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VanillaGorilla said:
The Derrick Williams video was all from one game, it's not the same as the video you posted. How much have you seen Williams play?
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Enough to know that he doesn't really have a position in the NBA. Like Michael Beasley.

So Williams had one good game (playing alongside a great pass-first PG) and that makes him good? Sadly he also had one crappy season.

Enlighten me: exactly what is it that Williams does better than the average NBA player? Or even as good as?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Remind me which one of us thought Adam Morrison would be a good NBA player?
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8 years ago. But, continue to hold on tight to that rope.

Remind me of all the Euro guys you've clamored to come over and have stunk up the joint in the NBA and had their shit sent packing back overseas where they belong?
 
Rastapopoulous' player evaluation:

Everybody in the NBA is overrated except for Euro's, Rajon Rondo and James Harden.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Enough to know that he doesn't really have a position in the NBA. Like Michael Beasley.

So Williams had one good game (playing alongside a great pass-first PG) and that makes him good? Sadly he also had one crappy season.

Enlighten me: exactly what is it that Williams does better than the average NBA player? Or even as good as?
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Compare his beginning of the season stats in a condensed season as a 20 year old rookie to his stats at the end of the year...Its night and day.

Any time he was given 25+ minutes he thrived.
 
MickZagger said:
Remind me of all the Euro guys you've clamored to come over and have stunk up the joint in the NBA and had their shit sent packing back overseas where they belong?
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I can't think of any. Find me the "clamoring" of which you speak and I'll shut up. I can think of exactly one euro player I've absolutely raved about for at least 2 years before he came to the NBA. He's the one setting up Derrick Williams in your nice video.

Has it really been 8 years? Wow. And Ammo's playing in Summer League this year. I tell you what: he's more offensively skilled than Derrick Williams.
 
MickZagger said:
Compare his beginning of the season stats in a condensed season as a 20 year old rookie to his stats at the end of the year...Its night and day.

Any time he was given 25+ minutes he thrived.
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You mean like this:

Code: 
Scoring Statistics
   Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
 5 williams,derrick  PF 33 24.6  118  298 .396  26  92 .283   87  118 .737 10.6

          Rebounding Statistics
   Player             AS AS/g  ST ST/G  TO TO/g  BK BK/g  TND  OR OR/g  TR TR/g
 5 williams,derrick   20  0.6  14  0.4  44  1.3  19  0.6  9.8  38 1.2  178  5.4

? Because that was what he did in the second half of last season. We must mean different things by "thrived".
 
Wages of Wins had Ronnie Brewer as the starting SG on their "all-underappreciated" team last year.

Here's what they said about him when he was in Utah:

Jerry Sloan – as noted back in October of 2008 – often tells the players on his team to focus on something besides their own scoring. And players who go against this advice often suffer Sloan’s wrath.

Although a number of players have resisted such advice, Ronnie Brewer seemed to take it to heart. Across his career Brewer has taken a below average number of shots from the field. Consequently, Brewer hasn’t been much of a scorer. But when we look at his overall production, we see that Brewer is consistently above average with respect to shooting efficiency, steals, and turnovers. And when we put all these numbers together in terms of Wins Produced, we see in 2008-09 – as the following list of top shooting guards from that season reveals – Brewer ranked among the best in the game.

Dwyane Wade: 22.3 Wins Produced

Brandon Roy: 15.3 Wins Produced

Kobe Bryant: 15.0 Wins Produced

Mike Miller: 13.9 Wins Produced

Joe Johnson: 8.6 Wins Produced

Ronnie Brewer: 8.5 Wins Produced
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Can you find me statistical analysis that says that Derrick Williams is worth a damn?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
FTFY
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Aren't you clever. Except that I've never said Claver was much good. At best I've said he's probably better than Babbitt, and that's called "damning with faint praise." But don't let what I've actually said cloud your opinion of me.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I can't think of any. Find me the "clamoring" of which you speak and I'll shut up. I can think of exactly one euro player I've absolutely raved about for at least 2 years before he came to the NBA. He's the one setting up Derrick Williams in your nice video.

Has it really been 8 years? Wow. And Ammo's playing in Summer League this year. I tell you what: he's more offensively skilled than Derrick Williams.
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Rudy, Greek Shaq, Planinic, Spanoulis, Garbajosa, Giricek, Ukic, Welsch, Ajinca, Gelabale, Mensah-Bonsu, Caparkapa, Rakocevik, Pecherov..........

Did I forget anybody?
 
I don't care what the stats say, the guy can ball. He was a rookie coming off zero summer league and almost zero preseason camp. I am no college BB junkie, but I do watch a lot of Pac 12 games and unless he has picked up some off the court problems I don't know about, or has absolutely no work ethic, he would be a steal. And unless he has some drug issues that we don't know about, then he is no Beasley either.
 
Hey, hey, hey!

Let's get back on the topic: Those Wolves have been under .500 for 15 of 23 years!

:devilwink:
 
MickZagger said:
Rudy, Greek Shaq, Planinic, Spanoulis, Garbajosa, Giricek, Ukic, Welsch, Ajinca, Gelabale, Mensah-Bonsu, Caparkapa, Rakocevik, Pecherov..........

Did I forget anybody?
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You mean knowing about players you've never heard of counts as clamoring over them?

And actually, you did make up a few that I've never mentioned and don't like. But don't let that stop you.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You mean knowing about players you've never heard of counts as clamoring over them?

And actually, you did make up a few that I've never mentioned and don't like. But don't let that stop you.
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They're Euro's so I assumed you jocked them. My bad...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm tired of doing all the work while you just make shit up.
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Derrick Williams was inconsistent as most 20 year olds without a defined role are. Give consistent minutes and he gave consistent production. Thats really the bottomline.
 
noknobs said:
You're looking at it backwards. As with most bench players, when he thrived in a game he was given 25+ minutes.
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I suppose. But as a 20 year old rookie without a defined role and a lot of depth on the roster thats what happens. I think with a condensed season that wasn't true all of the time.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You mean knowing about players you've never heard of counts as clamoring over them?

And actually, you did make up a few that I've never mentioned and don't like. But don't let that stop you.
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So you just throw names around for the hell of it. Gotcha.:chestbump:
 
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