged"? CJ will be on the team opening night. Just accept it.

People certainly shouldn't be surprised. I would expect people to "just accept" Olshey/CJ the same way they did Stotts returning year after year. For some, that was difficult.

Personally I'm far from shocked or enraged, though I would have like to have seen the GM-bro make a significant upgrade this summer.

 

[BonesJones]

People certainly shouldn't be surprised. I would expect people to "just accept" Olshey/CJ the same way they did Stotts returning year after year. For some, that was difficult.

Personally I'm far from shocked or enraged, though I would have like to have seen the GM-bro make a significant upgrade this summer.

Always something like this. Rent free.

 

[Tince]

Always something like this. Rent free.

Just making sure we're applying things consistently around here! You have to admit, of all people to be preaching others should accept an outcome they don't like, it's kinda rich.

 

[BonesJones]

Just making sure we're applying things consistently around here! You have to admit, of all people to be preaching others should accept an outcome they don't like, it's kinda rich.

Did you hear me ranting about Stotts last September? Nope. I gave him a chance going into the season and wasn't attacking him personally. What I criticized him for I could actually see with my eyes. Apples to oranges. As I said, rent free.

 

[Hoopguru]

if PA bought the Blazers in 1988 for 70M and the franchise is now worth 1.4B (I'm taking the numbers from other posters earlier), that means it has gained 20 times it's original value

the Dow was around 2100 in 1988. It's at about 35,000 today. So that's 17.5 times the value. So, on first glance it was better owning the team. However, we'd have to know if the Moda Center and practice facility are part of that 1.4B, because PA made additional investments in both

yeah regardless of interest rate the true interest paid after the duration of the loan is a crazy number as compared to the sell price.

 

[Tince]

Did you hear me ranting about Stotts last September? Nope. I gave him a chance going into the season and wasn't attacking him personally. What I criticized him for I could actually see with my eyes. Apples to oranges. As I said, rent free.

Pretty sure you were critizing him a month before last season and still talk about him now even though he's gone. Which is perfectly your right, but if you don't see the irony in suggesting other accepting what they don't like, I don't know what to tell you.

If people are attacking Olshey, CJ, or Stotts on a personal level, I would agree that's silly. As far as things I can see with my own eyes: CJ is a not a legit #2, so I will continue to critize Olshey for this because I want this team to have a chance to contend so Dame is more open to staying.

Anyway, we all get called out on this board if our posts are inconisistent (myself included) and I didn't think it would ruffle your feathers; I thought you'd be able to laugh with it. Please accept my apology.

 

[wizenheimer]

Anyway, we all get called out on this board if our posts are inconisistent (myself included) and I didn't think it would ruffle your feathers.

 

[BonesJones]

Pretty sure you were critizing him a month before last season and still talk about him now even though he's gone. Which is perfectly your right, but if you don't see the irony in suggesting other accepting what they don't like, I don't know what to tell you.

If people are attacking Olshey, CJ, or Stotts on a personal level, I would agree that's silly. As far as things I can see with my own eyes: CJ is a not a legit #2, so I will continue to critize Olshey for this because I want this team to have a chance to contend so Dame is more open to staying.

Anyway, we all get called out on this board if our posts are inconisistent (myself included) and I didn't think it would ruffle your feathers; I thought you'd be able to laugh with it. Please accept my apology.

I mean yeah, nobody's posts are 100% inconsistent. I genuinely gave Stotts a charge though.

The difference for me is that Olsheys pretty much made his bed, whereas Stotts could've switched things up whenever he pleased.

I just want to be able to conversate or disagree with you without feeling like it's a "You liked Stotts" vs. "You didn't like Stotts" sort of battle since we're past that.

 

[Tince]

I mean yeah, nobody's posts are 100% inconsistent. I genuinely gave Stotts a charge though.

The difference for me is that Olsheys pretty much made his bed, whereas Stotts could've switched things up whenever he pleased.

I just want to be able to conversate or disagree with you without feeling like it's a "You liked Stotts" vs. "You didn't like Stotts" sort of battle since we're past that.

As I've stated before, I have zero issues with you personally. I take you at your word that you gave Stotts a chance, but you must admit you belabored his short-comings for years (some of which I agreed with you on), which is what prompted my response when you suggested people except the shortcomings of Olshey (or CJ).

While I think Olshey has much more control of the teams shortcomings than any coach does, I have ZERO issue with you being ok with rolling back the same starting 5 we ended last season with. I'm not ok with it, which I've explained already, but that's what makes this community better than most: It's not one big echo chamber.

I probably won't stop pointing out if I notice you contradict a previous stance you had and I'm 100% ok if you or anyone else does the same to me. I will also continue to try and not make it personal because like you, I want to be able to agree/disagree about hoops and nothing else

 

[Natebishop3]

I mean yeah, nobody's posts are 100% inconsistent. I genuinely gave Stotts a charge though.

The difference for me is that Olsheys pretty much made his bed, whereas Stotts could've switched things up whenever he pleased.

I just want to be able to conversate or disagree with you without feeling like it's a "You liked Stotts" vs. "You didn't like Stotts" sort of battle since we're past that.

I feel like I have given Neil a chance.... for 9 years. Same as Stotts.

I get it, we haven't seen Dame/CJ under a different coach. Maybe they'll change their spots. I'm skeptical. CJ is gonna CJ. Dame is gonna Dame. If it was really the coach, would Dame have looked like complete ass on defense in the Olympics? He was basically benched because he couldn't defend. I don't think Billups is going to change that. At least not overnight. Maybe not in a season. We don't have a ton of time to figure this out. If Stotts had been fired several years ago after the Pels series, maybe we could have taken the time to try to make this work, but that ship has sailed. Dame is getting old, his patience is wearing thin, and this is not the time to try to make this work.

CJ needs to go and Neil won't do it.

 

[wizenheimer]

I feel like I have given Neil a chance.... for 9 years. Same as Stotts.

I get it, we haven't seen Dame/CJ under a different coach. Maybe they'll change their spots. I'm skeptical. CJ is gonna CJ. Dame is gonna Dame. If it was really the coach, would Dame have looked like complete ass on defense in the Olympics? He was basically benched because he couldn't defend. I don't think Billups is going to change that. At least not overnight. Maybe not in a season. We don't have a ton of time to figure this out. If Stotts had been fired several years ago after the Pels series, maybe we could have taken the time to try to make this work, but that ship has sailed. Dame is getting old, his patience is wearing thin, and this is not the time to try to make this work.

CJ needs to go and Neil won't do it.

I think most of Dame's issues in the Olympics were because of his abdominal injury

 

[blazerkor]

I feel like I have given Neil a chance.... for 9 years. Same as Stotts.

I get it, we haven't seen Dame/CJ under a different coach. Maybe they'll change their spots. I'm skeptical. CJ is gonna CJ. Dame is gonna Dame. If it was really the coach, would Dame have looked like complete ass on defense in the Olympics? He was basically benched because he couldn't defend. I don't think Billups is going to change that. At least not overnight. Maybe not in a season. We don't have a ton of time to figure this out. If Stotts had been fired several years ago after the Pels series, maybe we could have taken the time to try to make this work, but that ship has sailed. Dame is getting old, his patience is wearing thin, and this is not the time to try to make this work.

CJ needs to go and Neil won't do it.

This might just be echoing what you just said and I'm surely belaboring a point I've made far too many times but if Stotts was the problem, why in the fuck does Neil get a pass for keeping him for 9 seasons? I just don't get that. Obviously I've wanted CJ traded for a long long time now and never thought a Dame/CJ back court made sense but I know I differ with @BonesJones on that one.

The good news for some in here is that it's looking more and more like you'll get to see if it was just Terry Stotts holding this roster back or if the roster had a lot to do with the mediocrity as well. The thing that will never make any sense is that when Neil said that Stotts was the problem that Neil wasn't fired on the spot for supporting the problem for 9 fucking years.