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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
    154
calvin natt said:
I was there, in person, when PJ got choked by Spree because he wasn’t practicing well and throwing the ball all over the fucking gym. That’s an extreme example but that’s what these coaches deal with. Almost any other coach would have let him have a bad practice. Or a day off. PJ wasn’t wired like that. And got choked the fuck out.
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Carlesimo was a motormouth jerk hated by many of his players like Rod Strickland, screaming elementary fundamentals that are more relativistic among experienced players. I watched the narcissist in interviews, unable to shut up. Sprewell was the one who wouldn't take it.
 
jlprk said:
Carlesimo was a motormouth jerk hated by many of his players like Rod Strickland, screaming elementary fundamentals that are more relativistic among experienced players. I watched the narcissist in interviews, unable to shut up. Sprewell was the one who wouldn't take it.
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ok
 
Reading all this stuff about players' coaches reminds me of a women's college coach I crossed paths with decades ago.

Just big control freak. One of her players quit the team almost immediately because she was given a hard time for dating a player on the men's team.

She didn't just do it with players either. She was just nasty with anyone she thought had to put up with her. I finally told her off. Heard around the athletic offices it caused her to go into a frantic tizzy and was the source of much amusement. But it was a weird attitude for a small DI basketball coach, albeit a gifted one. Very Bobby Knight like but without nearly his cache.

Guys who worked with me razzed me about her. She parlayed her small college success into the head job at Washington State. Couple of years in, I guess the team mutinied on her. The players confirmed all the stuff I'd said.

Anyway, she got the boot and I don't think she got another coaching job again. Last I heard she was living in Colorado working in gardening.
 
calvin natt said:
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Imagine the nonstop Bill Walton, but instead of saying nice thoughts about glowing galaxies, he's screaming at you for all eternity to shape up to the Seton Hall freshman level.
 
illmatic99 said:
I actually really like Borrego from Charlotte. He has their team close to top 10 on defense without any stoppers per se.
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Then sir, that is where we differ. @THE HCP could give a fuck about where we "rank" anywhere in any category. I'll take dead last in defense and being .571% in the west than a top 10 defensive team and .455% in the east.
 
wizenheimer said:
but you're not making neutral posts. Neutral doesn't incessantly push back against negative, which is what you've been doing

I think I'm a lot more neutral on Stotts than you are. I think he's had 9 seasons of flawed rosters, and I spent several of those seasons, fairly ambivalent about retaining Stotts...or firing him. Mainly because I think Olshey should be the first firing. But I'm convinced the Blazers need major changes; and that the players, especially Dame, need to be taken out of the comfort zones they've developed under Stotts because those comfort zone have created bad habits and low accountability
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Once again, I'm pushing back on people simply putting all the blame on Stotts is all.
 
wizenheimer said:
we're quibbling about the trivial here, but I disagree. Again, HCP has been all over this forum pushing hard, in thread after thread, against people criticizing Stotts. That's not neutral. Neutral wouldn't care about a majority position. How often have you seen me post in this thread?

neutral wouldn't care if Stotts was fired
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Does HCP care if Stotts was fired? I haven't gotten that impression.

And yeah, we disagree on what "neutral" means. You seem to think it means "not interested in discussing it." I think it means "not strongly wedded to either side of the issue." I think HCP is neutral by my conception of the word--I don't think he's strongly on the pro- or anti-Stotts side. I'm in the same boat--it doesn't much matter to me if Stotts remains coach, but I still see takes I disagree with.
 
wizenheimer said:
but you're not making neutral posts. Neutral doesn't incessantly push back against negative, which is what you've been doing

I think I'm a lot more neutral on Stotts than you are. I think he's had 9 seasons of flawed rosters, and I spent several of those seasons, fairly ambivalent about retaining Stotts...or firing him. Mainly because I think Olshey should be the first firing. But I'm convinced the Blazers need major changes; and that the players, especially Dame, need to be taken out of the comfort zones they've developed under Stotts because those comfort zone have created bad habits and low accountability
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The only think I wouldn't like about Stotts getting fired is a friend of my is out of a job. I was close with Monty Williams and Canales, Billy Bano and more, but I would understand it's a business.
 
And for fucks sake...... it's @THE HCP not HCP!
We should all know this by now.
 
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THE HCP said:
The only think I wouldn't like about Stotts getting fired is a friend of my is out of a job. I was close with Monty Williams and Canales, Billy Bano and more, but I would understand it's a business.
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Terry would get another job. Even if not a head coaching job, definitely as an assistant. I'm not worried about him at all.
 
If I take out some of the words, the tweet reads:

Portland, parted ways, head, NBA coach, Terry.
 
calvin natt said:
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Can't the Blazers find a job for him? Hersey Hawkins was a great shooter and has shagged balls in our practices for years. Could Terry Porter wash the towels or something in the locker room?
 
riverman said:
I'd prefer he washed them in a washing machine
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JDC said:
Passes Made: Tonight (255) Sesason Avg. (250)
Potential Assists: Tonight (39) Season (42.3)
Seconds Per Touch: Tonight (3.55) Season (3.48)

Touches were obviously spread more evenly and it was nice to see Gary and Rodney get more opportunities run more pnr and use the off ball actions we see every night to score rather than as misdirection / movement to set up Dame ball screens...but watching this game our offensive success still had more to do with a good night shooting (26/56 on contested shots) with their lack of size on the wing and conservative scheme with Embiid laying back than anything we did differently stylistically or scheme wise. The offensive rebounding was a huge help as well.

Defensively, I thought the energy and focus was definitely more consistent than we've seen, but their lack of perimeter / pnr threats (just overall speed on the ball) and playing through Embiid allowed us to use our size and limited the scramble situations that we've had such a hard time dealing with this year.

TLDR - So maybe Stotts still sucks or is just ok depending on your view of things?
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Stotts said it himself: He ran more plays and the sets he ran were more movement based instead of depending solely on pick n roll. There was a lot of possessions with really good movement, and some where they attacked a mismatch in the post. He had "poor defenders" executing simple defensive concepts. Even when we had to scramble, we did a much better job of it.

The whole point is that he's not incapable due to injuries, that this roster isnt incapable of having good defensive games, and that altering the offensive gameplan towards movement is for the better.
 
Our bottom of the bench has one thing going...these guys practice together often..they have some chemistry.....when you take one of them and put them with the starters the chemistry isn't the same...they will defer to Dame and CJ all the time....together...they know their spots with the second or third unit
 
JDC said:
Passes Made: Tonight (255) Sesason Avg. (250)
Potential Assists: Tonight (39) Season (42.3)
Seconds Per Touch: Tonight (3.55) Season (3.48)

TLDR - So maybe Stotts still sucks or is just ok depending on your view of things?
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This is a great use of data and I'm not surprised the numbers were similar.

Had Philly made their open 3's, we shot 25% from behind the line, and we lost; we'd be talking about the same "issues" some people have with the offense. We hit our 3's, Philly did not, and we were fantastic on offensive rebounds. It was fun!
 
Tince said:
This is a great use of data and I'm not surprised the numbers were similar.

Had Philly made their open 3's, we shot 25% from behind the line, and we lost; we'd be talking about the same "issues" some people have with the offense. We hit our 3's, Philly did not, and we were fantastic on offensive rebounds. It was fun!
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Thing is, Philly missed a lot of threes because we contested them much better than usual. We also did a better job of running them off of the 3pt line. Pretty simple.

Nothing about this is results-based, it's process based. Stop trying to apply hypothetical results to what people "would" say.
 
BonesJones said:
Thing is, Philly missed a lot of threes because we contested them much better than usual. We also did a better job of running them off of the 3pt line. Pretty simple.

Nothing about this is results-based, it's process based. Stop trying to apply hypothetical results to what people "would" say.
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You could be right... What are the numbers on % of contested attempts given up last night compared to our average?
 
BonesJones said:
Stotts said it himself: He ran more plays and the sets he ran were more movement based instead of depending solely on pick n roll. There was a lot of possessions with really good movement, and some where they attacked a mismatch in the post. He had "poor defenders" executing simple defensive concepts. Even when we had to scramble, we did a much better job of it.

The whole point is that he's not incapable due to injuries, that this roster isnt incapable of having good defensive games, and that altering the offensive gameplan towards movement is for the better.
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Dame is playing tomorrow let's see if we see the same movement. Not knocking Dame but it seems he going to play one way and will Stotts hold him if there know movement accountable.
 
jlprk said:
Can't the Blazers find a job for him? Hersey Hawkins was a great shooter and has shagged balls in our practices for years. Could Terry Porter wash the towels or something in the locker room?
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No offense to Lamar but I think that job might be a good one for him or an in studio analyst.
 
blazerkor said:
No offense to Lamar but I think that job might be a good one for him or an in studio analyst.
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In studio analyst maybe. He's not the smoothest of talkers. Lamar is already ahead in that department.
 
Tince said:
You could be right... What are the numbers on % of contested attempts given up last night compared to our average?
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NBA's hustle stats had 85.2% (23/27) as contested vs 64.2% on the season. Watched the attempts back too and Elleby definitely stood out. His closes were great.

On the other hand, the tracking data had the Sixers 1/11 on 3's classified as wide open (4-6 feet from closest defender).
 
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