Game Thread GAME# 47: LAKERS @ BLAZERS - JANUARY 25, 2017 - WEDNESDAY, 7:30 PM (PDT), ESPN

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To appreciate Chief you really have to focus on the defensive end of the court...anything he does on offense is secondary..he's not looking for that...he's been streaky on offense his whole career but for some reason MAKES game changing shots when it really counts..his defense in my book is first class...I want Aminu guarding Lebron and Durant
 
Trackjack said:
Von had solid game tonight. He doesn't get one play call for him and he get 8 points and 10 rebounds and solid on the defense. Plum had huge game and he had 19 and 13. That 23 Reb between our PF and center both of them was a big key to this win.
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Definitely. Mase could've gotten 25 tonight. He missed some easy ones. I'm excited about our team. We'll get it together. Things weren't as bad as they seemed. We ran into smoking hot Wash and Philly teams on the trip and Charlotte was desperate and at home. Now our schedule gets easier and we'll make our run,
 
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KingSpeed said:
I was in a restaurant in Eugene (not sure which one) and noticed "the bus" outside so I immediately looked for Ken and introduced myself. We both went to Springfield High School. Told him I had just been cast in a Broadway show.
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I first met him at Gary Snyder's cabin with a bunch of beat poets...my band played some of their parties...I dug the poetry but was never a Grateful Dead fan..
 
riverman said:
To appreciate Chief you really have to focus on the defensive end of the court...anything he does on offense is secondary..he's not looking for that...he's been streaky on offense his whole career but for some reason MAKES game changing shots when it really counts..his defense in my book is first class...I want Aminu guarding Lebron and Durant
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He's a net liability. His D is pretty good, but what he gives up on offense seems to overwhelm his contributions.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I was a big Vonleh apologist last year, but I just don't know. I'd say the odds are still against him, but he's a got a chance. If he can become a kind of David West player that would be a huge boon to this team. He'll never be as skilled as Lamarcus though ... Maybe he can be better at some things, but he doesn't have the scoring ability and never will.
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I think if you look at 21 year old Lamarcus...you'll see what I'm saying and I think Vonleh is a better banger in the paint, rebounder and 3 pt shooter....
 
Nikolokolus said:
I was a big Vonleh apologist last year, but I just don't know. I'd say the odds are still against him, but he's a got a chance. If he can become a kind of David West player that would be a huge boon to this team. He'll never be as skilled as Lamarcus though ... Maybe he can be better at some things, but he doesn't have the scoring ability and never will.
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I don't know about never will. He's only 21. He can shoot from everywhere. He has a decent hook. I wouldn't count him out.
 
KingSpeed said:
Definitely. Made could've gotten 25 tonight. He missed some easy ones. I'm excited about our team. We'll get it together. Things weren't as bad as they seemed. We ran into smoking hot Wash and Philly teams on the trip and Charlotte was desperate and at home. Now our schedule gets easier and we'll make our run,
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lol.
 
Nikolokolus said:
He's a net liability. His D is pretty good, but what he gives up on offense seems to overwhelm his contributions.
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He personally won two playoff games for us last year on the offensive side of the floor. He was left open and he punished the opposition. Had a 30 point game in one of them. He was also great in the playoffs with Dallas the year before. He's a prime time player. Lifts his game when it matters.
 
Trackjack said:
Von had solid game tonight. He doesn't get one play call for him and he get 8 points and 10 rebounds and solid on the defense. Plum had huge game and he had 19 and 13. That 23 Reb between our PF and center both of them was a big key to this win.
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Vonleh had 8 points and 10 rebounds in just 20 minutes and as mentioned, not one play run for him. Was also a +14 in those 20 minutes.
 
Vonleh is starting to get confident in his game. There giving him a second chance and he look like he wants keep the starting job.
 
TBpup said:
Vonleh had 8 points and 10 rebounds in just 20 minutes and as mentioned, not one play run for him. Was also a +14 in those 20 minutes.
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Moving Vonleh and Turner to starting lineup at Philly was a turning point to our season and if we keep playing hard, it will stick. I think Turner and Vonleh are much better as starters. Not sure what will happen to Harkless when he comes back though. He disappears as a bench player.
 
KingSpeed said:
I don't know about never will. He's only 21. He can shoot from everywhere. He has a decent hook. I wouldn't count him out.
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His ceiling is probably prime David West; that'd plenty good, but he's just not the natural shot creator Lamarcus is/was.

It's not a knock against him. I think he already shows more willingness to fight for rebounds than LMA ever did.
 
riverman said:
I first met him at Gary Snyder's cabin with a bunch of beat poets...my band played some of their parties...I dug the poetry but was never a Grateful Dead fan..
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Gary Snyder is my all time favorite poet. Also known as Japhy Ryder.....
 
Noah Vonleh--I still think his ceiling is Clint Capela. Which would be a pretty nice addition to this team. He actually has a pretty long way to get there, but that's what a ceiling is for someone as raw as Vonleh. He shows some ability to block shots and I think he has the length and athleticism to be a really good one. If he can start scoring efficiently (right now he's, uh...about as efficient as a riding mower fitted with a rocket booster), Portland will really have something.
 
theprunetang said:
Gary Snyder is my all time favorite poet. Also known as Japhy Ryder.....
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We were neighbors for a decade....his wife Masa passed away since I've seen him but that dude threw insane parties....great poet..Turtle Island was the last I read
 
There's nothing like 48 minutes of garbage time to insure a good night's sleep.
 
riverman said:
To appreciate Chief you really have to focus on the defensive end of the court...anything he does on offense is secondary..he's not looking for that...he's been streaky on offense his whole career but for some reason MAKES game changing shots when it really counts..his defense in my book is first class...I want Aminu guarding Lebron and Durant
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I think he misses game changing shots a lot too though. Tonights 3 point shot in the 4th is a perfect example. The Lakers are coming back and he takes a 3 to try to stop the run? Not the right guy to do so. He needs to be smarter than that. He did redeem himself with a nice block after that, and he did stop shooting....so hopefully he and Terry will learn from it. But Terry needs to stop encouraging him to take them.
 
Minstrel said:
Noah Vonleh--I still think his ceiling is Clint Capela. Which would be a pretty nice addition to this team. He actually has a pretty long way to get there, but that's what a ceiling is for someone as raw as Vonleh. He shows some ability to block shots and I think he has the length and athleticism to be a really good one. If he can start scoring efficiently (right now he's, uh...about as efficient as a riding mower fitted with a rocket booster), Portland will really have something.
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Say what? Vonleh is already a better shooter than Capela. Capela can't shoot threes (or FTs for that matter). Noah will be better than Capela is now.
 
KingSpeed said:
Say what? Vonleh is already a better shooter than Capela.
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Yes and he's a far, far, far less efficient scorer. Capela has a .618 TS% (which is fantastic) while Vonleh has a .473 (which is horrific). Capela has a much better block rate, Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating. Capela is not the perfect comparison in terms of playstyle, since Vonleh can shoot, but a Capela type of player who's active and athletic around the basket, but can switch out onto a perimeter player when necessary, on defense and chips in efficient, non-volume scoring on the other end is where I see Vonleh's ceiling. Capela is an extremely valuable young player--it would be fantastic for the Blazers if Vonleh became that valuable.
 
Minstrel said:
Yes and he's a far, far, far less efficient scorer. Capela has a .618 TS% (which is fantastic) while Vonleh has a .473 (which is horrific). Capela has a much better block rate, Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating. Capela is not the perfect comparison in terms of playstyle, since Vonleh can shoot, but a Capela type of player who's active and athletic around the basket, but can switch out onto a perimeter player when necessary, on defense and chips in efficient, non-volume scoring on the other end is where I see Vonleh's ceiling. Capela is an extremely valuable young player--it would be fantastic for the Blazers if Vonleh became that valuable.
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But Vonleh is better than Capela at so many things already. I don't get the comparison.
 
That was an ugly win against a terrible team without it's starting PG. At one point, the Lakers missed 12 2-pt shots in a row yet Portland couldn't expand the lead. And it wasn't because of good defense. Most of those shots were completely uncontested and a couple had someone in the vicinity. The Lakers are just that bad. Just about any other team in the league beats the Blazers with that effort and execution level.
 
KingSpeed said:
But Vonleh is better than Capela at so many things already. I don't get the comparison.
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He's a better shooter. That's all he's better at. Capela is a better rebounder, passer, scorer, shot-blocker and has much more overall impact on team offense and defense.

As for why I made the comparison, I wrote that in my previous post. There's no point me re-writing it.
 
TBpup said:
That was an ugly win against a terrible team without it's starting PG. At one point, the Lakers missed 12 2-pt shots in a row yet Portland couldn't expand the lead. And it wasn't because of good defense. Most of those shots were completely uncontested and a couple had someone in the vicinity. The Lakers are just that bad. Just about any other team in the league beats the Blazers with that effort and execution level.
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I agree with everything except the without it's starting PG. D' Angelo was 0-7 from deep the last time we played them. I much rather have him play.....less shots for Clarkson and Lou Williams. Plus he still makes poor decisions.
 
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