For those of you who value analytics, Anfernee Simons is having one of the worst seasons of all time

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Strenuus said:
Honestly, its hard to care about any of this until the pandemic is over.
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Interesting. Sports have been played through tough times before. It’s helpful to see our heroes stand up to play again. It lets us see that we will get through this. Remember how happy you were after OKC game 5? You said it was the best day of your life. That matters.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
He commands a double team. Defends well in isolation. Above average three point shooter. And one of the most clutch players ever, as we saw when he hit the game winner against Toronto. So yeah, he’s at LEAST decent.
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He does not command a double team, nor does he defend well in isolation...

One shot in one game? Meh.

3pt shooting is his only above average attribute.
 
BonesJones said:
He does not command a double team, nor does he defend well in isolation...

One shot in one game? Meh.

3pt shooting is his only above average attribute.
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He was double teamed in the post all season and players shoot less than 40% against him isolation. Also he won Player of the Week. That makes him at least decent. And that one shot in one game may be the difference on making playoffs.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
He was double teamed in the post all season and players shoot less than 40% against him isolation. Also he won Player of the Week. That makes him at least decent. And that one shot in one game may be the difference on making playoffs.
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You have some selective memory. You should link those stats as well.

One of his defensive miscues in a close game could be the difference in making the playoffs. Anything can. We've lost games when he's shot poorly.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Interesting. Sports have been played through tough times before. It’s helpful to see our heroes stand up to play again. It lets us see that we will get through this. Remember how happy you were after OKC game 5? You said it was the best day of your life. That matters.
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Yeah, but we werent going through something as important as this.

Sorry, just more important things to worry about that sports unfortunatetly cant distract from.
 
Strenuus said:
Yeah, but we werent going through something as important as this.

Sorry, just more important things to worry about that sports unfortunatetly cant distract from.
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Sports went on during the Vietnam war. Sports happened the week JFK was shot. Sports went on after 9/11. There’s a whole section in the newspaper about sports. They’re important. Also, “worrying” about COVID doesn’t solve anything. Just stay socially distanced and wear a mask.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
He commands a double team. Defends well in isolation. Above average three point shooter. And one of the most clutch players ever, as we saw when he hit the game winner against Toronto. So yeah, he’s at LEAST decent.
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Last scoring efficiency of Blazer starters past and present (TS%)
.641 - Whiteside
.625 - Hood
.619 - Lillard
.570 - Nurk
.568 - Aminu (good year for him but not luck - he simply changed his shot selection taking 60% more shots from 0-3 getting fouled to boot).
.547 - Harkless (bad year, .596, .570 prior years)
.543 - C.J.
.517 - Carmelo

That's horrific. Carmelo has a 7% assist rate, same as Aminu, Harkless, Hood, and 1% better than Hassan. Not like he's hitting the open man from double teams.
C.J. gets hammered by many Blazer fans as inefficient. What does that make Carmelo? And C.J. has 2.5x the assist rate.
 
Carmelo’s 3pt% this season is his best since 2014.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Sports went on during the Vietnam war. Sports happened the week JFK was shot. Sports went on after 9/11. There’s a whole section in the newspaper about sports. They’re important. Also, “worrying” about COVID doesn’t solve anything. Just stay socially distanced and wear a mask.
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Im not "worried" about it, but i do work in a field where i have to be diligent and mindful of all I do.

Im not arguing, though, Eric. Im also not comparing a pandemic to a war. Im simplu stating that right now arguing about how a particular guy on our team is doing doesnt seem to be worth the effort. We can agree to disagree.
 
bobf said:
Last scoring efficiency of Blazer starters past and present (TS%)
.641 - Whiteside
.625 - Hood
.619 - Lillard
.570 - Nurk
.568 - Aminu (good year for him but not luck - he simply changed his shot selection taking 60% more shots from 0-3 getting fouled to boot).
.547 - Harkless (bad year, .596, .570 prior years)
.543 - C.J.
.517 - Carmelo

That's horrific. Carmelo has a 7% assist rate, same as Aminu, Harkless, Hood, and 1% better than Hassan. Not like he's hitting the open man from double teams.
C.J. gets hammered by many Blazer fans as inefficient. What does that make Carmelo? And C.J. has 2.5x the assist rate.
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Melo and CJ at the bottom of that list...SMH. And on many nights, they were taking the 2nd and 3rd most shots. Ugh.
 
Strenuus said:
Yeah, but we werent going through something as important as this.

Sorry, just more important things to worry about that sports unfortunatetly cant distract from.
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why worry about what you cant control? vote your ideals, make your surroundings the best you can, be safe and cautious, stand up for what you believe is right and the rest is uncontrollable and a waste of emotions.

Basketball is a nice breath of fresh air i na rather stagnant time for me. Said that to a friends just the other day.
Baseball was Americas reprieve during the wars. basketball can be that during a pandemic.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
One of Anfernee's worst problems is, I think, his attitude. He seems to get down on himself very easily. This is good in moderation (otherwise you're JR Smith or Dion Waiters) but I think he tightens up. Maybe the problem is thinking he's going to get yanked. People forget but he was pretty terrible at the start of that one game against the Kings (that artificially raised our hopes), but the fact that there was literally nobody on the bench to take his place allowed him to settle in for the comeback. I'd honestly like it if Dame and CJ sat out one of the scrimmages.
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I DIDN'T MEAN IT!!!!
 
But you might be right. Maybe Stotts is thinking, "Damn, we got to get this kid going". "We need something out of him".
 
Well Ant finally had a good game. I feel like Ant plays better when he’s running the show, dominating the offense, creating, making things happen. He hasn’t functioned well playing second fiddle to Dame or CJ. I’ve seen Ant be a good passer and facilitator. He’s got it in him when his shot is falling and his confidence is high.

Go Ant!
 
bobf said:
Well Ant finally had a good game. I feel like Ant plays better when he’s running the show, dominating the offense, creating, making things happen. He hasn’t functioned well playing second fiddle to Dame or CJ. I’ve seen Ant be a good passer and facilitator. He’s got it in him when his shot is falling and his confidence is high.

Go Ant!
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Now: what team wants to offer us something for him so they can give him the role that will allow him to flourish? Is Dale Davis available?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Now: what team wants to offer us something for him so they can give him the role that will allow him to flourish? Is Dale Davis available?
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Exactly. It would be stupid to dump him for a vet who is passed his prime. Drazen was another example.

News flash, young players struggle in general, but they especially struggle with their shooting when they don't get touches, and when they come off the bench. They just aren't used to it. Only experience will help, but they can't get experience when they don't deserve it so you just have to wait until they do..... or you lose out on the investment you already put into them.

It will only get worse when they start drafting kids again right out of HS. I think the teams understand this and can prepare for it. It's that small group of fans who can't seem to grasp it.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Exactly. It would be stupid to dump him for a vet who is passed his prime. Drazen was another example.

News flash, young players struggle in general, but they especially struggle with their shooting when they don't get touches, and when they come off the bench. They just aren't used to it. Only experience will help, but they can't get experience when they don't deserve it so you just have to wait until they do..... or you lose out on the investment you already put into them.

It will only get worse when they start drafting kids again right out of HS. I think the teams understand this and can prepare for it. It's that small group of fans who can't seem to grasp it.
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I was joking about Dale Davis - I actually think trading Ant is a good idea - we need a talent upgrade RIGHT NOW to avoid wasting Dame's few remaining peak years and Ant may be the one thing close to an expendable asset we have. I see him like Zach Lavine in Minny, and they got Jimmy Butler out of him. Something like that would be great.

(Dale Davis SHOULD've been good. But of course, what we really should've done is fired Dunleavy, let Brian Grant go for nothing (rather than Shawn Kemp) and minutes for Jermaine would've opened up. )
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I was joking about Dale Davis - I actually think trading Ant is a good idea - we need a talent upgrade RIGHT NOW to avoid wasting Dame's few remaining peak years and Ant may be the one thing close to an expendable asset we have. I see him like Zach Lavine in Minny, and they got Jimmy Butler out of him. Something like that would be great.

(Dale Davis SHOULD've been good. But of course, what we really should've done is fired Dunleavy, let Brian Grant go for nothing (rather than Shawn Kemp) and minutes for Jermaine would've opened up. )
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I think Dale was past his prime when we got him at 31. He was decent but not better than JO after one year.
Walter Davis was 36 when we got him for Petro. Worthless move by Petrie

But yes Jimmy Butler is a different story altogether.
 
would you consider a Ant for Justin Jackson trade?
I like Jackson on the wing and he's got a chance at being a decent 3&D.
 
Hoopguru said:
would you consider a Ant for Justin Jackson trade?
I like Jackson on the wing and he's got a chance at being a decent 3&D.
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Probably not. Simons’ value is still higher than that. He’s just not ready right now.
 
Scalma said:
Probably not. Simons’ value is still higher than that. He’s just not ready right now.
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Not trying to argue, but just curious is Ant's value high throughout the league? Just curious if as fans we are valuing him higher than he really is?
 
twobullz said:
Not trying to argue, but just curious is Ant's value high throughout the league? Just curious if as fans we are valuing him higher than he really is?
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Young players that flash an ability to create their own shot will always be valued more than guys like Jackson who are more complimentary pieces. At least in my opinion.
 
Simons was a 24th pick two years ago. He's done nothing to increase his value over a 24th pick, probably gone the other direction. But he's a cheap bench player and Portland has a need for those, even if he's 7-9 in the rotation
 
Don't worry. He will not improve much, but olshey will give him a 70 million dollar contract when his rookie deal expires.
 
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