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We can do things that the school, but we need to do things outside of schools too. We have to work to stop kids from bringing guns to school in the first place.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Polycarbonate is bullet proof and not very expensive.
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Are we going to use that on all the windows too in the whole school? Are going to put bars up?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Also to think that someone will shoot at a kid but not shoot a lock or door seems a little silly to me. If that is the case then all kids should wear a lock around their neck while at school.
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Sure there is. Extend the buildings until they intersect. We could give every school in the US $1 million to make these changes for less than $200 billion.
Drop in the bucket.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Sure there is. Extend the buildings until they intersect. We could give every school in the US $1 million to make these changes for less than $200 billion.
Drop in the bucket.
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You don't think if someone really wanted to get in and shoot, they wouldn't think of shooting the door/lock/window?
 
Chris Craig said:
Are we going to use that on all the windows too in the whole school? Are going to put bars up?
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I don't see why not use polycarbonate on all windows... it's not new technology. No bars necessary. It'll take longer to shoot through polycarbonate than it would take the police to arrive (assuming police were interested in doing their job). And if there were an armed member on staff it would be a non-starter.
 
Chris Craig said:
You don't think if someone really wanted to get in and shoot, they wouldn't think of shooting the door/lock/window?
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Door locks at schools aren't easy to just shoot out... They are shrouded in steel from all angles. You'd have to have armor piercing rounds (which are srictly regulated) and it would still take forever... And you wouldn't catch anybody by surprise. It would be noisy as hell.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Door locks at schools aren't easy to just shoot out... They are shrouded in steel from all angles. You'd have to have armor piercing rounds (which are srictly regulated) and it would still take forever... And you wouldn't catch anybody by surprise. It would be noisy as hell.
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Phatguysrule said:
Door locks at schools aren't easy to just shoot out... They are shrouded in steel from all angles. You'd have to have armor piercing rounds (which are srictly regulated) and it would still take forever... And you wouldn't catch anybody by surprise. It would be noisy as hell.
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True. They'd try. Probably go for the window. Gotta get those reinforced. Sad that's necessary.
 
This is why nothing gets done. Every proposal, all we hear is it's not perfect so don't do it. Nothing is fucking perfect, not seat belts, vaccines, birth control. But all a lot better than nothing.
If a measure could reduce gun killing by, say, 1/3, that's thousands of lives. Would you just sit back and say don't bother because 2/3 of killing would still happen?
 
crandc said:
This is why nothing gets done. Every proposal, all we hear is it's not perfect so don't do it. Nothing is fucking perfect, not seat belts, vaccines, birth control. But all a lot better than nothing.
If a measure could reduce gun killing by, say, 1/3, that's thousands of lives. Would you just sit back and say don't bother because 2/3 of killing would still happen?
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I would love to see before and after stats for any gun control that has ever reduced violent crime and murder rates by 1/3. When considering the same rates over the same time frame of similar states, countries, counties, etc...

I can't find anything close.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I would love to see before and after stats for any gun control that has ever reduced violent crime and murder rates by 1/3. When considering the same rates over the same time frame of similar states, countries, counties, etc...

I can't find anything close.
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Maybe because we don’t get to do real gun control, due to the NRA and Republicans making anything of substance actionable. We pussy foot around instead of dropping the hammer. Because we are afraid of the NRA money loss.
 
NRA to Hold "Republican Pep Rally" in Houston with Trump, Days After 21 Killed in Texas Shooting

 
calvin natt said:
Maybe because we don’t get to do real gun control, due to the NRA and Republicans making anything of substance actionable. We pussy foot around instead of dropping the hammer. Because we are afraid of the NRA money loss.
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Not NRA money loss. Loss of bribes from the NRA. Ted Cruz has to pay for Cancun.
 
Would not door locks in schools be a safety hazard if something happens inside and everyone needs out quickly? Like a school fire?
 
crandc said:
This is why nothing gets done. Every proposal, all we hear is it's not perfect so don't do it. Nothing is fucking perfect, not seat belts, vaccines, birth control. But all a lot better than nothing.
If a measure could reduce gun killing by, say, 1/3, that's thousands of lives. Would you just sit back and say don't bother because 2/3 of killing would still happen?
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What measure would reduce gun killings by 1/3?
 
THE HCP said:
Unless you're hunting innocent children.
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When the most popular gun becomes the civilian version of the new XM5 the Army is switching to you'll understand what I mean, and why outlawing the AR makes no sense.

The typical AR has about half the impact force of most hunting rifles.

It's great for shooting small game if you don't have to do a lot of walking, and awesome for target shooting since you're stationary and the rounds are small.

A handgun would be far more deadly in a school shooting, and an XM5 (or even semi auto 30-06 like the M1 Garand) would be unspeakably devastating.

Outlaw the AR15 and that's what will likely take it's place. Carnage on a whole new level. Watch the video I posted above with the watermelons to understand what I mean.

It's critical we start identifying these troubled people much sooner and eliminating the risk.
 
calvin natt said:
Maybe because we don’t get to do real gun control, due to the NRA and Republicans making anything of substance actionable. We pussy foot around instead of dropping the hammer. Because we are afraid of the NRA money loss.
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The NRA only spends about $5 million per year in lobbying... I don't think it's the financial force people think it is. That's a drop in the bucket.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The NRA only spends about $5 million per year in lobbying... I don't think it's the financial force people think it is. That's a drop in the bucket.
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They are paying Republicans enough to keep them from voting.
 
I have the solution. All schools should be held in an abandoned steel plant in Mariupol, Ukraine. Highly defensible.

barfo
 
Phatguysrule said:
The NRA only spends about $5 million per year in lobbying... I don't think it's the financial force people think it is. That's a drop in the bucket.
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Lobbying isn't only way, or even the primary way, that they spend money. What about campaign contributions and PAC money?

What about outright bribes?

barfo
 
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