Game Thread GAME# 9: NETS @ BLAZERS - NOVEMBER 8, 2019 - FRIDAY, 7:00 PM, NBCSNW

[DUB]

Simons tried but it was terrible defensive strategy to let the kid who's played like a handful of meaningful games go 1-1 against maybe the best isolation player in the game. Really inexplicable coaching there.

Terrible for this one game maybe, but maybe a really good move long term for the development of Simons, thus the team.

I’m not saying that this is definitively the case, just that sometimes decisions are made for the future, rather than the present, and we’re not privy to the decision making process.

Also, I’m really trying to look for silver linings from our recent run of bad form.

 

[Bruno_Sabino]

At this point. Maybe this will be a blessing in disguise and getting that lottery pick will help us sooner than later.

We have healthy Nurk, healthy Zach all coming back next year. Simons is already showing us hes the future. The expiring deals of Whiteside and Baze that I’m sure at this point we’ll be trading, then finally a lottery pick we use in a trade for immediate help, we’re right back in this thing.

Even Little is semi showing he belongs. Only thing that sucks is wasting a prime year for Lillard.

Won’t happen - we will get better than this

 

[blazerfan11]

Stotts isn't perfect, but this is the NBA. It's almost all on the players. Who knows if they could execute a defense we'd like to see. Though I'd like to see it anyway.

The biggest problem is Collins injury, maybe tied by how crappy McCollum is playing. Then the fact that Whiteside is a tough fit. That part could be on Stotts. They should stop forcing the ball to him, wait for him to be open or use him as a passer to a cutter like we saw with Nassir. He is a better percentage scorer than he is doing with the Blazers. But he's not a versatile scorer.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Worse. He's like fat Kemp

15 boards, 5 blocks, and he still looked like he was only periodically engaged. Most guys can't do that without playing balls-to-the-wall. Imagine if he was fully focused.

 

[DUB]

DAME HOLD A PLAYERS ONLY MEETING. GET PISSED AT THEM. SOMETHING.

Can we sign Juwan Howard to a 10 day to throw a chair?

 

[KingSpeed]

He's like Dale Davis. Slow, out of shape, and lazy. At least Davis was a leader at times.

Dale Davis was awesome. We win Game 7 in 2003 if he plays. Something must be wrong with your memory. He wasn’t slow, out of shape, or lazy.

 

[KingSpeed]

Can we sign Juwan Howard to a 10 day to throw a chair?

Blake threw the chair

 

[Tince]

Huh? You are arguing for why there shouldn't be a pick. Leave Hassan by the hoop and let Dame just go around Kyrie without a pick (he can easily). Then Dame either has a path to the hoop or a dump/lob to Whiteside if Allen leaves.

It's fucking simple.

I get the never-Stotts camp has to bang the drum, but criticizing him for not knowing how to get Dame points on a night he drops 60 probably isn't the strongest argument.

One objective look at this roster and nobody should be surprised we're 3-6 right now. If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at the person who put it all together. Also, recognize that we were out Nurk, Collins, Hood, Gasol, Skal, and basically CJ tonight!

 

[illmatic99]

15 boards, 5 blocks, and he still looked like he was only periodically engaged. Most guys can't do that without playing balls-to-the-wall. Imagine if he was fully focused.

who gives a shit? like 75% of his rebounds are completely uncontested. Nets had 16 offensive rebounds tonight for 31 second chance points.

 

[KingSpeed]

Feel so bad for lillard, puts up a career night and still comes away with the loss. Seems like he is going to be like kemba walker in Charlotte

When did Charlotte go to conference finals?

 

[BlazerRx]

I never realized how soft whiteside is around the rim. So many times it seems he is trying to nimbly tip the ball in or do a little flip shot and misses....when it seems he should have the ability to throw it down and ensure the easy basket when he catches it so deep.

 

[BlazerRx]

When did Charlotte go to conference finals?

I'm talking about how kemba was a legit scorer in charlotte with no help from his teammates. If you think the way the blazers are playing now is indicative of making the conference finals....then I dont know what to say....i mean I am an optimist, but the way they are playing now will not get them back to the conference finals

 

[oldmangrouch]

I get the never-Stotts camp has to bang the drum, but criticizing him for not knowing how to get Dame points on a night he drops 60 probably isn't the strongest argument.

One objective look at this roster and nobody should be surprised we're 3-6 right now. If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at the person who put it all together. Also, recognize that we were out Nurk, Collins, Hood, Gasol, Skal, and basically CJ tonight!

I don't entirely disagree - but I don't believe Stotts is getting the most possible out of Hood and Bazemore. As I said earlier, I also think he is at least partially to blame for the way CJ is playing.

 

[riverman]

I'm talking about how kemba was a legit scorer in charlotte with no help from his teammates. If you think the way the blazers are playing now is indicative of making the conference finals....then I dont know what to say....i mean I am an optimist, but the way they are playing now will not get them back to the conference finals

The qualifier is that Zach, Hood, Nurk,Skal and Pau are all injured now...that's more than just a dent in the roster...it's a gash

 

[blazerfan11]

Dale Davis was awesome. We win Game 7 in 2003 if he plays. Something must be wrong with your memory. He wasn’t slow, out of shape, or lazy.

He wasn't out of shape or lazy or ineffective, but he at least looked like he was thinking through every movement he made. His free throw shooting was really slow.

 

[BlazerRx]

The qualifier is that Zach, Hood, Nurk,Skal and Pau are all injured now...that's more than just a dent in the roster...it's a gash

Thats definitely true, but by the time that Zach and nurk come back I feel it may be too little to late.

 

[riverman]

He wasn't out of shape or lazy or ineffective, but he at least looked like he was thinking through every movement he made. His free throw shooting was really slow.

Dale was made for the old half court days when scores were 82-73 and half the points were dunks

 

[Tince]

I don't entirely disagree - but I don't believe Stotts is getting the most possible out of Hood and Bazemore. As I said earlier, I also think he is at least partially to blame for the way CJ is playing.

Fair point. I think Hood's career track record is a guy who is inconsistent and scores 12ppg game on below average percentages. This year he's averaging 11.9ppg on a career high FG%. It's not Stotts fault if people think Hood is better than he is.

Bazemore has been a disappointment to me. I don't know enough about his game to determine if Stotts is to blame for it, but you could be right.

I think Stotts is in a horrible position with CJ. His boss would fire him for benching him, but CJ's play requires some adjustment.

 

[Dougnsalem]

He did a very good job keeping him in front and contesting the shot. Sometimes good players score. That was not 1M's fault.

That was some funny shit right there....

 

[calvin natt]

CJ just in a slump. Nothing bigger than that. He’ll snap out of it. Skal needs to toughen up. Little needs time. I would like to move Dame to the 2 and give ball distribution responsibility to someone else. Simons I guess. Never want your point guard scoring 60.

 

[KingSpeed]

I'm talking about how kemba was a legit scorer in charlotte with no help from his teammates. If you think the way the blazers are playing now is indicative of making the conference finals....then I dont know what to say....i mean I am an optimist, but the way they are playing now will not get them back to the conference finals

You sound like a post last season. I was talking about winning 50 games and the person said we have to X-X the rest of the way and “if you think that’s possible, I don’t know what to say.” We went to WCF. Without Nurkic. The way they are playing now won’t last. The Rockets started last season 11-14 and still won 53 games. The 94 Pacers started 16-23 and reached the ECF. 3-6 is nothing in the long run. 2017-18 Rockets had a 5 game losing streak and still won 65. 2006-07 Mavs started 0-4 and won 67. We haven’t had an extended homestand yet or an extended streak of games against crappy teams. We’ve been in all 6 of our losses down the stretch and some of them could’ve swung either way. We’ve also had a SLEW of injuries and have managed to play competitively. I’m pissed at the Gasol signing since he isn’t able to play when we most need him.

 

[blazerfan11]

Fair point. I think Hood's career track record is a guy who is inconsistent and scores 12ppg game on below average percentages. This year he's averaging 11.9ppg on a career high FG%. It's not Stotts fault if people think Hood is better than he is.

Bazemore has been a disappointment to me. I don't know enough about his game to determine if Stotts is to blame for it, but you could be right.

I think Stotts is in a horrible position with CJ. His boss would fire him for benching him, but CJ's play requires some adjustment.

I expected Bazemore to be an unreliable scorer, bad passer and good defender. That's what he is.

 

[riverman]

You sound like a post last season. I was talking about winning 50 games and the person said we have to X-X the rest of the way and “if you think that’s possible, I don’t know what to say.” We went to WCF. Without Nurkic. The way they are playing now won’t last. The Rockets started last season 11-14 and still won 53 games. The 94 Pacers started 16-23 and reached the ECF. 3-6 is nothing in the long run. 2017-18 Rockets had a 5 game losing streak and still won 65. 2006-07 Mavs started 0-4 and won 67. We haven’t had an extended homestand yet or an extended streak of games against crappy teams. We’ve been in all 6 of our losses down the stretch and some of them could’ve swung either way.

Pau has to be close to getting on the court...that'll be a huge help at this stage

 

[Jon]

150 would be cool though, right?

Yeah, it would. Not gonna lie, lol.

 

[riverman]

I expected Bazemore to be an unreliable scorer, bad passer and good defender. That's what he is.

So it's like keeping Evan Turner after all

 

[Tince]

I expected Bazemore to be an unreliable scorer, bad passer and good defender. That's what he is.

If that was your expectation, you NAILED it. Throw in chronic fouler.

I'm an idiot thinking that any player we got in exchange for Evan Turner wouldn't have a lot of flaws in his game.

 

[BlazerRx]

You sound like a post last season. I was talking about winning 50 games and the person said we have to X-X the rest of the way and “if you think that’s possible, I don’t know what to say.” We went to WCF. Without Nurkic. The way they are playing now won’t last. The Rockets started last season 11-14 and still won 53 games. The 94 Pacers started 16-23 and reached the ECF. 3-6 is nothing in the long run. 2017-18 Rockets had a 5 game losing streak and still won 65. 2006-07 Mavs started 0-4 and won 67. We haven’t had an extended homestand yet or an extended streak of games against crappy teams. We’ve been in all 6 of our losses down the stretch and some of them could’ve swung either way.

Thanks for the great historical statistics. I guess you are right, it is still very early and the schedule has not been very favorable.....although my initial point was just feeling sorry for lillard tonight as he had a career night with 60 points and still came away with the loss because of no help from his teammates....just reminded me a lot of kemba walker in Charlotte.

 

[blazerfan11]

So it's like keeping Evan Turner after all

To me it is. I didn't think the trade would do much. Turner at least was #2 in assists last season. Maybe our defense is just too bad so far for Bazemore to make a difference there. Is he a better defender than Turner?
What people seemed to like was Bazemore's better 3 point shooting compared to Turner, but didn't notice his 2-point shooting was bad. And that's how he is so far for the Blazers, 32 percent on 3 pointers and only 41 percent on 2 pointers, so his adjusted field goal percentage is only 44 percent which is very bad, Evan-Turner-like. Evan Turner shot 47% effective field goal percentage for the Blazers last season. So any improvement Bazemore gives you with "spacing" he loses with his 2 point shooting.
So if Bazemore isn't a noticeably better defender than Turner, I think the trade is a loss for the overall season, though there will be some games where Bazemore can hit a few threes which Turner can't do.

 

[illmatic99]

CJ just in a slump. Nothing bigger than that. He’ll snap out of it. Skal needs to toughen up. Little needs time. I would like to move Dame to the 2 and give ball distribution responsibility to someone else. Simons I guess. Never want your point guard scoring 60.

Dame had 60 out of necessity. WTF. You want to take the ball out of the hands of our ONE unselfish player who doesn't just gun every time?

 

[illmatic99]

No reaction at all from Terry. Ya its good to be even keeled but at least give a damn.