Game Thread GAME# 72: PISTONS @ BLAZERS - MARCH 23, 2019 - SATURDAY, 7:00 PM, NBATV & NBCSNW

[bobf]

Like i said. I totally understand the Turner issues. But there was just something he brings to the court.

Whatever intangible something he brings to the court, it doesn't net us points. ET costs us 3-4 wins per season vs an average player.

Season     Team       RPM    Wins*
2018-2019  POR       -3.68   -3.6
2017-2018  POR       -3.15   -4.4
2016-2017  POR       -2.89   -3.3
2015-2016  BOS       -1.61   -2.5
2014-2015  BOS       -1.37   -2.1
2013-2014  IND/PHI   -2.79   -1.1

*Based on minutes played & RPM. Historically each +1 point differential results in about 2.7 wins over the course of 82 games.

 

[kjironman1]

Whatever intangible something he brings to the court, it doesn't net us points. ET costs us 3-4 wins per season vs an average player.

Season     Team       RPM    Wins*
2018-2019  POR       -3.68   -3.6
2017-2018  POR       -3.15   -4.4
2016-2017  POR       -2.89   -3.3
2015-2016  BOS       -1.61   -2.5
2014-2015  BOS       -1.37   -2.1
2013-2014  IND/PHI   -2.79   -1.1

*Based on minutes played & RPM. Historically each +1 point differential results in about 2.7 wins over the course of 82 games.

No argument from me on that. Was just stating what I watched last night.

 

[THE HCP]

Do you need a tissue? Here.

Spoiler

You've had drama with @BonesJones @Orion Bailey @KingSpeed @Cippy @Dougnsalem myself and a few others.
The one consistent with all of it is you.

At the end of the day
I told you something truthful, then asked you to stop.
You refused and instead decided to reference 'back in the day'.
Someone NOT ME decided to chime in and tell you. When someone asks you to stop calling them names you should just do that. If you don't, you look like a bully.
Instead you made the decision to continue. Even claiming you receive special treatment on the forum and lied about not getting dm's from mods telling you to stop.
You forced a mod to come in to confirm they've sent you DM's telling you to knock it off.. Only for you to go MIA in that thread.
Only to the next day take subtle shots. Which again forced a couple different mods to DM you and tell you to stop.

When it's all said and done, I'm here to talk basketball and all the extra shit is not worth the time to read.
You go ahead and roleplay like certain posters do in the OT section. Then wonder why this keeps happening.
Clearly it's nothing you've done. You're just innocent John Lukrofka. You're really just a victim.

Damn. You have a ton of pent up angst towards me. I just mentioned that I could post what you needed, but have me on IGNORE and then, all this? Wow. What did the mods dm me for? I don’t remember that. Oh and go figure the posters you named have drama with me? Who DON’T they have drama with?

 

[kjironman1]

Damn. You have a ton of pent up angst towards me. I just mentioned that I could post what you needed, but have me on IGNORE and then, all this? Wow. What did the mods dm me for? I don’t remember that. Oh and go figure the posters you named have an issue with me? Who DON’T they have an issue with?

Well at least he didn’t call you Tunchi

 

[bobf]

No argument from me on that. Was just stating what I watched last night.

I know what you mean, I see it too. His passing can ignite the team. Sometimes he posts up and scores with ease. It just apparently doesn't offset the rest of it.

 

[kjironman1]

I know what you mean, I see it too. His passing can ignite the team. Sometimes he posts up and scores with ease. It just apparently doesn't offset the rest of it.

Nope! It sure don’t.

 

[H.C.]

A. @Orion Bailey can screw a bucket of staples cuz he didn't show up to my painting party, thank goodness my wife helps.

B. The funny thing about his post is that it is more proof he just skims the forum looking for attention. Need a GIF? I COULDA DONE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then he misses out on the thanks. Poor guy

Pretty much this.
Then continually quotes posters who have him on ignore crying.
Guy needs to check himself.
Even his latest reply comes across as playing the victim.

I don't have time for it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Pretty much this.
Then continually quotes posters who have him on ignore crying.
Guy needs to check himself.
Even his latest reply comes across as playing the victim.

I don't have time for it.

My only problem with him now is he ruined this song for me. I see his grin every time I hear it.

 

[H.C.]

My only problem with him now is he ruined this song for me. I see his grin every time I hear it.

I think this is a reference to the songs played at the end of the 3rd quarter/start of 4th?

I actually think he's been super on point with his end of 3rd quarter/start of 4th quarter songs.
Shits been amazing.
As well as the camera work.
Compared to last year the truck has been fantastic.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I think this is a reference to the songs played at the end of the 3rd quarter/start of 4th?

I actually think he's been super on point with his end of 3rd quarter/start of 4th quarter songs.
Shits been amazing.
As well as the camera work.
Compared to last year the truck has been fantastic.

No. I don't get to watch the games. I'm sure he's good at his job. The 400 times I've heard about the emmy awards must mean something.

The lyrics of that song remind me of him..........



Stop waitin' on your fifteen minutes of fame
'Cause you're not special
I'm not tryin' to rain on your parade
But you're not special
I'm not tryin' to bring to you down
I'm not tryin' to sound so inaffectual
But you're not special

 

[BonesJones]

I was watching Turner last night on defense and if I was in charge of showing film to the team I'd show a 3 minute stretch where 6 plays in a row ET fell asleep or did something lazy on defense that led to an easy shot. I don't know if he's still injured or what but he definitely doesn't provide any moxie.

Our coach doesn't make the team watch any film though so it's a moot point.

I wish I could call this out in my videos..

 

[BonesJones]

Pretty much this.
Then continually quotes posters who have him on ignore crying.
Guy needs to check himself.
Even his latest reply comes across as playing the victim.

I don't have time for it.

HCP is the victim. I use his "shtick" against him. Look:

Ive overtaken him in likes, power, and controversy. All without utilizing jokes about his wife to do so.

Why do you think he's so salty towards me? "FAMS" is jealous.

Now cue the salty rant that I so love to hear. Cant wait for TPFKAHCPs rebuttal. I have popcorn in the microwave right now!

 

[hoopsjock]

I wish I could call this out in my videos..

Me too. There were 3 plays in particular were he literally was just standing there ball watching when his man vacated the area.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Me too. There were 3 plays in particular were he literally was just standing there ball watching when his man vacated the area.

He was playing a zone, he was the only one who knew it was zone though heh.

 

[hoopsjock]

He was playing a zone, he was the only one who knew it was zone though heh.

Funny, but even in a zone you have to be ready to rotate and recognize who is moving in and out of your area. He failed at a zone too, lol.

 

[Orion Bailey]

A. @Orion Bailey can screw a bucket of staples cuz he didn't show up to my painting party, thank goodness my wife helps.

B. The funny thing about his post is that it is more proof he just skims the forum looking for attention. Need a GIF? I COULDA DONE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then he misses out on the thanks. Poor guy

Wierd i didnt get a tag from @H.C.

Sorry man i dont do paint parties unless it includes naked strippers to paint and if you had them you didnt make that clear!

 

[Orion Bailey]

I love the fact that the guy who could do it the easiest (me) he has on ignore. Classic.

Maybe the best way to get someone to take you off ignore would be to offer the service?

Thats what a cool, nice guy would do anyhow. I keep hearing how nice this guy is.

Rumors are worthless.

First person interaction is priceless.

And so far also worthless....

 

[Orion Bailey]

@hoopsjock

Do you really think the team doesnt study film???

 

[hoopsjock]

@hoopsjock

Do you really think the team doesnt study film???

Not enough, in my opinion.

For the record, Rajon Rondo called them out during the playoffs last year for their lack of film study too. I didn't think there was any way he was correct but then that article came out about how Stotts made them watch 45 minutes of film after a bad game and the fact that it was said they usually only watch about 10 minutes if any is quite troubling.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not enough, in my opinion.

For the record, Rajon Rondo called them out during the playoffs last year for their lack of film study too. I didn't think there was any way he was correct but then that article came out about how Stotts made them watch 45 minutes of film after a bad game and the fact that it was said they usually only watch about 10 minutes if any is quite troubling.

Not sure about all players but i read that most learn the most abOut opponent tendencies through film, which would help the defense the most.

This is concerning. Is there corrolation between this and our defencive inefficiencies?

 

[CupWizier]

Not sure about all players but i read that most learn the most abOut opponent tendencies through film, which would help the defense the most.

This is concerning. Is there corrolation between this and our defencive inefficiencies?

There has been zero evidence shown that they don't do film sessions or only 10 minutes as in the article TBF linked to it said Stotts usually has a 10-20 minute film session as a team and that's not counting all the time the individual players watch film on their own or the countless times the players work with assistant coaches with film.

 

[Orion Bailey]

There has been zero evidence shown that they don't do film sessions or only 10 minutes as in the article TBF linked to it said Stotts usually has a 10-20 minute film session as a team and that's not counting all the time the individual players watch film on their own or the countless times the players work with assistant coaches with film.

Either way, from what i know and have been told, film watching is as important or more important that anything else. These athletes already have the drive. Most stay in great shape and grew up with basketball drills and skills.
The biggest unknown, i would think, would be opponent tendancies, of which you only learn through playing them and... watching thier film.

If film watching isnt a top or near top priority it is an eye opener for me.

I havent really read anything clear on it one way or another. Just going off what im reading here on the forum about blazers film watching.

 

[CupWizier]

Either way, from what i know and have been told, film watching is as important or more important that anything else. These athletes already have the drive. Most stay in great shape and grew up with basketball drills and skills.
The biggest unknown, i would think, would be opponent tendancies, of which you only learn through playing them and... watching thier film.

If film watching isnt a top or near top priority it is an eye opener for me.

I havent really read anything clear on it one way or another. Just going off what im reading here on the forum about blazers film watching.

and you're leaning on one guy that hasn't shown any supporting evidence that they put little emphasis on film sessions. Take it with a grain of salt. Probably all it's worth.

Here is another clip that talks about film sessions on game day as well.

"Game days usually start at 8, 9 in the morning," forward Moe Harkless says. "We come (to the practice facility) for shootaround ... we go over film, we go over (opponent's) sets, get shots up."

 

[Orion Bailey]

and you're leaning on one guy that hasn't shown any supporting evidence that they put little emphasis on film sessions. Take it with a grain of salt. Probably all it's worth.

Here is another clip that talks about film sessions on game day as well.

"Game days usually start at 8, 9 in the morning," forward Moe Harkless says. "We come (to the practice facility) for shootaround ... we go over film, we go over (opponent's) sets, get shots up."

With all do respect, going over film could be five minutes or five hours.
Just saying i havent seen anything concrete and clear that shows film watching is a high priority EITHER way.

Im just saying, if it isnt, to me, that would seem like an issue and could probably be tied to our defense.

 

[hoopsjock]

Either way, from what i know and have been told, film watching is as important or more important that anything else. These athletes already have the drive. Most stay in great shape and grew up with basketball drills and skills.
The biggest unknown, i would think, would be opponent tendancies, of which you only learn through playing them and... watching thier film.

If film watching isnt a top or near top priority it is an eye opener for me.

I havent really read anything clear on it one way or another. Just going off what im reading here on the forum about blazers film watching.

During the last Blazer game that was on ESPN, Dame was quoted as saying that this year is the first year he's truly understood other team's tendencies. He personally watched a ton of film over the summer to get to that point. He also mentioned that Rondo in the playoffs knew every play they were running and on a few occasions was so in tune with Dame's tendencies that he knew what Dame was going to to before Dame even did. Dame couldn't believe someone could get to that point until this year when his hard work in the film room over the summer started to pay off.

Now I know it's near impossible to watch that much film during the season for every opponent, so I'm not entirely blaming the coaching staff, but Rondo was very clear last year that it was obvious to him the Blazers weren't studying enough film and that was the reason they got dominated in the playoffs. From Dame's comments last week I took two things. The first is that Dame is an amazing player and it's a real testament to his work ethic that he is still getting better in his 7th year. The second is I was left wondering why it is that it took this long for Dame to study film in this way and have to do it on his own? It's the extra effort that players like Rondo put in that make a huge difference in the playoffs. In my opinion the Blazers recent poor playoff performances can be somewhat attributed to this lack of preparation.

 

[CupWizier]

During the last Blazer game that was on ESPN, Dame was quoted as saying that this year is the first year he's truly understood other team's tendencies. He personally watched a ton of film over the summer to get to that point. He also mentioned that Rondo in the playoffs knew every play they were running and on a few occasions was so in tune with Dame's tendencies that he knew what Dame was going to to before Dame even did. Dame couldn't believe someone could get to that point until this year when his hard work in the film room over the summer started to pay off.

Now I know it's near impossible to watch that much film during the season for every opponent, so I'm not entirely blaming the coaching staff, but Rondo was very clear last year that it was obvious to him the Blazers weren't studying enough film and that was the reason they got dominated in the playoffs. From Dame's comments last week I took two things. The first is that Dame is an amazing player and it's a real testament to his work ethic that he is still getting better in his 7th year. The second is I was left wondering why it is that it took this long for Dame to study film in this way and have to do it on his own? It's the extra effort that players like Rondo put in that make a huge difference in the playoffs. In my opinion the Blazers recent poor playoff performances can be somewhat attributed to this lack of preparation.

Do you have any articles where Rondo is saying this? Dame saying he watched more film this off season does not indicate he wasn't watching enough film in the past. Watching film is only one part of the equation as there are many aspects that go into preparing for a game and I bet the Blazers watch as much film as most teams. Stotts isn't new to the NBA and they have a video coordinator on staff for the purpose of working with film. You keep posting that the Blazers don't use film much but have shown nothing to support that assertion. If you have something I would be happy to read it.

 

[CupWizier]

With all do respect, going over film could be five minutes or five hours.
Just saying i havent seen anything concrete and clear that shows film watching is a high priority EITHER way.

Im just saying, if it isnt, to me, that would seem like an issue and could probably be tied to our defense.

So because you haven't seen anything concrete either way then why assume they aren't watching enough?

 

[hoopsjock]

Do you have any articles where Rondo is saying this? Dame saying he watched more film this off season does not indicate he wasn't watching enough film in the past. Watching film is only one part of the equation as there are many aspects that go into preparing for a game and I bet the Blazers watch as much film as most teams. Stotts isn't new to the NBA and they have a video coordinator on staff for the purpose of working with film. You keep posting that the Blazers don't use film much but have shown nothing to support that assertion. If you have something I would be happy to read it.

I believe the Rondo stuff was a twitter beef thing. I don't know why I can't just be entitled to my opinion and you can be entitled to yours. To me, the lack of preparation against the Pelicans last year was obvious. Combine that with the Dame comments, the comments about usually only watching 10 minutes if any at all after the Clippers game, and Rondo saying he doesn't think they watch enough film it is my conclusion that there may in fact be a correlation between a lack of playoff success and not prudent enough film studying. If you feel like there is no correlation there then be my guest, but I certainly don't need to prove to you my opinion. Neither of our opinions can be validated in this instance so it seems a bit silly for either of us to say that the other person has shown nothing to support their opinion.

 

[hoopsjock]

So because you haven't seen anything concrete either way then why assume they aren't watching enough?

Wait, you're trying to argue with someone who has clearly stated he doesn't know which side is correct?

 

[CupWizier]

Wait, you're trying to argue with someone who has clearly stated he doesn't know which side is correct?

arguing? I asked a question and I call it a discussion and not sure why you felt the need to jump in without adding anything to the discussion and assuming it's an argument.

I believe the Rondo stuff was a twitter beef thing. I don't know why I can't just be entitled to my opinion and you can be entitled to yours. To me, the lack of preparation against the Pelicans last year was obvious. Combine that with the Dame comments, the comments about usually only watching 10 minutes if any at all after the Clippers game, and Rondo saying he doesn't think they watch enough film it is my conclusion that there may in fact be a correlation between a lack of playoff success and not prudent enough film studying. If you feel like there is no correlation there then be my guest, but I certainly don't need to prove to you my opinion. Neither of our opinions can be validated in this instance so it seems a bit silly for either of us to say that the other person has shown nothing to support their opinion.

I feel like you are trying to put forth an unfounded opinion and I have as well as TBF have shown several articles about doing film sessions but you seem to remember some random tweet or something from Rondo and that's suppose to be proof? You now have others doubting the Blazers use film session very much based on your opinion. If you were a female, you would be called a gossiper.


I find it pretty funny that you don't like your opinions questioned but do it frequently in this forum to others.