Game Thread GAME# 9: NETS @ BLAZERS - NOVEMBER 8, 2019 - FRIDAY, 7:00 PM, NBCSNW

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Who's your favorite Blazers bench player to watch?


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I love having the image of you on the team plane just minding your own business when one of the players taps you on the shoulder and shows you a post bashing one of them. Oh, to be a fly on the wall. Lmao.
Only happened once. Somebody showed BRoy that I said we wouldn’t make the playoffs after Greg and Przybilla went down back to back. He called me out. He said something like, “I’ll show you!” And he did.
 
Hezonja looks very hesitant to me. Like sometimes he hesitates, and screws up; and other times he overcompensates, and screws up.

He appears to waver between over, and under confidence.

I don’t know if it’s him having a hard time settling into the team (hard to tell given the current state of play of the team) or if it’s just his thing, that he does.
I've noticed that also. I hope the coaches have noticed and somehow make it easier for him to relax and do the right things.
 
Taking shots without passing first and without rebounders in position are not good shots. He can draw the defense anytime he wants. Until he learns to use that skill for setting up others it's not good.

I can't stand playing with guys like that. Why even engage on offense when he has the ball? Might as well go back on defense.
That want Harkless said 2 years ago and got bench for it I guess he wasn't wrong.
 
Yet, the last few games during crunch time other teams are making anyone but Dame beat us and we play right into that. We're trying to figure out how to put his teammates in a position to best help Dame.

I don't disagree with any part of what you said.

Where I think people over simplify things is that if you double someone, it will be easy to score. If that would the case, teams around the NBA would never double team, yet they do all the time. The #1 thing you can do to prevent double-teams is to roll out 5 threats on the court. We rarely, if ever have 5 guys on the court that can act as playmakers. Frankly, we often only have 2 or 3. In those cases, teams can double Dame, cover our playmakers, and force guys like Whiteside to get the ball at 18ft and make a decision.

Please draw up an offensive set that you think would get a quality look time in and time out. I would happily show you how I think most teams would defend it.

When you roll out a flawed roster, you're going to have flawed results.
 
It's a build/development/repair year.
I do feel bad for Dame since he is just off the charts good at the moment. Continue this type of play on a great team and he could be a fave for MVP. That is amazing but the problem is obvious.

I liked seeing Nas out there and he was everywhere on the court. Start him. Same for Simons...start him. Having Ant go up against a guy like Kyrie is exactly what he needs and he did pretty good.

yes I am sure these are dumb ideas but with this many injuries the choices are limited. Just get the young guys real minutes.
 
I wasn't going to say this, but the sense of, not a basketball team, is so strong, I must.

Last night probably was the worst game of basketball played by a Blazer team in my memory. Exception for some of stinkers of the Jail Blazer era non teams.
 
I wasn't going to say this, but the sense of, not a basketball team, is so strong, I must.

Last night probably was the worst game of basketball played by a Blazer team in my memory. Exception for some of stinkers of the Jail Blazer era non teams.
The worst Blazer ball I ever watched was the lockout season with Raymond Felton and Luke Babbitt ….dribbling off the foot was every other play and the highlight of most games was hoping Babbitt would get fans a chalupa after the game. Dame scoring 60 and almost winning a game we were not executing was actually pretty amazing to watch. Yeah....4 of our starters combined for 7 pts at halftime...that's not going to win games but with Lillard….you always have a shot
 
A shot at the team scoring record. Not much else.
Dame wasn't thinking about a title..he was trying to win a game he almost won....we just came up short behind a great effort by him.....if we were blown out it'd be different...losing that game wasn't even close to the worst Blazer ball I've watched and I don't have to go back to the Jail Blazers to reference one....our 29 win lockout season takes the cake in my view..considering Hood and Skal went down in this game it's amazing we didn't get blown out
 
Dame wasn't thinking about a title..he was trying to win a game he almost won....we just came up short behind a great effort by him.....if we were blown out it'd be different...losing that game wasn't even close to the worst Blazer ball I've watched and I don't have to go back to the Jail Blazers to reference one....our 29 win lockout season takes the cake in my view..considering Hood and Skal went down in this game it's amazing we didn't get blown out

It reminded me of Stoudamire going for 60 while the team looked on. Yes Lillard is more talented, but the results are the same.
I suppose to be charitable, I could say, it was a grand example of Lillardball.
 
It reminded me of Stoudamire going for 60 while the team looked on. Yes Lillard is more talented, but the results are the same.
I suppose to be charitable, I could say, it was a grand example of Lillardball.
I think the Jailblazer team was way more talented than the Caleb Kanales team and more fun to watch
 
I don't disagree with any part of what you said.

Where I think people over simplify things is that if you double someone, it will be easy to score. If that would the case, teams around the NBA would never double team, yet they do all the time. The #1 thing you can do to prevent double-teams is to roll out 5 threats on the court. We rarely, if ever have 5 guys on the court that can act as playmakers. Frankly, we often only have 2 or 3. In those cases, teams can double Dame, cover our playmakers, and force guys like Whiteside to get the ball at 18ft and make a decision.

Please draw up an offensive set that you think would get a quality look time in and time out. I would happily show you how I think most teams would defend it.

When you roll out a flawed roster, you're going to have flawed results.
There isn't one offensive set that works time in and time out. That's my point. We should have at least one play for each different defense we see. Instead when the defense gets tight we either score because of an iso situation or off pick and roll. What is there if those aren't working? It's the same thing we've seen against GS in the playoffs and against the Pelicans.

And if your answer is that double teams are effective then I ask you why our coach doesn't ever employ a double team on defense?

If you watch CJ off ball on defense, or Dame or Baze or just about anyone, they get caught sagging or with their back turned to their defender quite often which leads to a wide open shooter. Someone posted an example in this thread of CJ sagging off Kyrie for no reason leading to Kyrie hitting an uncontested 3. When CJ drives he often gets the defense in similar bad positions because everyone knows he's going to shoot. There are multiple passes he can make. The funny thing is if he made those passes consistently then he'd have more space when he does decide to shoot.

In my mind there is no excuse for someone with CJ's usage rate going 4-19 from the field without registering a single assist.
 
I've noticed that also. I hope the coaches have noticed and somehow make it easier for him to relax and do the right things.
About 15 minutes before the game, they showed the players standing in the tunnel outside of the locker room. Some players were already out there, one by one more came out, Dame was the last to arrive. Dame went around, and high fived everyone. Mario stood there with his hand up, waiting for a high five, for what seemed like a long time. To the point that it started to seem awkward, and I thought Dame might miss him. It seemed like Mario felt the same way because he opened, and closed his hand, like a toddler wave. Dame did get to him eventually.
 
Hood was out of the game. And has been injured 3 of the last four games. Out of 9 games this season.
CJ literally missed 8 wide open looks on his 19 shots. Seriously how is that the coaches fault? There is an old metric hardly ever used by stat guys but is widely used with players. "More points than shots". For CJ to have more points than shots he would have had to make 5 more shots if you throw a 3 pointer in there. Here is another thing. He makes just enough to give him an ok game and the Blazers win this going away. Here is another look. CJ shot exactly ZERO free throws. You absolutely cannot tell me with as many times as he drove to the basket he never got fouled. CJ got hammered three or four times and did not get a call. CJ is hitting free throws at 92% this year. Safe to say he shoots 8 free throws and he makes 7 of them.
Funny stat on CJ last night. He lead the team on the +- stat with +6. I hate that stat for this very reason.
As far as Bazemore goes? He is a 3 and D player. What are you looking for?

We can even take this one step further. 1M was on the court 36 mins. Great to see him getting some solid burn. But he also only shot 5-14 overall and 2-7 from 3pt. One more three and one more two and the Blazers win. Would you like me to address 2-9 for Mario or 4 of 10 for Hassan?

The 11 assists for the Blazers tells a story and it ain't that Stotts wasn't calling plays.
Yeah, my eyes were what told me instead.
 
2015 Blazers were 20th in the league that is then last type they werent basically the bottom.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/assists-per-game?date=2015-06-16
And that team had really unselfish wings with Wes and Nic plus RoLo never took a lot of shots.

One thing that could help this team out a lot, especially considering the personnel of the 2nd unit, is to play at a faster pace. Getting the ball up quicker often leads to a bit of chaos for the defense and people can get open easier.
 
And that team had really unselfish wings with Wes and Nic plus RoLo never took a lot of shots.

One thing that could help this team out a lot, especially considering the personnel of the 2nd unit, is to play at a faster pace. Getting the ball up quicker often leads to a bit of chaos for the defense and people can get open easier.
I think a lot of us said in the preseason that when the second unit was pushing the pace they looked good, in the half court they looked awful.
 
I think a lot of us said in the preseason that when the second unit was pushing the pace they looked good, in the half court they looked awful.
Where has that gone? Other than an occasional Hezonja play where he tries to be aggressive we aren't running at all.
 
Where has that gone? Other than an occasional Hezonja play where he tries to be aggressive we aren't running at all.
So I don't remember I think it was the clippers game, but Mario had a TO where he got a rebound and was looking to pass to the wing, it was either Simons or Bazemore I think, but they decided to turn away and he had a turnover that looked silly and embarrassing. I thought that displayed a lot of what's going on with the 2nd unit though. The best way to break is to pass, the ball will move faster than Mario can run his initial thought of pass it to the guy already running, made sense, but there was almost no cohesion there on if they should be pushing the ball or not. So he ends up with a TO everyone says what's wrong with that guy, but that's a matter of players not being on the same page, which sure may be partially on Mario but it seems to really point to a somewhat deeper problem, it seems like so far this year the team, in general, isn't on the same page. Makes you wonder at times what the focus was on during Camp, because offensively they're are guys who have been in the system and obviously sort of get it and a bunch of guys At least like 6 of them off the top of my head who seems to be not completely on the same page as to where they need to go.

I get there are injuries, and it's early but they seem so disjointed, Mario seems that way, but at times so Does, Simons, Whiteside, Skal, Bazemore, Tolliver they seem unsure of should we be pushing the pace should we slow down. There's been a bunch of times they're passing the ball around the perimeter and a guy just isn't where they believe they should be.

Then defensively they're a mess, feels like 10-15 times a quarter they're looking at each other like was that my assignment?

I think they and this includes Dame, made it to the WCF's, and said we have arrived, we don't need to do the process like we've been doing it. Dame acknowledged he wasn't going to do an SD trip to get people together outside of basketball he has done in the past. They all talked about oh this team was in the WCF's last year, the approach to this year seems to have forgotten that there is a lot that goes on to get people on the same page, and that starts at the top and ends at the bottom, that's a management/coaching issue. You never heard SAS say well we made it to WCF's, or the Finals we don't need to go about the same process we did last year, you never heard GS do that, or Lebron, and yes all those teams / players were great, but the Blazers have said there a Championship team, that in their minds it's kind of "Championship or bust", but they seem to think just making the WCF's last year proved something for this year, and it didn't.

I believe Dame is a great leader and a great player, and that he can will this team to a bunch of wins, but it looks like they're just in the last week realizing oh we need to be on the same page defensively and offensively and so a process that should have started a month ago, seems like it's being started a little late, and is becoming even more complex the more injuries and young players are being thrown into the mix.

Sorry for this soliloquy, just kind of vomitting out thoughts on the season so far.
 
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The LSU head coach in the post game interview sounded like the defensive coordinator in the Water Boy.

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Where has that gone? Other than an occasional Hezonja play where he tries to be aggressive we aren't running at all.

in order to run, you need opportunity. Portland ranks 27th in defensive rebounding (9th last season), and 26th in opponent turnover rate. Hard to run when they are taking the ball out of the net
 
in order to run, you need opportunity. Portland ranks 27th in defensive rebounding (9th last season), and 26th in opponent turnover rate. Hard to run when they are taking the ball out of the net
While true, they rarely ran when rebounding was good either.
 
Huh? Weren't the Blazers one of the last in assists last season?
What did they rank?
We all know Amino and Harkless couldn’t shoot. Turner wasn’t going to make a huge impact. So what exactly is your point here? Other than making mine for me?
 
Yeah, my eyes were what told me instead.
Then your eyes watched exactly what I just wrote. When open catch and shoot shots don’t fall then assists stay low. It’s not rocket science.
Getting open looks is all a coach can ask for. The players still have to make the shot.
 
What did they rank?
We all know Amino and Harkless couldn’t shoot. Turner wasn’t going to make a huge impact. So what exactly is your point here? Other than making mine for me?

You don't need to shoot well to get assists. Go look at the teams who finished ahead of us. They shot percentages far lower than us as a team. You're assigning your own made up version of why we don't get assists. I would say it's probably at least a part of it but not the entire problem. Stotts has a bullshit offense. If he was smart, he'd run the entire offense through Nurk. It's happened in games before and we've looked like a completely different team. A MUCH better team. I know Nurk's not there now but do you doubt any different? Watching the Blazers is such rat ball. It's just not good basketball. I can see it. And it's mostly the game plan. Having guards go one on one most possessions. It's coincidental that both Dame and D. Russell had 5o+ point nights and they both lost.

You said that having only 11 assists wasn't part of Stotts' plan and I'm telling you that our assists have been historically low under Terry Stotts. How did that make your point? The coach is most responsible for the ball movement. It's his game plan. If the players (CJ) aren't executing than he's both responsible for that as well as not doing more to change it. Seeing how low our assists have been historically, this IS Terry Stotts' game plan and it's a terrible one.
 
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Then your eyes watched exactly what I just wrote. When open catch and shoot shots don’t fall then assists stay low. It’s not rocket science.
Getting open looks is all a coach can ask for. The players still have to make the shot.
If we're not making certain shots, we should keep shooting a ton of them huh?
 
If we're not making certain shots, we should keep shooting a ton of them huh?
Little doesnt think so, which is why he cut baseline on Whitesides short roll and got a dunk. Wish other guys would do that, but these "non-shooters" keep spotting up and somehow thats used an excuse for the coach... some people will be able to connect the dots here.
 
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