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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
    154
Whatever this “Papag” is sure seems to rile some people up. What the heck? This Nate Guy can’t stop posting it.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
This is about how Brad Stevens is Terry Stotts but with multiple All-Stars in the East over seven years instead of just one like Stotts has.

Stevens will likely be fired after this year. Stotts May too, but with a better record in a more difficult conference.
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Oh? This is a bunch of people bashing the coaching of a team they dont watch, to try to discredit the criticism of Stotts' coaching that comes from those who do watch? Interesting tactic.

The Celtics have lost a lot of close games. Without Dame being the clutchest player in the league, and with them playing average in the clutch, we'd be worse while playing against an easier schedule.

So the difference comes down to a very small amount of possessions and Dame being insane. This is why basing coaching off of a simple win-loss record is ridiculous.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
Whatever this “Papag” is sure seems to rile some people up. What the heck? This Nate Guy can’t stop posting it.
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Don't even worry about it. Sometimes we see PapaGs everywhere. He was a martyr for the cause--an independent thinker who was persecuted for not always sticking to the majority line, both in terms of basketball and politics. He also really loved the shrug smiley on this website, which you do not appear to, so clearly you cannot be the same gentleman. Too bad, he was a legend.
 
BonesJones said:
Oh? This is a bunch of people bashing the coaching of a team they dont watch, to try to discredit the criticism of Stotts' coaching that comes from those who do watch? Interesting tactic.

The Celtics have lost a lot of close games. Without Dame being the clutchest player in the league, and with them playing average in the clutch, we'd be worse while playing against an easier schedule.

So the difference comes down to a very small amount of possessions and Dame being insane. This is why basing coaching off of a simple win-loss record is ridiculous.
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What do you attribute our clutch time defense being Top 10 to? Dame as well?

I totally agree on your last statement by the way.
 
BonesJones said:
Oh? This is a bunch of people bashing the coaching of a team they dont watch, to try to discredit the criticism of Stotts' coaching that comes from those who do watch? Interesting tactic.

The Celtics have lost a lot of close games. Without Dame being the clutchest player in the league, and with them playing average in the clutch, we'd be worse while playing against an easier schedule.

So the difference comes down to a very small amount of possessions and Dame being insane. This is why basing coaching off of a simple win-loss record is ridiculous.
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This is where I lose people. The Celtics aren’t that bad/ as bad as their record shows because they’ve lost a lot of close games, can’t blame Brad Stevens for that. The Blazers win close games because of Lillard, can’t credit Stotts for that. It all feels like cherry picking. Stevens has more all star level players and yet can’t win more this year. By the way I think Stevens is a great coach. (UNC should hire him). I only brought this up because fans have their heads down and don’t follow other teams, like we have the worst coach in the universe when so called great coaches are getting roasted every day, like Boston.
 
e_blazer said:
Yeah, he’s kind of a dumb shit that way, but then so were the other 13 guys who didn’t pick Giannis. Anthony Bennett, now there’s a pick that isn’t good for a GM’s career.
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you were the one that said a small market team needed to strike gold on two draft picks, one of them a big. That draft was Portland's franchise opportunity. Dame/Giannis would make for a true contender. I'm not sure there would be a better elite partner for Dame than Giannis. Maybe Lebron

I don't really care that other GM's blew the same chance Olshey had. It still means he blew it. The Milwaukee GM didn't. Portland had an opportunity in the 2012 & 2013 drafts to have Dame, Giannis, and Gobert. Whether or not they could have afforded all three by this point in times is a valid question. But that's certainly a trio that could have brought some rings to Portland

Portland could also have Donovan Mitchell or Bam Adebayo. Bam would really be nice in the Blazer front court
 
Tince said:
What do you attribute our clutch time defense being Top 10 to? Dame as well?

I totally agree on your last statement by the way.
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What do I attribute Dame being clutch to? Not Stotts...
 
maxiep said:
Is this tread still going on? I guess it will until Stotts leaves. Then the same poster will immediately start a new thread demanding the new coach be fired.
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Haha what makes you think I'd be unhappy with an upgrade over Stotts? That's some random conjecture if I've ever seen it.
 
BonesJones said:
What do I attribute Dame being clutch to? Not Stotts...
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My question was what do you attribute our clutch time DEFENSE being top 10?

Seems odd to me its significantly better and I have a hard time giving that credit to Dame.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
Seems unhealthy to me and the guy spends his entire day here letting a basketball team impact him and likely his personal life.
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Seems unhealthy to me that you are spending your energy thinking about another poster's personal life, instead of about basketball...
 
Tince said:
My question was what do you attribute our clutch time DEFENSE being top 10?

Seems odd to me its significantly better and I have a hard time giving that credit to Dame.
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Actually. The players give a lot of credit to the knowledge that they have Dame on the court so they are always in a game.

So, there's that. I don't remember which exact players said it.. but it has been said.
 
wizenheimer said:
you were the one that said a small market team needed to strike gold on two draft picks, one of them a big. That draft was Portland's franchise opportunity. Dame/Giannis would make for a true contender. I'm not sure there would be a better elite partner for Dame than Giannis. Maybe Lebron

I don't really care that other GM's blew the same chance Olshey had. It still means he blew it. The Milwaukee GM didn't. Portland had an opportunity in the 2012 & 2013 drafts to have Dame, Giannis, and Gobert. Whether or not they could have afforded all three by this point in times is a valid question. But that's certainly a trio that could have brought some rings to Portland

Portland could also have Donovan Mitchell or Bam Adebayo. Bam would really be nice in the Blazer front court
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Okay, I certainly agree that Dame/Giannis would be pretty sweet. I have a hard time saying that Olshey blew that draft given that, IMO, he managed to use the 10th pick to get the player who I believe has turned out to be the best of the guys taken in the top 10 of the 2013 draft. NBAdraft.net's analysis for the 2013 draft listed Nic Batum as a comparable to Giannis: https://www.nbadraft.net/players/giannis-adetokoubo/ That seems pretty funny now, but it shows how much any draft is a gamble. Taking a flyer on a prospect with upside when you've got the 15th pick is a pretty smart move. Taking that same prospect with the 10th pick isn't a smart play at the time, no matter terrific it would look in hindsight. If Olshey had perceived that Giannis was worth a risk, the smart play would have been to try to trade down to get the 15th pick and maybe gain another asset from Milwaukee for giving them the honor of getting a more certain guy like CJ. As it was in the moment of the draft, there was probably a greater chance that CJ would become the next Curry or Lillard than there was that Giannis would become the dominant monster that he has. There are late picks in every draft that end up making GMs with top draft picks look stupid. It would be nice to get a GM-god instead of the flawed GMs that actually occupy those positions. Omniscience to know what every pick will become and omnipotence to get other GMs to play along with your decisions would be really handy attributes for a GM.
 
Strenuus said:
Actually. The players give a lot of credit to the knowledge that they have Dame on the court so they are always in a game.

So, there's that. I don't remember which exact players said it.. but it has been said.
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He's made some nice plays late in a couple games. Doesn't seem like enough to make a 20 place jump in the defensive ratings. That would imply he's dogging it super hard all game unless it's close late, which would be 100% off brand for Dame.
 
e_blazer said:
Okay, I certainly agree that Dame/Giannis would be pretty sweet. I have a hard time saying that Olshey blew that draft
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the "blowing the draft" was in the context of the discussion we were having about how the Blazers could have found a 2nd elite player to pair with Dame. As we were saying, the chances, in the draft, to add two elite players are far and few between. Like one every 25 years. That 2013 draft was Portland's opportunity. Successive drafts with the chance of adding Dame and Giannis (and Gobert). It doesn't matter to me how many other GM's screwed up on Giannis. That was Portland's big opportunity to have a contender, and they missed.

all the defenses of Olshey I've read plenty of times before. I don't hate him as Portland's GM for one decision. But for a couple dozen decisions. Those outweigh the tsunami of excuses he's always surfing on
 
wizenheimer said:
the "blowing the draft" was in the context of the discussion we were having about how the Blazers could have found a 2nd elite player to pair with Dame. As we were saying, the chances, in the draft, to add two elite players are far and few between. Like one every 25 years. That 2013 draft was Portland's opportunity. Successive drafts with the chance of adding Dame and Giannis (and Gobert). It doesn't matter to me how many other GM's screwed up on Giannis. That was Portland's big opportunity to have a contender, and they missed.

all the defenses of Olshey I've read plenty of times before. I don't hate him as Portland's GM for one decision. But for a couple dozen decisions. Those outweigh the tsunami of excuses he's always surfing on
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I'd rather have a healthy Nurk than either Gobert or Adebayo, but that's just me.
 
e_blazer said:
I'd rather have a healthy Nurk than either Gobert or Adebayo, but that's just me.
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sorry, can't agree. Gobert is a two time DPOY who doesn't throw up useless shit around the rim. And Adebayo is better on both ends of the floor than Nurk, especially in his ability to go out on the perimeter and defend. he's a perfect C in small ball lineups and would be the front court passer Portland desperately needs

beside, 'healthy Nurkic' is as elusive as bigfoot
 
I want Stotts canned, but I don't have any intense emotions about it - he's a great guy, and a welcome member of the community.

It's not emotion, it's simple logic. Defense wins championships, and we have what's probably the 2nd worst defense of all time. What we don't have is a collection of the 2nd worst defenders of all time. So, that's on the coach.

Bad Analogy:
A company has a CEO who everyone loves, including the owner. However, the company loses $$ every quarter. After years of losing $$$, the CEO must be let go, regardless of anyone's feelings.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I want Stotts canned, but I don't have any intense emotions about it - he's a great guy, and a welcome member of the community.

It's not emotion, it's simple logic. Defense wins championships, and we have what's probably the 2nd worst defense of all time. What we don't have is a collection of the 2nd worst defenders of all time. So, that's on the coach.

Bad Analogy:
A company has a CEO who everyone loves, including the owner. However, the company loses $$ every quarter. After years of losing $$$, the CEO must be let go, regardless of anyone's feelings.
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There is no reason for our defense to be as bad as it is. The main issue is effort. The second issue is Stotts sure loves to play all his bad defenders at the same time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There is no reason for our defense to be as bad as it is. The main issue is effort. The second issue is Stotts sure loves to play all his bad defenders at the same time.
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Absolutely.

Change must happen, the situation is intolerable. So, you either
1) change the coach, or
2) change the personnel

As the funny chart showed, Neil brought in 2 of the better defenders in the league in the offseason, so it's up to the coach.
 
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